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  1. theist

    Which is more important?

    . Let's say the calf that Krishna is holding and protecting is a male calf. Do you think He would surrender that calf to be slaughtered for veal so you could have milk to offer Him? Does that make sense to you?
  2. theist

    cow's milk again

    Where does human society get the resources to feed the elephants and whales? It doesn't because Krishna is the maintainer not humans. As Jesus said; consider the sparrows and flowers and how our Father cares for each one of them personally. There are so many cows, pigs and chickens because they are being bred to feed the voracious blood cravings of the meateating class. As people gradually begin to give up eating flesh their numbers will also decrease in a corresponding manner. If Ford is not selling so many cars then they will naturally produce less to be sold. Simple demand and supply.
  3. theist

    cow's milk again

    This is real sacrifice. I have no choice being allergic to the milk protein so my "sacrifice" is slight. But I can speak out on their behalf and also the chickens, pigs and other victims of the hellish factory farms and this can be my sacrifice. A religious life cannot become truly a spiritual life without compassion. So we must cultivate this compassion in all aspects of our lives.
  4. Sorry, I can not make sense of your reasoning. Whose strategy are you talking about? The slaughter of cows will not cause less cows to be born because they are all being impregnated artifically anyway. The demons have simply caused the birth of too many cows to fit with the economic reality of today. Milk production is subsidized by the government so these dairy demons all started producing more and more milk until they caused a glut in the market which brought the price down so now they have to cull the heards to get price back up. It's quite simple. When there is too much oil being drilled the price per barrel goes down and OPEC gets together and agrees among themselves to pump less oil so the price will rise again. For the dairy demons to get the price back up they must cull the herds so there will be less milk on the market. Somehow you have the opinion that by drinking more milk you will save these cows. No so gHari. The more people that drink milk the more the dairy demons will feel the need to produce more meat. Besides you cannot save these 103,000 cows they soon are destined to be slaughtered anyway. Happily I can say not one of them or any cow in the future is being slaughtered to satisfy my craving to drink their milk.On this point at least my conscience is clear. Some will be slaughtered to feed yours however. Yes time and circustance. When circumstance is right and you can obtain milk from protected cows then do it, until that time you should refrain in the name of Gopala.
  5. theist

    cow's milk again

    Fine, it's your choice. According to you one can't be a Gaudiya Vaisnava without drinking milk. I don'r share that opinion. For me the emphasis should be on cow protection and not drinking the milk of enslaved, ill-treated and soon to be slaughtered cows.
  6. theist

    Which is more important?

    Yes I have heard of ekalavya. We have different understanding of the word disciple. One of the basic requirements to be a disciple of Srila Prabhupada is to chant at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra daily. No way do I even come close to this. I am not trying to put myself down or to sound humble I am simply trying for an honest self evaluation. And where do you get off telling me I should stop promoting his philosophy? Anyway back to the thread topic.
  7. Student of Eastern Philosophy maybe if you want to keep it kind of vague.
  8. Primate, I take eternal fire to refer to material desires. Eternal damnation is to be eternally afflicted by these incessant desires driving us deeper into madness while never finding any satisfaction. Eternal damnation then can be seen as synonomous with "eternally conditioned" for to be condition to material life is clearly a damned state of being. What the Popes or other Christians think it means may be something quite different. I am convinced one cannot make much sense philosophically of the Bible until one has read Vaisnava literature, and then it just opens up.
  9. People are always seeking a label to place on me and causing a similar problem. I just tell them I am a soul trying to live a God conscious life and learn about God. I mention that for learning about the personal attributes of God i find the teachings of Srila Prabhupada to be astonishing and so concentrate there while making it clear I am not a member of any religious institution or personal disciple of his. I also make it very clear I am not a Hindu or Christian or any such thing. People feel they need categorize everyone they meet so they can call upon their preconceived vision of what you are as a means of relating to you. Of course then they are not relating to you at all but as a part you are playing according to their pre-determined script which they carry in there head. We all do this as it is the way of the material world of names and phantom forms.
  10. Wow. This is some very subtle teaching.
  11. theist

    Which is more important?

    Nor am I trying to have it both ways. In all my posts over the last decade you will not find one where I claim to be a disciple of any guru including Srila Prabhupada. Not that Srila Prabhupada is not Jagad guru, i fully accept that he is, but to be a disciple of someone means to be fully under the discipline that he prescribes. So I don't qualify as a disciple. I have chosen to try and learn about Krishna from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada. I have disagreements with him on some other points, like accepting the cosmology of the SB. the literal historical reading of many of the happening recorded in the Puranas and Mahabharata and the need for cows milk. I do accept Srila Prabhupada's position as a 100% pure devotee of Lord krishna and therefore any action committed by him in the service of Lord Krishna is faultless although from the material point of view there may be some visible fault. A most rare position. Everyone is that I see I consider to be still karmically bound to greater and lesser degree On another point I don't believe in blindly accepting what any guru says. Srila Prabhupada writes in a Gita purport that "blind following is condemned". I take those words seriously. These points are not a secret. I have stated them many times before when needed. The way I see it learning how to be Krishna conscious in the material world may entail making different choices on some things than the predecessors have done. An example would be on one hand Lord Caitanya clearly said there are no hard and fast rules for chanting the names of God. yet Srila Prabhupada was very specific on how he wanted kiratans to be conducted in his temples with certain songs and tunes. That was for his Iskcon. This doesn't mean others who sing with different instruments and tunes outside of Iskcon are somehow "unbonedfide" or wrong. Anyway this is another subject. On this cow protection thing it is up to each individual to reconcile within themselves the fact that when they offer commercial milk to Krishna they are supporting the cow slaughter industry and therefore DIRECTLY going against the instruction to protect cows. Do we really think Krishna is going to die without our offering of milk from unprotected cows? This is silliness. "But the tortured and murdered cows get some sukriti fromthe offering so we are really being compassionate upon them". This is one of the lamest arguements going. It isan attempt at using the mercy killing argument. here is an idea for a substitute. Make some almond milk to offer to Krishna. No tree is hurt in the process and the soul of the almond trees will get sukriti and the devotees won't be seen to be engaged in hypocrisy on the cow protection issue. After the soul in the cow body and the soul in the almond tree are to be seen on an equal level so why not help them?
  12. You need to get some basic education on this subject gHari. The fact there are so many cows is because the demons keep the cows pregnant and having offspring for profit. Now they find they have over produced and hurt their own market. Learn the subject just a little bit then have an opinion. Blaming vegans for the death of these cows is really out there.
  13. theist

    cow's milk again

    Kindness and decency means you stop supporting cow slaughter just so you can have a glass of milk with your breakfast. Give up your wishing for "hope" and do something practical.
  14. We know that death is rarely a serene event. Long term illness to death often means heavy medication leading up to the soul's departure. These drugs heavily influence the brain & mind, dulling it considerably in most cases. Sometimes death arrives suddenly and violently as in a car wreck, some other accident like falling off a high place or even murder. The confusion and fear at such times will be considerable. We can and must do our best to prepare ourselves but that will always be lacking. At least though we can show Krishna we are serious in our efforts and rely on His promise to remember what we have and carry what we lack.
  15. Now that is chanting from the heart.
  16. Really very beautiful Smaranam. What of the Alzheimer sufferer that can't even remember his own name let alone God's at the time of death? It could be anyone of us. The need to place ourselves under the mercy of the Lord is an imperative. Why should we let one more moment pass before we completely humble ourselves before Him? We have no idea what the next moment will bring. Not to do so is gambling with our very selves at stake.
  17. theist

    cow's milk again

    So because cows marked for dairy production are allowed to live a little longer before being slaughtered it makes it ok?!? They are allowed to live by the demon exploiters because they want to 1) profit off their milk production. 2) profit off the sale of calves to be slaughtered for veal. 3) Produce more female calves for dairy production replacing their mothers when the mothers are sent to slaughter. Did it ever occur to you that animals like cows have a God given life unto themselves? You have bought into the demonic idea that their only purpose was for the sense pleasure of human beings. There is no way to tweek the factory farming process here and there to make any aspect of it ok, as in letting some live longer while they are being exploited for their milk before being slaughtered is tolerable somehow.
  18. You are so funny sometimes gHari.
  19. theist

    Srimad bhagavatam

    TRANSLATION Completely rejecting all religious activities which are materially motivated, this Bhāgavata Purāṇa propounds the highest truth, which is understandable by those devotees who are fully pure in heart. The highest truth is reality distinguished from illusion for the welfare of all. Such truth uproots the threefold miseries. This beautiful Bhāgavatam, compiled by the great sage Vyāsadeva [in his maturity], is sufficient in itself for God realization. What is the need of any other scripture? As soon as one attentively and submissively hears the message of Bhāgavatam, by this culture of knowledge the Supreme Lord is established within his heart.
  20. theist

    Onion and Garlic - vedic view

    Babrhu, Kurma das's arguement is a health based one, listing various sources that claimed to show the detrimental effects on the body of the foods in question. I have nothing to say about that. Some praise both foods for their health bestowing properities. Maybe garlic and onions have benefical and detrimental properties both. I wonder how he would deal with commercial cow's milk. Would he be against the use of commercial cow's milk (blood milk) whose list of health destroying properties is far more agreed upon then anything relating to onion and garlic. Just a curiousity on my part.
  21. TRANSLATION Bg 2.52 When your intelligence has passed out of the dense forest of delusion, you shall become indifferent to all that has been heard and all that is to be heard. PURPORT There are many good examples in the lives of the great devotees of the Lord of those who became indifferent to the rituals of the Vedas simply by devotional service to the Lord. When a person factually understands Kṛṣṇa and his relationship with Kṛṣṇa, he naturally becomes completely indifferent to the rituals of fruitive activities, even though an experienced brāhmaṇa. Śrī Mādhavendra Purī, a great devotee and ācārya in the line of the devotees, says: sandhyā-vandana bhadram astu bhavato bhoḥ snāna tubhyaṁ namo bho devāḥ pitaraś ca tarpaṇa-vidhau nāhaṁ kṣamaḥ kṣamyatām yatra kvāpi niṣadya yādava-kulottamasya kaṁsa-dviṣaḥ smāraṁ smāram aghaṁ harāmi tad alaṁ manye kim anyena me. "O Lord, in my prayers three times a day, all glory to You. Bathing, I offer my obeisances unto You. O demigods! O forefathers! Please excuse me for my inability to offer you my respects. Now wherever I sit, I can remember the great descendant of the Yadu dynasty [Kṛṣṇa], the enemy of Kaṁsa, and thereby I can free myself from all sinful bondage. I think this is sufficient for me." The Vedic rites and rituals are imperative for neophytes: comprehending all kinds of prayer three times a day, taking a bath early in the morning, offering respects to the forefathers, etc. But, when one is fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and is engaged in His transcendental loving service, one becomes indifferent to all these regulative principles because he has already attained perfection. If one can reach the platform of understanding by service to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa, he has no longer to execute different types of penances and sacrifices as recommended in revealed scriptures. And, similarly, if one has not understood that the purpose of the Vedas is to reach Kṛṣṇa and simply engages in the rituals, etc., then he is uselessly wasting time in such engagements. Persons in Kṛṣṇa consciousness transcend the limit of śabda-brahma, or the range of the Vedas and Upaniṣads.
  22. theist

    cow's milk again

    Try to understand this sentence from Srila Prabhupada.