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Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
This is interesting news that Premananda has become a Sri Vaishnava and is planning to become a disciple of His Holiness Sri Varada Yathiraja Jeer I have many friends who are disciples of Sri Varada Yathiraja Jeer, and I know he is always giving them good guidance and inspiration. Hare Krishna! -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
This is interesting news that Premananda has become a Sri Vaishnava and is planning to become a disciple of His Holiness Sri Varada Yathiraja Jeer I have many friends who are disciples of Sri Varada Yathiraja Jeer, and I know he is always giving them good guidance and inspiration. Hare Krishna! -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Yes, Madhava, it was Rupa Kaviraj. Do you have any info where I can get more details of that? I have read something Sripad Narasingha Maharaj wrote about Rupa Kaviraj, but don't know much. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Yes, Madhava, it was Rupa Kaviraj. Do you have any info where I can get more details of that? I have read something Sripad Narasingha Maharaj wrote about Rupa Kaviraj, but don't know much. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Ha Ha! Yes, they sometimes do lots of barking and biting! And I think I will be a dog next time too! Our Srila Govinda Maharaj has always had many dogs for pets, since he was a child. One of the dogs, Jimmy, was my friend. Then one day Jimmy walked up onto the main platform where the pujari stands right in front of the deities, and some devotees went across to chase him away. Jimmy just stretched out and did full dandabats, then he walked slowly away and down the steps. He walked a little distance further, then he laid down and died. Ketu, another dog, died while fighting a big cobra and protecting devotees at the Math in Nabadwip. They built a samadhi for him on the bank of the Kunda in front of the temple. I am also one of Govinda Maharaj's dogs. Srila Yajabar Maharaj cursed Srila Govinda Maharaj because his dogs were always barking. Yajabar Maharaj said, "All your dogs will die young". But I am nearly 50 years old now. How strange, the curse hasn't killed me yet. Maybe I'm not really one of Govinda Maharaj's dogs, just a dog in the street. Murli -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Ha Ha! Yes, they sometimes do lots of barking and biting! And I think I will be a dog next time too! Our Srila Govinda Maharaj has always had many dogs for pets, since he was a child. One of the dogs, Jimmy, was my friend. Then one day Jimmy walked up onto the main platform where the pujari stands right in front of the deities, and some devotees went across to chase him away. Jimmy just stretched out and did full dandabats, then he walked slowly away and down the steps. He walked a little distance further, then he laid down and died. Ketu, another dog, died while fighting a big cobra and protecting devotees at the Math in Nabadwip. They built a samadhi for him on the bank of the Kunda in front of the temple. I am also one of Govinda Maharaj's dogs. Srila Yajabar Maharaj cursed Srila Govinda Maharaj because his dogs were always barking. Yajabar Maharaj said, "All your dogs will die young". But I am nearly 50 years old now. How strange, the curse hasn't killed me yet. Maybe I'm not really one of Govinda Maharaj's dogs, just a dog in the street. Murli -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Madhava, You presented this quote of Radharaman Charan Das Babaji: "Gadadhara Prabhu used to put on gopi-vesh." I do not find any reference to this anywhere. Do you know of any references? I have my doubts about whether this statement is true. Sri Gadadhar Pandit took kshetra sannyasa and lived in Puri with the Lord. Presumably, he wore the red cloth of a sannyasi as was worn by Mahaprabhu himself. All these other associates of the Lord were also red cloth sannyasis: Swarup Damodar Goswami, Paramananda Puri, Ranga Puri, Visnu Puri, Brahmananda Bharati, Kesava Puri, Govinda Puri, Sukhananda Puri, Brahmananda Puri, Nrsingha Puri, Nrsingha Tirtha. Mahaprabhu’s own diksa-guru Sripada Isvara Puri Gosvami was a red cloth sannyasi. Also, what is the origin of the Babaji tradition? Didn't the word babaji originally mean "uncle", or honourable uncle. Wasn't the development of the Babaji tradition an innovation during the seventeenth and eithteenth century? Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Madhava, You presented this quote of Radharaman Charan Das Babaji: "Gadadhara Prabhu used to put on gopi-vesh." I do not find any reference to this anywhere. Do you know of any references? I have my doubts about whether this statement is true. Sri Gadadhar Pandit took kshetra sannyasa and lived in Puri with the Lord. Presumably, he wore the red cloth of a sannyasi as was worn by Mahaprabhu himself. All these other associates of the Lord were also red cloth sannyasis: Swarup Damodar Goswami, Paramananda Puri, Ranga Puri, Visnu Puri, Brahmananda Bharati, Kesava Puri, Govinda Puri, Sukhananda Puri, Brahmananda Puri, Nrsingha Puri, Nrsingha Tirtha. Mahaprabhu’s own diksa-guru Sripada Isvara Puri Gosvami was a red cloth sannyasi. Also, what is the origin of the Babaji tradition? Didn't the word babaji originally mean "uncle", or honourable uncle. Wasn't the development of the Babaji tradition an innovation during the seventeenth and eithteenth century? Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Thank you for the information about Totaramadas Babaji Is there any information about his Guru? I do agree with your conclusions regarding the fact that Totaramadas Babaji Maharaj simply says he doesn't associate with them. I don't know where or when he wrote this verse, but it is listed in various books of the Gaudiya Math, so whatever its origins it was taken as a valid list of apasampradayas by Srila Saraswati Thakur and his disciples. Murli -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Thank you for the information about Totaramadas Babaji Is there any information about his Guru? I do agree with your conclusions regarding the fact that Totaramadas Babaji Maharaj simply says he doesn't associate with them. I don't know where or when he wrote this verse, but it is listed in various books of the Gaudiya Math, so whatever its origins it was taken as a valid list of apasampradayas by Srila Saraswati Thakur and his disciples. Murli -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Yes, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur said, "No book is without its errors", in his Bhagavat Lecture. Something has just occurred to me. If this book about the Baghna para brahmanas is the source of the story that Bipin Bihari Goswami cut his connection with Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, maybe someone such as Premananda will just deny that this book is authentic, and try to assert that there is an unbroken diksa parampara from Bipin Bihari Goswami to Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur to Lalit Prashad. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Yes, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur said, "No book is without its errors", in his Bhagavat Lecture. Something has just occurred to me. If this book about the Baghna para brahmanas is the source of the story that Bipin Bihari Goswami cut his connection with Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur, maybe someone such as Premananda will just deny that this book is authentic, and try to assert that there is an unbroken diksa parampara from Bipin Bihari Goswami to Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur to Lalit Prashad. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Yes if Bipin Bihari had passed away in 1919 then how could he have been the person who there was trouble with at Radhakunda. My Guru Maharaj was there, and he has spoken many times about events there. Not just this issue regarding Das Goswami, but other things. There is no doubt that some proud caste-Goswami did make that claim about Srila Raghunatha Das Goswami, as the entire parikrama group began fasting and did not stop until that gentleman offered a retraction for what he had said. My Guru Maharaj said it was "Bipin Bihari" and when Narasingha Maharaj wrote that article he was directly quoting my Guru Maharaj, so Narasingha Maharaj was not at fault. By the way, we are not followers of the doctrine that "Sri Guru is Omniscient". It doens't bother or surprise me that Guru Maharaj may have made some sort of miscalculation when, at the age of 87, he was speaking about events that happened 50 years earlier. I spent a lot of time with my Guru Maharaj and I saw him being forgetful at times. Indeed, just a few days before he passed away I was with him, and someone said, "here is Muralidhar from Australia", to which Guru Maharaj replied, "where is Australia", and "who is Muralidhar". But then I realized that he was now forgetful of the world of mundane experiences, and deeply absorbed in the child-like mood of an innocent soul. I have written about 20 pages of information about this consideration in the article I have been writing. Guru Maharaj was present at Radhakunda, and he saw the resolution to that conflict with the proud brahmana. He identified the man as Bipin Bihari, and we have no doubt that someone of Bipin Bihari's community had said that. I will explore this matter more deeply. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Yes if Bipin Bihari had passed away in 1919 then how could he have been the person who there was trouble with at Radhakunda. My Guru Maharaj was there, and he has spoken many times about events there. Not just this issue regarding Das Goswami, but other things. There is no doubt that some proud caste-Goswami did make that claim about Srila Raghunatha Das Goswami, as the entire parikrama group began fasting and did not stop until that gentleman offered a retraction for what he had said. My Guru Maharaj said it was "Bipin Bihari" and when Narasingha Maharaj wrote that article he was directly quoting my Guru Maharaj, so Narasingha Maharaj was not at fault. By the way, we are not followers of the doctrine that "Sri Guru is Omniscient". It doens't bother or surprise me that Guru Maharaj may have made some sort of miscalculation when, at the age of 87, he was speaking about events that happened 50 years earlier. I spent a lot of time with my Guru Maharaj and I saw him being forgetful at times. Indeed, just a few days before he passed away I was with him, and someone said, "here is Muralidhar from Australia", to which Guru Maharaj replied, "where is Australia", and "who is Muralidhar". But then I realized that he was now forgetful of the world of mundane experiences, and deeply absorbed in the child-like mood of an innocent soul. I have written about 20 pages of information about this consideration in the article I have been writing. Guru Maharaj was present at Radhakunda, and he saw the resolution to that conflict with the proud brahmana. He identified the man as Bipin Bihari, and we have no doubt that someone of Bipin Bihari's community had said that. I will explore this matter more deeply. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
If it is true that Nitai has written this, Nitai should publicly say that he was wrong to say the things he wrote against Srila Saraswati Thakur. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
If it is true that Nitai has written this, Nitai should publicly say that he was wrong to say the things he wrote against Srila Saraswati Thakur. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
These details about sakhi-vesh and Jagannathadeva etc. are interesting. Thanks Also, do you have any details about Sri Totaramadas Babaji who wrote that famous verse listing the 13 "sahajiya" sampradayas: aula, baula, kartabhaja, neda, daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibeki, smarta, jata-gosani ativadi, cudadhari, gauranga-nagari tato kahe, ei terara sanga nahi kari ... Anyway, on another note. I have completed about 70 pages of that paper I am writing, which is an anthology of quotes of the Acharyas and quotes from different scriptures regarding Sri Guru Parampara. This is about half the content that the article will contain, I believe. I intend to have it completed within three weeks, and to print and publish it and present it to Srila Govinda Maharaj on the occasion of His Vyasa Puja on 21 December. I can send you a copy of what I have done so far, but still it is under review at the moment. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
These details about sakhi-vesh and Jagannathadeva etc. are interesting. Thanks Also, do you have any details about Sri Totaramadas Babaji who wrote that famous verse listing the 13 "sahajiya" sampradayas: aula, baula, kartabhaja, neda, daravesa, sani sahajiya, sakhibeki, smarta, jata-gosani ativadi, cudadhari, gauranga-nagari tato kahe, ei terara sanga nahi kari ... Anyway, on another note. I have completed about 70 pages of that paper I am writing, which is an anthology of quotes of the Acharyas and quotes from different scriptures regarding Sri Guru Parampara. This is about half the content that the article will contain, I believe. I intend to have it completed within three weeks, and to print and publish it and present it to Srila Govinda Maharaj on the occasion of His Vyasa Puja on 21 December. I can send you a copy of what I have done so far, but still it is under review at the moment. -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Madhava, What is the reference source which says that Bipin Bihari Goswami was not supporting the Smartas-Caste Goswamis at the meeting in Medinapore. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that it is true Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur separated himself from Bipin Bihari Goswami in regard to the debate over Brahmanas and Vaishnavas. What I am really looking for, is the name of the person, the representative of Bipin Bihari Goswami, who Saraswati Thakur had the dispute with at Radhakunda in 1932. I have heard a name, of some zamindari, but I don't know any details of his background. Evidently he was close to Bipin Bihari Goswami and I believe he must have been speaking the ideas of Bipin Bihari Goswami, since my own Guru Maharaja who was present there at Radhakunda in 1932 has said that it was Bipin Bihari Goswami himself who they were in conflict with over that issues of whether the brahmanas can offer blessings to Srila Das Goswami. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Madhava, What is the reference source which says that Bipin Bihari Goswami was not supporting the Smartas-Caste Goswamis at the meeting in Medinapore. It is becoming increasingly clear to me that it is true Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur separated himself from Bipin Bihari Goswami in regard to the debate over Brahmanas and Vaishnavas. What I am really looking for, is the name of the person, the representative of Bipin Bihari Goswami, who Saraswati Thakur had the dispute with at Radhakunda in 1932. I have heard a name, of some zamindari, but I don't know any details of his background. Evidently he was close to Bipin Bihari Goswami and I believe he must have been speaking the ideas of Bipin Bihari Goswami, since my own Guru Maharaja who was present there at Radhakunda in 1932 has said that it was Bipin Bihari Goswami himself who they were in conflict with over that issues of whether the brahmanas can offer blessings to Srila Das Goswami. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Madhava, Am I reading this correctly: "That connection was broken off by Bimalprasad and it says that he took diksa from Gaur Kisora." Does it really say in that book that Srila Saraswati Thakur took Diksa from Srila Gaurkishore Babaji? If this is so, I would really like to see the exact quote. I don't think Bhaktarupa Prabhu has a copy of that book. I asked him about it. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Madhava, Am I reading this correctly: "That connection was broken off by Bimalprasad and it says that he took diksa from Gaur Kisora." Does it really say in that book that Srila Saraswati Thakur took Diksa from Srila Gaurkishore Babaji? If this is so, I would really like to see the exact quote. I don't think Bhaktarupa Prabhu has a copy of that book. I asked him about it. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in Spiritual Discussions
Madhava, Who is this Barha Baba? Also, when was this meeting supposed to have happened. We know that prior to his receiving Diksa from Srila Gaurkishore Babaji in 1901, Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami came into conflict with the persons following the sakhi-bekhi practices in Puri. Also, what evidence is there that Gadadhara Prabhu used to put on gopi-vesh? I seem to remember there was a play at that home of Chandhrasekhara Acharya, and some devotees played different roles in that drama. I can't remember the details. But when he was practicing his devotion in Puri, Gadadhara Pandit wore the dress of a renunciate. Maybe a sannyasi. I will check. Also, in case you are interested, a sannyasi friend in South India has just emailed me to advise me that they have consulted with some Acharyas of the Madva Sampradaya and have been advised that in the Madva Maths the mantra "Klim Krishnaya Govindaya Gopijanaballabhaya Swaha" is given to disciples when they are initiated. On another point, have you been able to find any direct evidence showing that Bipin Bihari Goswami was not a member of the Goswami/Smarta group who opposed Srila Saraswati Thakur in the meeting at Midnapore in 1911? You quoted from that book about the Baghnapara Brahmanas, but can someone provide the direct quotes and references. My sources tell me that Bipin Bihari Goswami was a member of the group opposing Srila Saraswati Thakur and Sripad Visvambharadevananda Goswami. Murali -
Establishing Deities at the Yogapitha (by Bhaktivinode)
muralidhar replied to a topic in The Hinduism Forum
Madhava, Who is this Barha Baba? Also, when was this meeting supposed to have happened. We know that prior to his receiving Diksa from Srila Gaurkishore Babaji in 1901, Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami came into conflict with the persons following the sakhi-bekhi practices in Puri. Also, what evidence is there that Gadadhara Prabhu used to put on gopi-vesh? I seem to remember there was a play at that home of Chandhrasekhara Acharya, and some devotees played different roles in that drama. I can't remember the details. But when he was practicing his devotion in Puri, Gadadhara Pandit wore the dress of a renunciate. Maybe a sannyasi. I will check. Also, in case you are interested, a sannyasi friend in South India has just emailed me to advise me that they have consulted with some Acharyas of the Madva Sampradaya and have been advised that in the Madva Maths the mantra "Klim Krishnaya Govindaya Gopijanaballabhaya Swaha" is given to disciples when they are initiated. On another point, have you been able to find any direct evidence showing that Bipin Bihari Goswami was not a member of the Goswami/Smarta group who opposed Srila Saraswati Thakur in the meeting at Midnapore in 1911? You quoted from that book about the Baghnapara Brahmanas, but can someone provide the direct quotes and references. My sources tell me that Bipin Bihari Goswami was a member of the group opposing Srila Saraswati Thakur and Sripad Visvambharadevananda Goswami. Murali -
Thank you for the link