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as long as he executes the yuga-dharma he will make spiritual advancement. What is the yuga-dharma? Chanting of the names of God. There are many names used in Christianity. Convince your son to chant the name Jehovah or Christ if he is not keen on the Vedic names.

Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya ok, lets stick to the Vedas. Maha Upanishad: - Narayana was all that existed before Shiva and Brahma. Gopala Tapaniya Upanishad: - Shiva became free from illusion by praying to Krishna. - Shiva is covered by Krishna's illusory energy. The Upanishads never mention Shiva to be superior to Krishna...in fact above quotes show that they describe Krishna to be superior to Shiva Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya

Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya Jignasu, you make a lot of points, without answering mine. I have already addressed the majority of your quotes which u feel you have to repetitively bring up. I shall ask you the same question i asked guest-: In Srimad Bhagavatam canto 4.24.73, Lord Shiva states that he became free from ignorance by praying to Krsna. Now either: a) you think that the Supreme Lord can be affected by ignorance or b) you are calling Lord Shiva a liar when he says he had to pray to Krsna to become free from ignorance Also, why do you continue to quote from the Shiva and Linga Puranas, when Shiva specifically states in Padma Purana that Shiva and Linga Puranas are in the mode of ignorance? Do you think Lord Shiva is lying again when he states that? Do you think Lord Shiva lies to his own wife, Parvati, in the Padma Purana when he tells her that Lord Krsna is the highest form to worship? Does Lord Shiva lie to Parvati in the Padma Purana when he says that one should serve Shiva only because Shiva is the devotee of Krsna? In any case, the Shiva Purana and Linga Purana quotes you have brought up do not show that: a) Krishna is subordinate to Shiva or that b) Shiva is equal to Krishna. Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya

Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya "In Chandogya, Krishna is taught Brahma Gyana. Does the Supreme Lord need to be taught? Where Shiva is taught Brahma Gyan?" Krishna came down and showed people how to become self-realized, by submissively enquiring from one's Spiritual master. Does the Supreme Lord mention another to be the highest form to worship, the only original person? Like Lord Shiva does in the Padma Purana and the Srimad Bhagavatam? Does the Supreme Lord say he became free from illusion by praying to Krishna, like Lord Shiva says in the Srimad Bhagavatam? How can the Supreme Lord ever be under illusion? "Where is this stated? You are again falsifying Maha Narayana Upanishad, wherein Agni, Indra, Visnu, Aditi, Naryana – all are described as Brahman." I apologise, actually it is from the Maha Upanishad: I-1-4. Then we shall expound the Mahopanishad. They say Narayana was alone. There were not Brahma, Shiva, Waters, Fire and Soma, Heaven and Earth, Stars, Sun and Moon. He could not be happy. From the (desire of) the Paramatman, the Yajnastoma (hymn known as Avyakta) is said to have arisen. So Narayana existed before Shiva and Brahma - u agree? Or r u gonna dodge that bullet?!? "Note: “We salute again and again that Being, Rudra, who alone is the light and the Soul of all.” " Rudra is the light and Soul of all - yet still we have not heard any Vedic shastra stating that Krsna was ever under illusion, yet Lord Shiva clearly says: SB 4.24.73: We chanted these prayers in praise of Krsna and became completely free from all ignorance. Thus we were able to create different types of living entities. Does the Supreme Lord have to become free from ignorance? No. Therefore Lord Shiva is not the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Lord Shiva is the highest devotee of Krsna, that is why he no longer suffers from ignorance. He is complete in himself, since his devotion is unquestionable. Question: Unless you reckon Lord Shiva is lying in this verse? "You are a falsifier" Do not revert to insults, simply answer the question(s) above. Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya

Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya "Only immortals, take gifts from churning the ocean. The One Lord did not take anything but the poison." When have i ever suggested Lord Shiva is not immortal? "I ask: Why Lord Vishnu—the Supreme God Head approached SadaSiva to drink Halahal?" To glorify his devotee. "Please note: Those who are advanced in spiritual consciousness surrender unto you" One can be a Vaishnava and also surrender unto Lord Shiva, since he is the greatest of Vaishnavas - no problem. "Please note: Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Siva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the supreme truth, known as Paramatma." why say celebrated as Lord Shiva? Why not your lordship Shiva? The reason: The Supreme Truth (Vishnu) who is Paramatma is in this particular verse being celebrated as Lord Shiva, the direct representative of Lord Vishnu. Just like one can treat the spiritual master as god since he is the authorised representative. "Please note: the various directors of this material world certainly cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is not understandable even to Lord Brahma, Lord Visnu or the King of heaven, Mahendra." Exactly, this is in reference to the impersonal Brahman effulgence. I admit that Lord Shiva's devotees can reach a form of impersonal liberation. "Please note: O greatest of all rulers, your actual identity is impossible for us to understand. As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. Beyond this, no one can appreciate your activities. We can see this much, and nothing more. And please note all the time Lord Vishnu was also there. " The actual identity of Lord Shiva is impossible to understand - that does not neccesarily mean he is the source of the spiritual dimension and all unmanifest things. "Why: The One Lord did not take anything but the poison?" Lord Shiva took the poison as service to Lord Vishnu. Lord Vishnu allowed it to glorify his devotee. Even if you don't accept this commentary, it still doesn't prove that Lord Shiva is the source of the spiritual dimension or the unmanifest beings. It's simple really, if Lord Shiva says that Krishna is the only form, the highest form to be worshipped, the only original person etc, then we must accept Lord Shiva's statement. Hare Krishna and Om Namo Shivaya