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I did not like the derogatory comparison between the Hindu religion and the Buddhist 'religion'. Here is a more authorative view:
ParamahaMsa: But not all of us are Christians. Some of us are Muslims, and in the Koran Mohammed says that eating meat is all right. In fact it is required to be a good Muslim, to eat meat.
PrabhupAda: They spoke in the desert. What will they eat? But you are not in the desert. Meat-eating is a crude form of eating when people are uncivilized. When there is no other food, you cannot produce. But when you are civilized, when you learn how to produce other foods, why would you eat meat? How are you civilized?
Amogha: SrIla PrabhupAda, in Sikhism there was Guru Nanak and Guru Granth Sahib. Is that actually a real scripture, and was Guru Nanak actually a devotee? Or is that not correct?
PrabhupAda: They created a system of religion which can include Hindus and Muslim. That was at the time needed. But that is not a good system of religion.
ParamahaMsa: You mean a compromise between the two.
PrabhupAda: Compromise, yes. There was too much strain between Hindus and Muslims, so he wanted to make a compromise. Actually there was only Vedic culture all over the world. As the things deteriorated, new systems of religion came in. Either the Sikh religion or the Christian or this religion, Muslim religion. They are, what is called, deformed type of religion. Religion is that sarva-dharmAn parityajya mAm ekaM [bg. 18.66]. That is religion. These are later on deformed.
GaNeza: So is that according to time, place and circumstance we must discriminate in our eating?
PrabhupAda: What?
GaNeza: According to time, place and circumstance we must discriminate whether to eat meat, whether to eat the vegetables?
PrabhupAda: Yes, you must eat. But when good things are available, why should you eat bad things? You must be pacified.
Amogha: Was there a story? The Hindus always tell this story about I think VizvAmitra RSi eating a dog or something?
PrabhupAda: Sometimes. There was no food.
Amogha: They like that story. What about in the Buddhist philosophy; we understand that...
PrabhupAda: No killing.
ParamahaMsa: ...in the higher stage...
PrabhupAda: No killing.
Amogha: Yes, but the Buddhist monks, when they beg, they simply accept whatever alms they receive, and if they receive meat then they'll eat that, and if they receive some raw grains then they eat that. Actually that is a higher state of renunciation.
ParamahaMsa: And if they receive some cigarettes they'll smoke them.
Amogha: Yes, and if they receive--they'll take anything, they are so renounced. So isn't that more spiritual?
PrabhupAda: They have no idea what is spiritual. Buddhist religion is not a spiritual. It is material. If you kill me then I feel pain; therefore I shall not kill you. This is.
Excerpt from SB 6.1 lecture Dec 22/70:
And a godless scripture, that is not accepted as religion. Therefore in India, although Lord Buddha appeared in India--he was a kSatriya, and he started some religious principle--it is not accepted because it is not, in the Buddha religion, there is no acceptance of God or soul.
So these are some of the points. But the BhAgavata says that although in the Buddha religion there is no, I mean to say, mention of worshiping God, but Lord Buddha is himself incarnation of God, and he induced his followers to worship him. Therefore in the BhAgavata it is said that he cheated the atheists. The atheists were against God. He appeared before them. He said, "Yes, you are right. You don't worship God. You worship me." And he is incarnation of God. Kezava dhRta-buddha-zarIra jaya jagadIza hare. He is accepted in the Vedic literature as incarnation of God, but he says that "There is no God. You worship me. You follow me," because his principle was to stop animal-killing. Sadaya-hRdaya darzita-pazu-ghAtam. God became very much compassionate. When people were too much addicted in killing animals unnecessarily, He appeared as Lord Buddha. Sadaya-hRdaya darzita-pazu-ghAtam. Pazu-ghAtam. The pazu-ghAtam means they were being implicated in innumerable sinful activities by this process. Therefore God wanted to... YadA yadA hi dharmasya glAnir bhavati [bg. 4.7]. In the name of religion, they were killing so many animals. Therefore to stop this nonsense, he appeared. And he declined to accept the Vedic principles because there was no other way to stop. If he would have accepted Vedic principles, then these animal-killers would have shown him evidences that in the Vedas there is mention of animal-killing in the sacrifice. But he wanted to stop completely animal-killing; so therefore he adopted a new type of religion. But those who were followers of Vedic religion, they did not accept because that is not religion because it is against the Vedas. These are the principles.
SaGkarAcArya... SaGkarAcArya, after Buddha, His Holiness SaGkarAcArya appeared to drive away Buddhism, and he established again Vedic religion. But that Vedic religion, being impersonal, that is also not Vedic religion. That is also another thing, that God is person. Nityo nityAnAm. NityAnAm, the so many living entities--every one is person. How God can be imperson? If God is the supreme father... If you are a person, then how your father can be imperson? So that is imperfect knowledge. When we speak of God as imperson, that is imperfect knowledge.
vadanti tat tattva-vidas
tattvaM yaj jJAnam advayam
brahmeti paramAtmeti
bhagavAn iti zabdyate
[sB 1.2.11]
The Absolute Truth is presented in three different phases. One is Brahman, impersonal Brahman, another is localized ParamAtmA, and another is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So we shall discuss again. Next morning we shall...
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Click the first link on the site below for your Father's help.31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.
32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
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Gary Stevason
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[This message has been edited by gHari (edited 12-25-2001).]
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Thank you, JRdd. Now I will think of your card when I see those orange bombs exploding in Tora Bora.
I noticed a beautiful flute player on the oak? leaf. And a maple leaf for Canada. I had completely forgotten that you have a daughter. May you both feel your neighborhood's consciousness rise this Christmas.
The world is about to become inundated once again with the Mahamantra. In every car and office, in every town and village, My Sweet Lord will be begged for day in and out for the next few months. You will have your desired explosion - a special Christmas gift for all devotees this year; indeed, for the whole world.
gHari
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<font color=blue>George Harrison</font> will be one of the most influential people in the near future, according to a report released by a world leading advertising firm. My Sweet Lord!
Listen to My Sweet Lord while you read (Real Audio format)<font color="#f7f7f7">GEORGE HARRISON: His work, art, and passion for causes influenced at least one generation. His death will influence people as well - prompting Boomers to re-evaluate their own lives and accomplishments.
http://biz./prnews/011221/nyth094_1.html
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During Ratha Yatra last year, a young female stranger started walking beside me, just behind Lord Baladeva's cart. I think I may have been chanting japa as I walked.
Surprisingly she began to talk to me asking "What is this about?". I told her that God is coming to visit the people. "Are there any rules in your religion"? I said, "No; just learn to love God".
"What is their position on homosexuality"?
I said we only have sex for procreation. "Isn't that difficult?", she replied a little bewildered. "No, it comes naturally when you start to identify with that part of you that lives forever, the soul".
She knew it was the truth. She humbled out into a quiet "Thank you" and drifted back into Lord Jagannatha's admirers.
While this was likely a unique time and circumstance conversation for a very special fortunate young girl, still I think we can see even the masters preaching in accordance with the requirements of time and circumstance.
I would recommend to anyone that in this case, they should just trust the doctor. He knows the source of our bondage and attachment to the material whirlpool; and he knows what we must do and not do to become free from our fixation with material 'pleasure'.
He takes the box away from the child so it can discover that the toy is a lot more fun to play with than the box that it came in.
Merry Christmas,
gHari
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The contest is still ongoing; see link in first post.
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Noting an error in the above article relating to the Mahamantra:
<font color="#f7f7f7">Haribol,
I believe that Srila Prabhupada would be unhappy to be called a reincarnation of Lord Caitanya. Caitanya Mahaprabhu is considered Vishnu-tattva (that is, God Himself), while His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, although clearly a very very great personality is considered Guru-tattva. He is a servant of Lord Caitanya, and a servant of His servants.
I write because this is a very important issue that requires immediate attention.
Thank you.
gHari Stevason
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The Story of the Hare Krsna Mantra
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Do you think that since George was a cancer victim and since he sang Hare Krsna that singing Hare Krsna causes cancer? Does it also imply that guitar playing causes cancer? Does it also imply that gardening causes cancer? Does it also imply that ....
What are you worth? Everything. Precious beyond words. May you come to know that truth.
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Canadians have no sense of humor, eh? Well, I just submitted this humour. The usual [insert favorite minority here] slur is replaced by a generic fictitious fall group:
And we will walk on the sun and show you just who is the greatest nation on this globe! Not only the funniest, but also the most technically dexterous.<font color="#dedfdf">The small island country of Wannabe was not to be upstaged by America's moon landing. They announced that they were about to launch a manned space mission to walk on the sun.
The American astronauts warned them that they would certainly burn up, likely long before they even reached the surface of the sun.
"Don't worry", said the Wannabe leader, "we're going at night".
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From International Herald Tribune
Thursday, December 20, 2001
Some Relatives Feel Emboldened Now to Inquire About the Missing
KABUL - Eight Taliban fighters kicked in the front door at dinnertime. They beat Shabnam's mother and grandmother, according to her relatives. Then they hustled the 9-year-old girl into a pickup truck, loot for their commanding officer. That was August 1997. Shabnam, who would be 13 now, is still not home.
Her sister saw her once, about two years ago. She heard that Shabnam had become the property of Colonel Shawali, a top Taliban security officer. So she went to his house and demanded to see her little sister. She was allowed to talk to her for five minutes, surrounded by Taliban gunmen, just long enough to see the fear in her eyes.
"Every time she sees someone who looks like Shabnam, she cries," said Islamodin, the sister's husband. Shabnam lived with the couple; her mother and grandmother were visiting at the time of the abduction.
"Her clothes are still in the house, and so are her dolls; everything reminds us of her," said Mr. Islamodin, who, like many Afghans, uses only one name. "When the Taliban were forced out of Kabul last month, we should have been happy. But we could only cry because she was not with us."
Taliban soldiers abducted many women and girls, perhaps hundreds or more, during their five-year rule of Afghanistan, according to Afghan families, officials of the incoming government and humanitarian aid groups. Many are still missing, and their stories are only now beginning to emerge. It is impossible to calculate the number kidnapped. Many families have never spoken out because of the stigma, especially strong in this conservative Muslim society, of having a daughter or sister sold for sex. Others fear that protesting could jeopardize the life of their missing loved ones. Mr. Islamodin and others interviewed spoke reluctantly, and they declined to be photographed or provide pictures of the kidnapped girls. But as a new government prepares to take office Saturday, and the climate of fear created by the Taliban begins to fade, more and more families are stepping forward to tell their stories publicly.
The abductions highlight a central hypocrisy of the Taliban. Their official policy was to revere women as jewels to be guarded by the men in their family. To the Taliban, that meant stripping women of virtually all rights, including education, and forcing them to stay either out of sight at home or covered head to toe by a burqa in public.
One of the most frequently told stories about Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban's spiritual leader, is how in the spring of 1994 he led a small band of followers to a warlord's base near the city of Kandahar to free two girls who had been abducted and repeatedly raped. Mullah Omar reportedly freed the girls, then hanged the warlord from the barrel of a tank to avenge his violent treatment of the girls.
But according to interviews with families and officials in Afghanistan and abroad, the Taliban were essentially a militia of illiterate young men who often abused their power in violent ways. That reportedly included claiming women and girls as sexual prizes.
General Mohammed Qasim, chief military prosecutor for the Northern Alliance, the collection of forces that led the fight to overthrow the Taliban, said in an interview that he believed at least 1,000 Afghan women were abducted by the Taliban.
"This is not what the Afghan people are like," said General Qasim, who will be a top Justice Ministry official in the new government. He promised that the new government would investigate as many cases as possible.
"It will be difficult to find many of them," he said. "We think many of these girls are no longer in Afghanistan. We think many of them may have been killed by the Taliban. But the parents want us to find them, and we will try."
General Qasim said that many of the girls were used as concubines by Taliban officers, some of whom kept a dozen or more.
He said that many others were sold as sexual slaves to wealthy Arabs through contacts arranged by the Qaida terrorist network of Osama bin Laden. Proceeds helped keep the cash-strapped Taliban afloat, he said.
Farhat Bokhari, a researcher for Human Rights Watch in New York, which recently released a report on the plight of Afghan women, said in a telephone interview that "whispers" about large numbers of abductions under the Taliban have emerged recently.
Mrs. Bokhari said that in interviews with Afghan women in refugee camps in Pakistan late last summer, "a few women said they had heard of more than 20 abductions; others gave estimates in the hundreds, so there's really no good accounting."
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From hospital bed:
http://www.ananova.com/yournews/story/sm_477213.html'I will transcend this body. I will have a new beginning after I leave this shell. I will be amongst the living. I will watch over Olivia and Dhani (his wife and son). I will live with them and through them.'
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World's funniest joke revealed after Internet vote:
<blockquote>LONDON: The world's funniest joke, voted by popular demand over the Internet, was unveiled on Wednesday by the British Association for the Advancement of Science (BA) after an experiment lasting three months.
Famed fictional detective Sherlock Holmes and his gruff assistant Doctor Watson pitch their tent while on a camping expedition, but in the middle of the night Holmes nudges Watson awake and questions him.
HOLMES: Watson, look up at the stars and tell me what you deduce.
WATSON: I see millions of stars, and if there are millions of stars, and if even a few of those have planets, it is quite likely there are some planets like earth, and if there are a few planets like earth out there there might also be life.
HOLMES: Watson, you idiot! Somebody stole our tent.
The BA said the joke was the most popular among 10,000 submitted, being chosen as the best by 47 percent of the 100,000 people from more than 70 countries who took part.
The jokes can be seen, made and rated on http://laughlab.co.uk. </blockquote>
Clearly someone forgot to enter the Audarya Fellowship Forums in the contest. Somewhere deep inside I am still laughing, from jokes posted months ago here. Even Lord Gauracandra's joke about the old man Advaita Prabhu who dragged Him here from His spiritual home is still chuckling in my belly.
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George was at Paul's new house in LA at end:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1410490100
<h2>This story appears to be not true - Paul says he's never owned a place anywhere in California</h2>
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Lashkar's professed ideology goes beyond merely challenging Indian rule in the northern state of Jammu and Kashmir.
In a pamphlet entitled Why Are We Waging Jihad, the group defines its agenda as the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_865000/865818.stm
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US unfortunately has to sweet-talk PAK for a while before they lend real support to India:
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I guess it is obvious why US and UK soft-peddled this news:
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His account indicates that on September 11, there were several aircraft hijacking squads, totally unaware of each other's existence, with targets ranging from the WTC in New York to the House of Commons in London to Rialto Towers in Melbourne, Australia. At least three additional targets, apart from those in New York and Washington, were short-listed for attack on September 11.
These targets were Rialto Towers in Australia, a 55-floor, 253-metre structure, the tallest in the southern hemisphere, the House of Commons in the United Kingdom, and the Parliament House in New Delhi. It is the selection of the last target that resulted in Afroz being charged with waging a war against the country.
Afroz has told police he was first recruited for the bomb plot by a group of south and west Asian students who used to meet regularly at the local Werribee Islamic Centre run by a Maulana Mansoor Illyas. This was in the Australian state of Victoria, Afroz said.
A group of 31 south and west Asian flying students used to meet at the al-Taqwa mosque, part of the local Werribee Islamic Centre. Among this group, Afroz says, were two of the hijackers of Indian Airlines flight IC-814, Shahid Akhtar and Zahoor Ahmad Mistry, who he knew as Sandy and Zia. Afroz as he claimed was not aware of any outfit called al-Qaeda as he claims that he took orders from Maulana Illyas.
Investigators suspect that Illyas may be one of the lieutenants of al-Qaeda, controlling the youths without their being aware that they were actually working for Osama bin Laden. Ilyas handpicked four groups of five pilots, Afroz says. It was he who instructed them to acquire higher levels of flight training, of the kind that would allow them to fly commercial jets.
In 1997, sponsored by his London-based maternal uncle Mubarak Musalman, Afroz joined Mistry Aviation, a training institute in Mazgaon in central Mumbai. Subsequently, Afroz left for the Royal Victorian Aero Club, run out of the Moorabbin Airport in Victoria, Australia.
Returning to India, Afroz left again in 1990, this time for the Tyler International School of Aviation in Texas. It is a premier institution, and fees for commercial courses run from US$24,800 to $27,800 (around Rs 13 lakh).
Investigators claim that Mistry and Akhtar also attended Tyler School shortly before the hijacking of IC-814. At the end of his time at Tyler, Afroz returned to India, spending several months with his family in the city.
In May 2000, he made a brief visit to Hong Kong to visit Maulana Ilyas. They met at the Pakistan Hotel, a cheap place mostly used by travellers from the sub-continent. His passport entries corroborate his statements of visiting Hong Kong. This is thought to be the place when the final plan was made for the suicide attack on the House of Commons.
In July that year, Afroz was again sent for a training course, this time at the top-flight Cabair College of Air Training at the Cranfield Airport near Bedford, in the UK. Known for its exorbitant fees and elitist class of training, the Cabair College trains pilots for several commercial airlines and charges a whopping UK £47,235 (Rs 30 lakh) for its Integrated Professional Airline Pilot's course.
A pilot trained at Cabair is eligible to fly large passenger jets like the Boeing 757 and 767 that flew into the WTC.
As Afroz and his team received the orders for the London-Manchester flight on September 11, Ilyas had also issued the same orders to the team in New York, said intelligence sources.
According to Afroz, though Maulana Ilyas had given final orders to him on September 9, the tickets were purchased only on the afternoon of September 10.
However, it was the time difference between New York and London that gave the game away, as several flights all around the world, including the London-Manchester that Afroz was to board, were immediately cancelled. Afroz realised that other al-Qaeda teams had succeeded.
Afroz's background gives some insight into his possible motivation. The son of a poor tailor, Abdul Razzaq, he studied till Std 12. His brother, Mohammad Farooq, built a profitable business as a customs agent, but Afroz was drawn to politics.
In the wake of the communal riots of 1992-1993, Afroz toyed with the idea of joining the Students' Islamic Movement of India, which, until then, was a legitimate outfit. Soon after the WTC attacks, all the ringleaders went underground, leaving their foot soldiers in the lurch. Afroz then returned to India on September 12.
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Tarunji, then who is pulling the strings of the jihad terrorists in India and Israel and all over the world? Is that also the CIA/Presidents/Jews. It all seems just a little too complicated for me. Who is getting rich on all this cocaine? It all sounds too much to me like white supremacy, KKK, bomb the clinics what's-his-name psycho Krishna boy skiing in the mountains. Who staged Pearl Harbour, Nazis, Kashmir, a thousand years of India torment, the Mongols?
I would suggest that if your theories are correct it would be wise to keep it quiet before such criminals decide to eradicate you. If you are wrong, then you do a great disservice to Lord Caitanya by being just another crazy cult nut.
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We don't want religion because it gets in our way of enjoyment. We are too attached. The only way to hook our interest is through these other touchy-feely topics with real benefits for ME. Perhaps then some will start waking up, and gradually Jesus or Supersoul can work their magic.
As we all know, remembering God is anticeptic. But we like the disease, just as pigs really enjoy their mud and stool sty. So most people will become angry at the mention of God, for anger is the result when attachments are not satisfied.
This explanation also explains the need for a variety of religious disciplines as noted by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura:
http://geocities.com/caitanyamahaprabhu/garland.htm/#nonsectarian
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We don't want religion because it gets in our way of enjoyment. We are too attached. The only way to hook our interest is through these other touchy-feely topics with real benefits for ME. Perhaps then some will start waking up, and gradually Jesus or Supersoul can work their magic.
As we all know, remembering God is anticeptic. But we like the disease, just as pigs really enjoy their mud and stool sty. So most people will become angry at the mention of God, for anger is the result when attachments are not satisfied.
This explanation also explains the need for a variety of religious disciplines as noted by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura:
http://geocities.com/caitanyamahaprabhu/garland.htm/#nonsectarian
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The writer of that article is also a cheater in at least one place.
He has omitted the words "Be patient", which imply that Bingo knew that more murders were about to happen. He clearly admits knowing about the attack beforehand, making him an accessory before the fact, whether or not he actually planned the disaster.
I have no problem with him being dead.
I have no problem with anyone being dead who is planning and training and plotting to kill innocents. They're all just a waste of flesh anyway. I will take great pleasure in the deaths of those plotting to cleanse India of Hindus.
They're all destined to become asexual microbes where they will find unlimited virgins to enjoy. Praise be to Allah.
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I did not like the derogatory comparison between the Hindu religion and the Buddhist 'religion'. Here is a more authorative view: