Maitreya

Satyaraja:

After real realization no one will preach, as the obvious cannot be explained.

karthik_v:

Oops! there is some redundancy in that sentence. Any realization, I thought, has to be real. So, where does real realizatioon come from???!!!!

I appreciate your point karthik.Someone must be granting that real realization to the previously non-realized.And It follows that if someone could grant it to him then having obtained it he in turn can pass it on to someone else.

Parampara.Mercy descending.

Hare Krishna

My view is that trust is something that is earned and grows.That it needs to be nourished along.Earned as I said and not demanded from or given to someone blindly.

For example;if someone is given to gossip,and you know this, are you likely to take that person into your confidence?I think not.The very word confidence implies trust.

From the American Heritage Dictionary.

Confidence 1.Trust or reliance:I am placing my confidence in you. 2.Trusting relationship:took him into my confidence etc.

Confide:1.To tell something in confidence.2.To put into anothers keeping;entrust.3.To tell private matters in confidence.

Trust is an essential foundation stone for true friendship as I see it.More than just sharing the same belief system.

People can all work together towards a specific goal without developing this type of relationship.Building a church or temple and being friendly while doing it is one thing.But I feel something much deeper is being meant in this verse.Something not tossed about lightly.

Just my thoughts on it.

Any others?

Hare Krishna

[for hmtl]

[This message has been edited by Maitreya (edited 09-24-2001).]

Some more thoughts on Friendships.I find that there are many levels to such relationships.

As I am one to be more cautious then some others who prefer the leap method I have had the experience of noticing some benefits by my approach.I can usually find a certain zone, a certain balance between closeness and distance by going slow.It may just be that with any particular two people there is a point that should be maintained, without pushing on any further.And I think that is fine.Are focus should be to push on to Krishna's feet, and assist others in that same Homeward march.

Everyone is an individual and so I expect that I will not have the same relationship with any two people.It is just a question of what depth can be achieved comfortably.It may be casual or somewhat closer.I don't try to structure them too much.These things are really much more natural than that.

Of course not all people will feel right taking this way as their own.

The main thing anyway is to help each other remember Krishna.Krishna is the center.He is Rasaraja.And all relationships with each other should flow around that reality.

As far as trust goes, I have said on many other occasions that I don't even trust 'myself'.Never trust someone who is not in control of their own senses.We act against our own self interest anytime we make any move that is not directed to Krishna's pleasure.

To the degree that we get connected up to the Lord, to that degree we will be able to be a real friend to someone else.

So that is what I am trying to say here.When we become trustworthy in Krishna's service to some degree, to that degree we will be friends to others.

Anything else is just an imitation and I am just sooo tired of my own pretense that it is becoming too hard to maintain.So please, no one trust me.Not at all.Your friend is Krishna and His servants.I came to this world just to exploit people like you.I have no good intentions towards you whatsoever.

I am however thinking about changing my lifeview in this regard.But until I do you would be best to keep a safe distance.

This is not self hatred or an attempt at playing humble.Just the raw truth of the matter as I see it.

Hare Krishna fellow souls.

As an aside I'm hearing that BeeGees song in my head.You know it. "You should be dancin' yea..."

Originally posted by livingentity:

That's funny I was thinking the same thing.

 

Great minds often think alike.

PETA would have some nice pictures of little pets for you.

living entity

Sarcasm; just a touch.Not as much as JR's Mr.Supersoul comment.

Gee, thanks for sharing valaya.

Originally posted by JRdd:

LOL mr das! You know what I said about whatever you think is going on it isnt? well it isnt hahaha! So yourself!

 

 

True Mr.das, it isn't going on, but it is being attempted.

Originally posted by valaya:

Of course I can only speak from the personal perspective of my own life experience, but I've found that when certain people risk investing their trust in me, I seem to actually become more trustworthy. Perhaps because I respect and admire them in some way, I want to live up to their expectations.

Well valaya I think the last sentence is really my point.How did you come to respect and admire them in some way?From both sides of the relationship their is an examination, an evaluation of each other.This may not sound spontaneous enough for some, or in line with what some folks view is on 'coming from the heart'.But just remember this is the world of illusion.Trusting blindly in anyone and everyone that says they are your friend is a receipe for disaster.

I do believe that others' expectations of us directly affect our perception of ourselves, which is automatically reflected in our behavior. If I truly believe in God's love, all else must surely follow, including trust in others.

Trust in those worthy of trust.

"Be harmless as doves and wise as serpents."

Online Original Bhagavad-gita As It Is.

http://www.asitis.com/

This is an important verse that JRdd has posted concerning developing relationships in Krishna consciousness.

Offering gifts in charity, accepting charitable gifts, revealing one’s mind in confidence, inquiring confidentially, accepting prasad and offering prasad are the six symptoms of love shared by one devotee and another. Text four The Nectar of Instruction

I would like to bring out a point on confidentiality.I have noticed that trust is vital before one can speak confidentialy to another.

So a question most of us could ask ourselves is;"Am I trustworthy?".

LOL! You have no idea of the enormity of the task at hand.I am a 7th grade drop out and my brain is old.Perhaps an occasional correction would be more practical.

I surrender.

Anismesh is giving me lessons.I will try to be a good student.For him I will watch my grammer and for Talasiga I will pledge to improve my puncutation.

I have not grandchildren nor sticks.I am unarmed and repentent.

I mean to say: I have neither grandchildren nor sticks.

But should I have used ; or :?

[Edited for the pleasure of grammer guruji animesh.]

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One of the first things the Taliban 'govt.'did in Afghanistan was to disarm the population.

They actually mention this themselves in an effort to show the world how responsible they are.

Nice Mr. das, real nice.

Originally posted by valaya:

Have no idea what either of you are talking about. Without increasing understanding, what is the point of further communication? Believe it or not, I don't talk just to hear myself speak or post here for any reason except to connect with others.

 

Should I conclude that is not happening in any productive sense, I will simply leave you all to your seemingly endless squabbles and continue my chanting alone. I have no taste for most of this, only the dwindling hope that something real might come out of it.

 

I'm sure you might be able to explain a lot, Maitreya, but of course you don't want to even take the personal risk of Emailing me privately, let alone speaking by phone. Love overcomes fear, as well as the urge to poke, provoke and generally disturb others. Looks like I can't participate without getting caught-up in the negativity that always seems to be lurking here, ready to pounce. Who needs it?

 

Feel free to answer on this forum or by Email: amanpeter@hotmail.com should the inclination strike any of you. Blame me if you like, it's `just another brick in the wall`.

 

valaya RR

 

 

Here is a brief explanation.A dasi on a different forum disagrees with you on something you posted and you get so emotionaly rattled by it that you send out the call to rally the troops and everyone should go and support you and your position.You didn't get the response you were hoping for and then went into a tailspin over how all your efforts for unity have gone in vain etc, etc.And threaten to withdraw into yourself because of it.

I said this in response:

Valaya, don't fall into the pity-party trap.

Ain't no Bosa Nova there,no Samba or Tango either.

By just withdrawing into a dejected state because"no on understands me"[pity-party]

you will find no happiness,i.e.no dancing,no joy..It takes two to Tango.

So what if she disagrees with you?That is her business.Maybe you can explain yourself to her and maybe not.If not then you just agree to disgree, not have an emtional breakdown.

Brace up brother.

living entity,

I saw it and it is powerful.Saira Shah, the brave correspondent who did the piece,brings to light life in present day Afghanistan.And it is not pretty, especially if you are in a female body.

After watching this one will want to fight to free the Afghani's from the Taliban.

Originally posted by rand0M aXiS:

Still going to Vraj next month, MC?

Yes,I leave Oct.1 1:40 am.Hopefully I will get a spark of inspiration.If I can't there then where?Just a drop of the real thing would be nice.

Originally posted by valaya:

Seems Audarya lila prabhu was the only one to respond on Dharma-mela with any understanding. Actually, no one else had anything to say at all. Guess the rest of you must have missed my posts there and the one above, or perhaps you agreed with my accuser. Maybe no one even cared or wanted to get involved, for whatever reason. So why do I bother with anyone here, anyway? valaya RR

Valaya, don't fall into the pity-party trap.

Ain't no Bosa Nova there,no Samba or Tango either.

Originally posted by talasiga:

My Dear Dasanudas

 

I would refer you

to a very good speech therapist

Except that

she is not on speaking terms with me

 

Kind Weegards

 

 

Is Mr.Das watching too many Bugs Bunny cartoons?Aaaaaa..what's up das?

animesh, I can't find my stick so you and Talasiga are safe, for now.

Originally posted by animesh:

OK Talasiga, now what are you rolling your eyes about.

 

He was rolling his eyes over your usage of the word 'irregardless'.

 

Usually, the word 'regr*dless' or the word 'irrespective' is used.

 

The word 'irregar*less' is probably a blend of 'irrespective' and 'regardless'. Even though this word originated in American speech in the early 20th century, it still does not have general acceptance. English schol*lars do not like this word. I do not know the exact reason for this, but I think that the dislike for this word is because of the double negative in it. The prefix 'ir' is used for negative and the suffix 'less' is also used for negative. The word 'irregardless' has both of these.

 

It seems that using double negative has become a fashion now-a-days. What do you think about "I don't have no money?"

 

I just hate such kind of sentence.

OK you damn grammer cops, I ain't takin' it no more.

Double negative ain't no nothing compared to what's coming.

Maybe I don't have no grammer skills but in your post above there at least three spelling errors.I have marked them for your immediate attention.

I just hate such kind of spelling.

Talasiga and animesh;did Jagat send youse guys?

Now where's my stick?

Originally posted by talasiga:

 

 

OK Talasiga, now what are you rolling your eyes about.

Originally posted by stonehearted:

 

BTW, as I was getting ready to leave for work this morning, I saw Rev. Jerry Falwell unequivocally apologize for his suggestion the other day that America deserves the terror attack, and that he blames abortionists, the ACLU, the secularists, etc. for the attack.

 

Of course, he has to do this. He has no real alternative to offer, beyond some nice sentiment about Jesus' sacrifice. We, on the other hand, although we can see things like this as natural consequences of a culture of slaughter (cows, babies, and truth), not God's wrath (but that's in the background, isn't it?), have a genuinely transcendental perspective to offer, made possible by a genuinely transcendental process. That way, we can focus on what will actually help them, rather than just beating them over the head with their sins.

Salagram-sila heart,

The Christians can't explain anything very well because they don't understand what Christ meant when he said "You sow what you reap."They can't explain how that works out without accepting reincarnation.They can't except reincarnation without understanding that we are distinct from the gross body.So to them life begins at conception.

They have a vague conceptions only.Until the understand the soul has no beginning and no end they can only present half truths and then not be able to back them up when challenged.Just like we saw with Falwell.

If you want to help them[Christians] please explain to them the nature of the spiritsoul and how karma carries over from birth to birth.

This would be a great service to Christ, I believe,who said"If you love Me feed My sheep."

Jaya Yeshua Jaya Krishna

Originally posted by leyh:

If one of the offences against the holy names is to instruct a faithless person about the glories of the holy name,does it mean that it is offensive for us to tell non-devotees about the maha-mantra and the principles behind chanting Hare Krsna?

haribol leyh,

It might be a good idea while talking to them to first see if they believe in God before telling them that God is non-different from His name.

If they don't even accept God perhaps sticking to trying to explain that life comes from life and we are not the body etc.is the best policy.

But one thing we know is that anyone can be benefited by hearing the name irregardless of belief.

Hare Krishna