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  1. "Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear."


    I believe Iskcon has become one of these "varieties of religion" so I abandoned it years ago. Maybe Mataji should do the same.


    Iskcon has a bad habit of banning people. Maybe I should ban Iskcon:ponder:....Wait I already have banned it from my life.


    Like I've said before, bhakti is independent of organisations. The sooner devotees realise this the better it will be for them.


    Maybe we should draw up a list of people banned by Iskcon, and the reasons they were/are banned.


    I think the first group to be banned were Srila BR Sridhara Maharaja followers in 1977...Why? Politics!!!

  2. I asked my guru these questions:


    Guruji which should I buy a PC or mac?


    Guruji Should I shop at Wal-mart?


    Guruji should I drive an american car or a japanese car?


    Guruji which hairsyle shoiuld I wear?


    Guruji should I get a job to support my wife and kids?


    Guruji should I go to college?


    Guruji should I breathe?


    Guruji should drink water?


    Guruji what other questions should I ask?


    Guruji should I be loyal to your organisation?


    Guruji is Santa Claus real?


    Guruji should I vote democrat or republican?




    I know Sivarama Swami personally and have lived in close quarters with him for some time.

    I have nothing but the greatest respect for Sripad Sivarama Swami.

    I think his views and statements on the issue are practical, logical and well thought out.


    Sivarama Swami is one of the few ISKCON Swamis that I hold in very high esteem.


    If you don't know him personally, I would say be careful to judge.

    In my experience he is one of the most sober and serious Vaishnavas I have ever known.


    Hey.. Guruvani check this out:




    Also his Krishna lila books are not his own realisations but what he heard from Srila Narayana Maharaja.


    Sivaramas' like the rest of them....dishonest

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    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid" bgColor=#e0e0e0>Originally Posted by Guruvani

    I am done with it.

    I am not the disciple of anyone anymore.

    I am not a Hare Krishna devotee either.

    I am none of the above.




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    I'm not a Hare krishna devotee either as for most people a Hare Krishna is a member of Iskcon. Iskcon is not important to me and never will be.


    I'm done with organisations since they can't give you bhakti.


    I'm not a disciple of GBC career gurus, or "celeb" gurus. I'm also not a disciple of the Guru followed by some of my fanatical godbrothers and god sisters as their "Guru" is a fantasy superman character.


    When I hear their childish rants and raves about my guru I wonder if they are really talking about the guru that I'm following.


    Bhakti is a personal experience and not an organisational experience.


    I'm a person and will not label myself as anything other than that.

  5. Are some devotees turning Srila Prabhupada into a mytical character? We now have 3rd and 4th generation devotees talking about Srila Prabhupada in ways that seem to me to be reaching mytical status.


    Srila Prabhupada the person as experienced by those who met him is being eclipsed by the Prabhupada of faith. The Prabhupada of faith has many versions: The Iskcon GBC version, several Ritvik versions, several GM versions, the sleepervadi version....

  6. I recall, 14 years ago Tribhuvanath Prabhu giving us a slide show at a devotee's house in Ireland. He talked about his time with Srila Prabhupada. One story he told shocked me.


    Tribhuvanath Prabhu had opened a temple or centre in Edinburgh and when Srila Prabhupada heard about it Srila Prabhupada was very pleased as he had learn English from missionaries from Edinburgh. Tamal Krishna was not too happy and tried to get the temple closed without much success.


    Soon after Tribhuvanath recieved a letter from Srila Prabhupada ordering him to meet Srila Prabhupada in Bombay immediately. So Srila Tribhuvanath prabhu jumped on a plane and flew to India. When he arrived Srila Prabhupada was surprised toi see him there and asked Tribhuvanath why he was in Bombay. Tribhuvanath told His Divine Grace that he was there because His Divine Grace had ordered him to come. Srila Prabhupada said to Tribhuvantha that no such letter had been written by him!


    While Tribhuvanath was in Bombay, the Edinburgh centre was closed down by.....guess who?


    This has left me with the following thought. How many letters from Srila Prabhupada were not actually from Srila Prabhupada? And do these letters get quoted when devotees use the infamous..."Srila Prabhupada says...."

  7. I never thought I'd see the day Gurvani would praise Srila Narayana, but word of warning to him and others...the problems that Iskcon went through will be repeated in Srila Narayana Maharaja's sanga as the seeds have been planted by dishonest "devotees" who are jockying for positions within that sanga.


    I see several high profile devotees within the sanga readying themselves for the prize of "guruship". There is alot of politics at "managment" level which reminds me of early GBC politics. I speak as a former insider....


    Srila Narayana Mahraja is bona fide, but the organisation? Funny, how history often repeats itself.....


    By the GBC Executive Committee, September 17, 2007

    The GBC Executive Committee, after much deliberation and consultation, has no alternative but to sadly report the deviations of and the abuses to devotees carried out by Balabhadra dasa (ACBSP), previously known as Bhakti Balabh Puri Goswami.

    Notwithstanding his fall-downs the GBC offered Balabhadra Prabhu shelter and guidance provided he work under their guidance, absorbing himself in sadhana. Unfortunately he has recently defied this agreement, the guidance of his friends, the direction of GBC members and the authority of this Society, thus in effect leaving ISKCON and acting independently. Therefore, as he has plans to continue some independent form of “preaching” and collections, we have no option but to inform the devotees of his deviations. What follows is a brief history of Balabhadra dasa’s disturbing behaviour, behaviour which led to his stepping down from guruship, sannyasa and finally membership of ISKCON.


    Report on Balabhadra dasa, formerly Bhakti Balabh Puri Goswami

    This report was compiled for the GBC by the committee dealing with this case, Sivarama Swami, BB Govinda Swami and Praghosa dasa and has been approved by the GBC Executive Committee. It has been reproduced here in full, and thus may contain more information than expected from a general article.


    Balabhadra dasa was always eccentric and even in the early 80’s showed a penchant for cars, cameras and handling money. However his wife, his godbrothers, and his own strong spiritual practices, namely sadhana and deity worship, generally kept his eccentricity and indulgences to a tolerable level. Otherwise he was known as a good preacher, inspirational sankirtana leader, and a caring devotee.

    The death of his wife seemed to be a visible turning point in his life. His sadhana deteriorated, his bodily weight increased and he became increasingly involved in the lives of his female disciples, despite his having entered the renounced order. There was a “special” relationship with one female disciple, who was the person with whom he later, repeatedly fell down. Balabhadra dasa’s distancing Sivarama Swami from Scotland and the latter’s eventual resignation as GBC for the UK left Balabhadra dasa more or less unsupervised and uncontrolled. Although the exact chronology of events is not perfectly represented above, it does give a cursory indication of Balabhadra dasa’s decline over time.

    Findings of the Working Committee

    Over three years ago Balabhadra dasa’s sexual abuse of his female disciple came to light and in investigating that abuse, a Pandora’s box of equally serious deviations gradually came to light, all of which were made known to the GBC Executive. The committee working with Balabhdara dasa first removed him from all positions of authority and suspended his guruship, later they restricted him to residence in Vrndavana and finally negotiated with him his retirement from active service. The conclusion of the three years discussions and consultation was a final meeting in Scotland, the results of which are recorded later in this report.

    Years of investigations and meetings with Balabhadra and his disciples revealed Balabhadra’s degradation into a disoriented person who could in no way be considered fit for a position of authority in this movement, what to speak of spiritual leadership. This assessment is shared by all the senior devotees in Scotland and substantiated by many practical examples, only some of which are cited below. (He was sent to a professional psychiatrist for six weeks, however he blocked us from obtaining the results of the analyst’s report.)

    To disciples and later to the committee dealing with him Balabhadra dasa has admitted that he thought of himself as a personal associate of Lord Caitanya and/or Krsna. In addition, his conception of guru was one in which he was the proprietor of his disciples, of ISKCON’s assets and especially of ISKCON Scotland’s monies. And because a guru, he thought, takes the karma of his disciples he deemed that he was above Srila Prabhupada’s order to co-operate with the GBC secretary and the GBC body.

    Balabhadra would become physically abusive to disciples, sometimes violently hitting and kicking them, even to the extent of drawing blood. In the name of ‘helping’ two female disciples he performed many explicit sexual and voyeuristic acts by exploiting the obedience of his female disciples. Considering himself proprietor of the Society’s funds Balabhadra wasted money by the frivolous purchase of, amongst other things, expensive cars, motor-homes, cameras and dozens of guitars.

    His dealings with disciples were contradictory, duplicitous, manipulative, intimidating and abusive. To his disciples he openly criticized senior devotees, sannyasis and friends, both in private and in public classes and lengthy istaghostis.

    Despite all these obvious deviations, to date, at the repeated request of those who have been trying to assist him he has not, and by his own admission cannot, document the reasons leading to his gross deviations. He is unable to understand the severity of his transgressions, or the reactions of those in knowledge of them. He still believes his good motivations overshadow any faulty methodology.

    Preliminary Recommendations

    While there are many other symptoms and examples of Balabhadra’s deviation, the words above do not do full justice in portraying the hurt devotees have suffered at his hands. Our society must be clear that such abuse will not be tolerated, especially from gurus, those who are meant to show the ideal example of the humble Vaisnava.

    Therefore the working committee considered it inappropriate that our Society allow him to continue as a spiritual master or sannyasi, invest in him any managerial or spiritual responsibility, or put him in a position of trust. Having seen how he has abused the trust placed in him by the Society, the devotees, and his disciples; having seen how grievous his conduct and deeds were, the committee was convinced that Balabhadra dasa could no longer be put forward as a representative of this society in any capacity.

    August Meeting in Scotland

    With these conclusions in mind the working committee along with six senior devotees of the Scottish yatra sat with Balabhadra dasa to work out an agreement. It was accepted that if Balabhadra dasa continues to work under ISKCON authority, then his basic needs would be looked after by the Scottish yatra. The desire to look after Balabhadra dasa was in recognition of the years of dedicated service he performed prior to his problems arising and the heartfelt appreciation of the Scottish devotees for the help he had given them. In every meeting with Balabhadra dasa over the years, including at this final meeting, his great services and good intentions were always acknowledged. Yet those could not negate his offenses.

    After two full days of discussion the following mutual agreement was reached with Balabhadra dasa:

    o The Scottish Yatra would support Balabhadra with a monthly allowance and give him the permanent use of an apartment in Sridhama Mayapura, where he was to move. In addition Scotland would cover budgeted travel, medical and miscellaneous expenses. o Balabhadra dasa agreed to step down both as a guru and as a sannyasi o Balabhadra dasa would serve under the guidance of Sivarama Swami, BB Govinda Swami and Praghosa dasa, until further notice, staying at Kusum Sarovara and as soon as the necessary arrangements are made, move to Mayapur where he will be under the supervision of a senior vaisnava o Balabhadra dasa would only travel by prior agreement o Balabhadra dasa agreed to undergo further counseling as soon as it could be arranged.

    Even during the meeting Balabhadra dasa gave up his sannyasa cloth and we continued amicably calling him Balabhadra Prabhu rather than Puri Maharaja. At the conclusion of the meeting Balabhadra dasa departed from Scotland and everyone appeared satisfied with the above agreement, especially since all the points were mutually agreed upon without much ado.

    The Scottish Devotees

    Until this year, the only devotee in Scotland aware of all the deviations and subsequent restrictions on Balabhadra dasa was the temple president, Prabhupada Vani dasa. Others thought he had semi-retired for health reasons.

    In the beginning of the year news gradually leaked to other senior devotees and since that time we have had many meetings to inform and then help those disciples. These disciples included all the senior and leading devotees of the yatra. With the exception of two (mentioned below) all devotees accept Balabhadra’s stepping down as both guru and sannyasi and have stopped all worship of and appellation in regards to him. Many have sought shelter from other senior Vaisnavas.

    The devotees are all united around and supportive of Prabhupada Vani dasa as temple president, who is doing an admirable job in that service, in an otherwise trying situation. Balabhadra’s son and daughter, also living near the temple, are fully aware of his transgressions and fully supportive of the working committee, its decisions, and the Scottish temple management.

    There appears to be two die-hard supporters of Balabhadra who show no apparent change in allegiance to their “guru”, even after being made aware of all the transgressions and abuses. These devotees are now being engaged by Balabhadra for his purposes.

    With those exceptions, who are now leaving the devotee community, the yatra, the temple and the congregation is stable, the devotees mature and the mood upbeat. There have been many visitors recently, such as Hari-sauri prabhu, Madhavananda prabhu, Dhananjaya prabhu and Indradyumna Swami and more are expected. In short the isolation is over.

    Subsequent Development

    Within one month of this agreement being reached, Balabhadra dasa reneged on it. Instead of fulfilling certain duties and communications assigned him, he turned up at the temple in Scotland, at midnight, on Janmastami, unannounced and without permission. Obviously the devotees there were both shocked and intimidated. He spoke to some proclaiming that he was now a free man and not working under any authority. He also stated that he had friends and collecting abilities, thus he would not be affected by losing the support of the Scottish Yatra, or of ISKCON.

    Unless and until Balabhadra submits himself to the working committee and the authority of ISKCON, he should be considered as his own agent, not a representative of ISKCON. Thus whatever project he promotes, or funds he collects for, are not with the approval of ISKCON. Thus temples and temples’ congregation should be appropriately informed.

    This report completes the work of the committee assigned to this case.

    The reason this issue is being announced on Dandavats is twofold;

    1. It was made clear to Balabhadra dasa that if he broke the agreements regarding his rectification, restriction, and future service, and if he chose to do as he liked, his case would be made public in order to protect devotees of the Society from him.

    2. Since Balabhadra dasa is now his own man, with no means of livelihood, he will seek to raise funds from the international society of devotees who should be informed that supporting him is not supporting any ISKCON approved project or person.



    Why? Why? Why? is there no mention help of for the duped and abused "disciples". Why does the abuser get all the help? Is it because he's a Prabhupada disciple? What mechanisms are there within Iskcon to protect the victims of bogus "gurus"? Sheesh, his "disicples" must have been very unitelligent to take the abuse from him

  9. Kill Man, Woman, Infant


    "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)




    No matter how one can justify possible crimes from adults, suckling infants have no means of acting out crimes. And what evil against God could the animals have possibly performed? Only an evil entity could kill innocent infants and animals, no matter what their parents and owners may have done.


    Sheesh...where in sastra does Visnhu condone such actions....

  10. God Casts Stones


    "And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword." (Joshua 10:11)




    Another typical slaughter described in the Bible. Here we have God, personally throwing great stones on the people for the sole purpose of killing them.


    "The Christian religion has been and still is the principle enemy of moral progress in the world."


    --Bertrand Russell



    Where does it describe in our sastra that Vishnu throws stones?

  11. God 'The Jealous'


    "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters so a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods." (Exodus 34:14-16)




    Verse 14 (among other verses of the Bible) makes it abundantly clear that this God not only feels jealous but the Bible names him Jealous.


    Why an all powerful God should feel jealous of his creations simply because they believed in other gods remains unclear. Could it mean that other gods exist as well as the Hebrew god or that the other gods do a better job?



    Somehow I don't believe Visnhu is a jealous God...

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