Singhi Kaya

True ... we need preachers. Secluded cave yogis have not helped.

You got it right man. Guru's are indeed teachers. Not all guru's are seers (I think 1 or 2 comes in a thousand years or more who are seers) though they inherit the path to attain knowledge. We need to sit humbly at their feet and acquire all there is to know about yoga and sadhana. Strictky within the boundaries of sadhna a Guru is God. Beyond that we should not sacrifice our rationality, our knowledge and experience and above all teachings of the vedas and lord krishna. Anyone who has truely followed what our avatars did and tought, should not have a doubt that we need to kick Islam's butt urgently. That hardly any guru had the courage to speak this clearly (I must say some did) only shows why we are not in the glorious years of ramrajjya but captive and injured in our own land.

Hari Om Done

You are a new hindu Apep, Vayuputra's views are somewhat older-the idea sarba dharma samanaya which became popular in the last century is still the most popular understanding of religions among hindus. No wonder christians have made huge progress with conversions in history of independent India than they had ever before. Signs of death you are seeing!

You mean spirituality as a business? Guru business? NO Should have used a bigger font. I know scores of so called hindu's do it. They are one of the big enemies to our dharma. Dharma, Artha, Kama and Mokksha are all different. Lets preserve this sanctity.

If you had any idea about yogic reasons for rituals you will know that both posters you are referring 2 are somewhat correct. It may need more explanation, but it's better to keep quite rather than making too much mental generalizations on these very scientific rituals. Those who have never practiced the rituals and intellectualize about our philosphy have done more harm than who blindly follow it. For the general public red dot should be enough as a cultural statement. For those who want to know more practice yoga and rituals. Our customs is not the reason for our downfall - it's lack of idea of the political dharma (aka Rajniti) that's the reason.

Firstly, thanks to Kalkin for posting the article on Anatta. My little experience with buddhists have convinced me that they will bring the concept of non-self=no self as means of proving buddhism is something entirely different than hinduism. It's a little funny, as what is self or non-self is beyond mind - the place of dependent origination. So quite beyond argument. It is sad, that except for this quite abstract concept, we share so much in common we still keep arguing we are different. Dharma is for living, not for dry intellectual discourse which goes nowhere. On many key aspects of dharma hindu and buddhists have a similar view. On spiritual quest we both belive that mind is the place of bondage and we both meditate to still the mind - quite irrelevant then to argue what lies beyond.

Let me first point out that the 2 slokas dosen't say meat eating is sin. They say something quite different. First one say's that those who eat food which has been first sacrificed in the yajna are liberated from all "sins", those who only prepare food for personal consumtion only are consuming sin. 2nd sloka is not at all related to food habits. Now can you present a case why vegetarianism is not killing? You are not going to argue the plants are non-living, I hope. Gita and Hindu/vedic philosphy is much more rich and profound than abrahamic concept of rules of God. In this world consumption is the way creation process works. One being consumes the other, one thought consumes another (in our mind). One strong and true doctrine often consumes the weak and false ones. To realize that this is the way of the world, yet I'm not this, is the goal. Eating animal is 100% sinless, unless you torture the animal for pleasure. As I have said, vegetarianism has to do with sattvic qualities in veg diet. Nothing else. Non-Violence (ahimsa = absence of himsha/in mind) <> Non-Killing. If you really follow later without a pinch of hypocracy, you will be dead - right now!!! Just my understanding.

I was born a brahmin and I have always ate meat. In my region (eastern <st1:country-region><st1:place>India</st1:place></st1:country-region>) meat eating is accepted even in brahmins. Food habits are determined by the geo-physical location of the individual. Some areas' veg diets are not easily found. There is absolutely nothing to do with vegetarianism and non-violence. This extreme position is only there in few cults and may have to do more with Jainism and Buddhism. Those who think non-violence implies vegetarianism have neither understood non-violence nor vegetarianism. I don't intend to indulge into arguments on this, but concept of non-violence is much more profound than jainist/buddhist non-killing - after all lord krishna inspired arjuna to slay his cousins!!! Vegetables are living beings too and eating them is killing as well.. Shakta’s sacrifice various animals in rituals – before consuming them. So eat what is more naturally available at your place. Vegetarian diet is more full of sattvic qualities helpful in a spiritual life. Meat is Rajasik or Tamasic depending on how it is prepared. That’s the only reason Veg diet is preferred, and it may not be suitable and possible for all. But please abstain from eating beef, if you plan to become a Hindu. There’s no alternative there.

Evil is an abrahamic concept. Their is no evil in Hinduism - we have Asurik development. Chapter 16, Gita is the place to look for the characteristics of the Asurik mind. In one word it's the ego and self determinism that's the evil. Don't go too much into dry dualism , non-dualism arguments, they have cost the hindu society dearly. Focus needs to be on what is dharma and what is not. Wha's our goal in life and what's not. Abrahamic concepts of good and evil etc are imaginary concepts with no basis in our body, mind or higher realms of consciousness - except in blind faith, which is ignorance. And based on this ego and ignorance the evangelist's and jehadis have destroyed in past 2000 years many good things and cultures from this beautiful earth. They claim to have assured themselves place in a heaven after 1 birth, but that doesn't stop them to treat mother earth as their personal property. This exact behavior is termed as Asurik. Hindu’s believe they will be born again and again on this planet till liberation or maha pralay. But we are told at the same time to free ourselves from worldly bondages. We come here many times but we don’t treat her like our property. Quite a contrast!!

It's not just a cultural invasion, its a full fledged demographic invasion with aim of making India an Islamic country. It is not new, started almost one thousand year's back when muslims arrived at the northwest frontier of then bharatvarsha (now Afghanistan). Since then their march has been slow and steady. From 0% they are now more than 30% of the Indian subcontinent. They have 3 Islamic countries surrounding the divided and "secular" India. Hindu's for past thousand years, after loosing a 3rd of their brothers, have not yet realized the fact that days of hindu culture on the face of the earth is really numbered. We are now in the worst and final phase of this massive aggression where secular hindu's have taken up the battle for islam against hinduism. Muslims don't need to do much these days, except bomb occasionally here and there and issue fatwa's in places where they are majority (I'm talking about secular India, not Pak or bang) - the secular hindu's (who I'm sure will be muslims on re-birth, if they have that opportunity) have been doing the rest for past 60 years. You may do some search on hindu websites for more scholarly articles. You may devote sometime to study of koran and islam, and find out that they are not supposed to stop killing until the world is muslim. But the main question remains - what you gonna do? For all the misinterpretations of the hindu scriptures (the greatest personality that was ever born on earth, who inspired the mighty warrior to slay his own family - as revenge of injustice/ashurik is the greatest dharma, has since become playmate to gopis and bhaktas) that have gone around for even a longer period of time than muslims have been here - it's not possible for most hindu's to realize that it's time to fight or die. But I believe in 2 mantras now: - 1. We will eradicate the world from islam and radical xian’ity 2. Our victory is certain as we are with the dharma. May Dharma be triumphant again. Hari Om