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  1. theist

    cow's milk again

    gHari's arguement is an old one I have offered by the meat eaters against vegetarians and vegan who protest eating meat. Buying milk from enslaved and slaughtered cows is direct support to the cow killers and bears no resemblance to the scenario he presents. When you purchase meat or milk that is a direct request for them to slaughter more cows. It's called demand and supply as they replace that which you purchased. Silly word games won't free you from the karma.
  2. BTG gets San Francisco Ratha Yatra Date Wrong! BY: GABRIEL FOLEY Jul 14, SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA (SUN) — Dear Prabhus, The Back to Godhead Magazine has made a major mistake. They have printed that the San Francisco Ratha Yatra is on Sunday the 26th. This is NOT correct! The date of the San Francisco Ratha Yatra is on SATURDAY JULY 25th 2009 Here is the invitation . PS. We hope that the editors of the BTG issue a statement on their website correcting their mistake.
  3. Superstition or simple natural phenomenon? It doesn't matter as long as we mark the occurence with increased chanting of the Lord's Holy Names. We can chant to be protected from the evil influence of the event, or to be protected from repeated birth and death and most certainly just to please the Lord. It's all good. From the Sampradaya Sun Solar Eclipse pits 'Superstition' against Science BY: PHIL HAZLEWOOD An Indian astronomy researcher explains solar eclipses in Kolkata on July 19. Indian astrologers are predicting violence and turmoil across the world as a result of this week's total solar eclipse. [Photo: AFP/Deshakalyan Chowdhury] Jul 21, MUMBAI, INDIA (!) — Science continues to express its bewilderment in the area of divinely arranged phenomenon. Indian astrologers are predicting violence and turmoil across the world as a result of this week's total solar eclipse, which the superstitious and religious view as a sign of potential doom. But astronomers, scientists and secularists are trying to play down claims of evil portent in connection with Wednesday's natural spectacle, when the moon will come between the Earth and the sun, completely obscuring the sun. In Hindu astrology, the two demons Rahu and Ketu are said to "swallow" the sun during eclipses, snuffing out its life-giving light and causing food to become inedible and water undrinkable. Pregnant women are advised to stay indoors to prevent their babies developing birth defects, while prayers, fasting and ritual bathing, particularly in holy rivers, are encouraged. Shivani Sachdev Gour, a gynaecologist at the Fortis Hospital in New Delhi, said a number of expectant mothers scheduled for caesarian deliveries on July 22 had asked to change the date. "This is a belief deeply rooted in Indian society. Couples are willing to do anything to ensure that the baby is not born on that day," Gour said. Astrologers have predicted a rise in communal and regional violence in the days following the eclipse, particularly in India, China and other Southeast Asian nations where it can be seen on Wednesday morning. Mumbai astrologer Raj Kumar Sharma predicted "some sort of attack by (Kashmiri separatists) Jaish-e-Mohammad or Al-Qaeda on Indian soil" and a devastating natural disaster in Southeast Asia. An Indian political leader could be killed, he said, and tension between the West and Iran is likely to increase, escalating into possible US military action after September 9, when fiery Saturn moves from Leo into Virgo. "The last 200 years, whenever Saturn has gone into Virgo there has been either a world war or a mini world war," he told AFP. It is not just in India that some are uneasy about what will transpire because of the eclipse. In ancient China they were often associated with disasters, the death of an emperor or other dark events, and similar superstitions persist. "The probability for unrest or war to take place in years when a solar eclipse happens is 95 percent," announced an article that attracted a lot of hits on the popular Chinese web portal Baidu.com . Sanal Edamaruku, President of the Indian Rationalist Association, dismissed such doomsday predictions. "Primarily, what we see with all these soothsayers and astrologers is that they're looking for opportunities to enhance their business with predictions of danger and calamity," he told AFP. "They have been very powerful in India but over the last decade they have been in systematic decline." Astronomers and scientists are also working to educate the public about the eclipse. Travel firm Cox and Kings has chartered a Boeing 737-700 aircraft to give people the chance to see the eclipse from 41,000 feet (12,500 metres). Experts will be on board to explain it to passengers, some of whom have paid 79,000 rupees (1,600 dollars) for a "sun-side" seat on the three-hour flight from New Delhi. The eclipse's shadow is expected to pass over the aircraft at 15 times the speed of sound (Mach 15), said Ajay Talwar, president of the SPACE Group of companies that promotes science and astronomy. "It's coming in the middle of the monsoon season. On the ground, there's a 40 percent chance of seeing it in India. On the aircraft you have almost a 90 percent chance of seeing the eclipse," he added. Siva Prasad Tata, who runs the Astro Jyoti website, straddles the two worlds. "There's no need to get too alarmed about the eclipse, they are a natural phenomenon," the astrologer told AFP. But he added: "During the period of the eclipse, the opposite attracting forces are very, very powerful. From a spiritual point of view, this is a wonderful time to do any type of worship. It will bring about good results, much more than on an ordinary day."
  4. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    You may be hearing word games but I am not playing any. Prabhupada said not to be concerned with the differences between the allegorical stories in Bhagvatam vs. modern science. Instead he advised to "take the essence" of Srimad Bhagavatam and not be bothered by lesser subject matters. Yes I said lesser subject matters. Who the present manu is irrelevant when compared to krishna-lila. I am indifferent to the manu's and kings of old or the wars between the asuras and devas for planetary control. But I give up on you. I am totally indifferent to what is your opinon on the matter. Hare Krishna
  5. theist

    Which is more important?

    Exactly! This point of cow protection being the essential point has been stated many times but for some reason rarely acknowledged. I personally cannot digest milk products so would be vegan in any case but no one I know expects this for the temples.
  6. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    I will answer this one. Yes one should also become indifferent to all material subject matter by becoming Krishna conscious, even in the Bhagavat Purana.
  7. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    Ganeshprasad, You continue to ignore the post I kept quoting from Dasomi. This is my third and last request to you to respond in detail to that post. It is obvious why you want to ignore but until that is done there really is nothing more to add to our conversation. Hare Krishna
  8. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    JNdas, it is very nice to see you posting here a little more frequently even amongst your busy schedule. Hope you can keep it up.
  9. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    To be indifferent to something does not mean to be against that thing. Main Entry:in·dif·fer·ent 1: marked by impartiality : unbiased2 a: that does not matter one way or the other b: of no importance or value one way or the other3 a: marked by no special liking for or dislike of something <indifferent about which task he was given> b: marked by a lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern for something : apathetic <indifferent to suffering and poverty>4: being neither excessive nor inadequate : moderate <hills of indifferent size>5 a: being neither good nor bad : mediocre <does indifferent work> b: being neither right nor wrong6: characterized by lack of active quality : neutral <an indifferent chemical>7 a: not differentiated <indifferent tissues of the human body> b: capable of development in more than one direction ; especially : not yet embryologically determined
  10. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    Parts of the vedas are mundane. Mundane referring to 'worldly'. They regulate worldly life in a way that is spiritually progressive so in that way the purpose of the vedas is essentially spiritual. But understand this point, IT IS KRISHNA WHO TELLS ARJUNA TO BECOME INDIFFERENT AND NOT ME. Krishna is the goal of vedanta. Once you reach the goal you no longer need the ladder. Of course not everyone reaches the goal at the same time so to keep the ladder in place is necessary. I am not advocating the kicking away of the ladder. But I am saying it is a mistake for one to cling to the ladder when he has already climbed to the top.     I highly doubt that a PHd professor spends much time sentimentaly pinning of his days in kindergarten. Of course he does not bemoan those days but they now have no more relevance for him personally. Acknowleding the Supreme is good. Acknowledging the Supreme person is much better. And better still is total surrender to Him in love. dharmic way is best. But Krishna is telling us to surrender to Him uterrly and quit building castles made of sand here in the material world. Yes He is to be known by the vedas and focused upon exclusively with love and devotion.
  11. theist

    cow's milk again

    Yes it is a generalization about America but I have lived here all my life and Americans gorge themselves on milk products as well as meat and it is a very materialistic and coarse culture and I see no evidence of finer brain tissues being developed from all the dairy consumption. I do recognize the exceptions as well. Your point is well taken OmHari. A side note on McDonalds. Did you know that McDonalds has a presence in India. In fact there is one on the main road from Dehli to Agra call Mathura Road. It is located near the turn off from Mathura road to Vrndavan. I stayed in MVT while in Vrndavan and one day Gargamuni das who was enterting the gate to MVT just before me turned to me while pointing to a discarded McDonalds wrapper littered on the ground before the gate and remarked, "this is the most obscene thing I have seen". It was shocking to me also, such a thing lying in the Holy Dust of Ramana Reti where Krishna plays with His calves and cowherds.
  12. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    A dramatic post Ganshprasad but the philosophical point is lost in the sentimentality. Religion without philosophy is sentimentalism. We need both. No one said anything about chopping down the tree for God's sake. The tree still exists for others who need to get the fruit. The analogy breaks down here because after tasting the fruit of the Holy Names one no longer needs to seek any other fruit. No need to return to the tree personally. But like I said the tree still stands for others who are to water and prune the tree and harvest it's fruit. There will always be more people wanting to go to heaven or get rich without acknowledging their eternal dependence on the Supreme Person, the one without a second, Sri Krishna so don't worry. You end your post with a Jai Sri krishna yet you are arguing against His very words in the Bhagavad-gita. Does that make sense to you? Please read this post from Dasomi to clear your confusion.
  13. theist

    Onion and Garlic - vedic view

    Equivalant to meat eating is a nonsense proposal IMO.
  14. theist

    why we should not eat meat?

    No one should think in terms of personally being better because no one is the body. The identities of meat eater and vegetarian have no relation to the soul. Exactly. We seek to end the vicious cycle of of slaughter and be slaughtered that people are revolving on. Who is in the cow body being slaughtered? Most likely a meat eater from a past birth. And what happens to the one killing and eating the cow body today? He gets slaughtered and eaten in some future birth. The same with the abortion madness. It is not that we should have some feelings for the cow and not the humans who abuse them. A devotee is not selective in this way. Nor is he puffed up about anything. But we can't fake feelings of compassion. Does this mean we have to wait until we are pure before we can offer advice on this matters? No we must intervene as we can, where we can rather we are a little puffed up or not. Yes knowledge must be spread. Mis-information has been spread for 60 years or more by the slaughter industry. They have infected the whole western world with their propaganda from hell. I also think PeTA is doing a great job. Right. certainly. Not to give food to a starving man makes one implication in his death. And knowledge is that key.
  15. theist

    why we should not eat meat?

    Right, but humans bite into animals far more than animals bite humans. Think on this statistic. In the USA alone 1 million animals are slaughter per HOUR for food. 9 BILLION animals are slaughtered per year in the USA. No one more dangerous than a human meat eater with a good set of teeth.
  16. theist

    why we should not eat meat?

    Animals are people too.
  17. theist

    Vegan vs vegetarian

    Right on point.
  18. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    Perhaps but I don't know that. It all news to me. So I have no opinion on that.
  19. theist

    Which is more important?

    Therefore in the Western world at least we must be vegan. It is a small but necessary austerity. This so-called absolute need for cows milk or death will result is just an Indian myth. This is exactly the same argument the cow slaughters said about meat. They brainwashed everyone to the point that as a child we all thought we had to have meat at every meal. I have been a vegan (with the exception of occasional temple prasad for 38 yrs. app. My health has only greatly improved upon ceasing milk consumption. There is no such thing as a milk deficency. Death will surely come but being a vegan won't hasten it.
  20. theist

    Which is more important?

    Yes I have heard it and reject it outright.Like Supersoul is taking score of which atoms in the giant milk pot came from which cow and therefore He awards a few brownie points to those cows. It in the same line as the stealing money from the "karmis" on "sankirtana" is okay but the victim gets some ajnana-sukriti. never mind this mode of ignorance practice succeeded in turning off the western countries to Krishna consciousness and left Iskcon with the reputation of being a cheating religious cult. A better example would be the stealing of flowers from others property and offering them to Krishna in the name of "It's really Krishna's property and the ownersa get punya from it". I was in Hawai when this uproar came from the neighbors of the krishna temple who were tired of having devotees picking flowers out of their yards in the middle of the night. Prabhupada told the devotees to stop stealing flowers and fruit in a letter that got read during morning prasad and then immediately ignored. It is not cow protection as described in the scriptures. Now doesn't it make sense for those preaching cow protection to actually practice cow protection? Example is better than precept. The real question is why are there only a handful of protected cows in America and the West in general? Prabhupada's plan was farms would supply the temples with milk from protected cows. It seems devotees want to enjoy the milk prasad in the name of doing it for Krishna and ignore the part about protecting krishna's cows. Do these devotees think Krishna's is callous to the suffering of the cows because He needs our banana milk offering at night so badly? If you (general you Dasomi) are convinced of your position still then how about proving it by just offering a small amount to krishna and sharing the maha by only taking a few drops? You won't do that because the milk you are offering is really for you, right? In either case as far as I am concerned all the commercial milk drinkers that support the slaughter industry with one side of your mouth by drinking commercial milk (including organic and free range) and then preach to others about cow protection out of the other side should just keep the whole mouth shut on this issue. Milk from protected cows or none at all. Jaya Gopala Jaya Govinda!
  21. Bump to top. I want to keep this visible until the event day. The thought of someone wanting to attend but going on the wrong day is very trouble some. I used to hitchhike from Portland Oregon to attend this festival in the very early 70's when Srila Prabhupada would also come and ride on Lady Subadra's cart and also speak to the crowd which then was as large as 10,000 people. Many of the best moments in my little life are from those festivals in Golden Gate park. Jaya Lord Jagannatha!
  22. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    Well I don't know anything about this child of Cebu. But the point about worshipping different saints to get material benedictions fits the thread. One can get material benefits by going straight to the Supreme person and asking for them. He may or may not give them to you but one thing is for sure, no demigod has any benediction to give other then what Krishna gives them to give. So Krishna is the only benefactor rather we know it or not. But whose to judge the soul that wants benedictions from God. We all do. We all are imperfectly motivated in our seeking out the Lord. Some want heaven and some want liberation. We are all selfish. Okay we admit we are selfish. What to do? First thing is to know what the real self is. What is in our real best interest? We must learn to act in the best interest of our real self and not this false identity. One who is selfish in this way will only ask saints or demi-gods or God Himself to give them knowledge about the Lord. Material benedictions including liberation are ultimately all useless so why bother with the demi-gods other than to be respectful. Krishna taught the residents of Vrndavana that He is their only shelter.
  23. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    Apparently then the Catholics have taken to a type of demigod worship. No where has Jesus Christ instructed to do this. But hey why should they let that stop them. Forget the fact that Jesus said we can not worship the things of the material world and Love God at the same time;" No man can have two masters..." By Jesus's personal example even liberation or salvation from hell and suffering is not the goal. The only goal Jesus showed the world was to surrender one's will to the will of God and serve at His pleasure.
  24. theist

    Becoming indifferent to the vedas

    So it is clear that for transcendentalists any vedic rituals that are aimed at satisfying some demigod for material gain hold no attraction because they are not interested in obtaining material things. So we can lay such instructions aside irrespective if they come labeled "vedic" or not.
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