paul108

Probably the same cheaters who put him in office also made arrangements for the attack on 9/11. It's not hard to see how his oil and military friends are making money off this.

I did not celebrate anyone's suffering. I feel distressed whenever I'm aware of living entities suffering, but remembering Krishna removed my distress and I felt wonderful. I had just been instructed in Bhagavad-gita class that seeing any spectacular thing should remind one of Krsna. Maybe all of the USA is in fear, but awareness that death may be near is very good incentive to begin serving Krishna. Perhaps we should forget about blowing up the Middle East, and spread Krishna consciousness. When I watched the destruction I celebrated everyone who died as heroes, and I thought it was wonderful. I did not feel sorry for them at all, and I believe that the lives were sacrificed for the ultimate good of the world. I read every day about the destruction committed by Americans throughout the world, and I frequently witness Americans terrorizing living entities everywhere. How could this attack not be considered to have been a retaliation? I did not realize that maya was so heavy that Krishna's devotees would promote war as the right action instead of glorifying Krishna's holy name. I am presuming to be having a discussion with people who are devotees of Krishna, not ordinary people. I do not discuss this way with ordinary people. I've been criticized here for speaking out against the USA and repeatedly threatened, but I am also a citizen of the United States in the bodily conception, and believe I am excercizing my right of free speach for anyone's benefit. I did not expect that devotees of Krishna would have such twisted ideas of patriotism to consider that I should be murdered for sharing my feelings. I assumed that everyone who might read my opinions would have a fairly clear understanding of Krishna's explaination to Arjuna of the qualities of the soul and would not be bewildered by mundane nationalism. I thought about the examples given of Malati's child being scalded, and Srila Prabhupada chastizing his disciple for breaking the dish. Protecting children is a duty that should be obvious to everyone, but what may not be obvious is that Krishna's name gives all protection. When the devotee dropped the dish, the dish broke to alert the aspiring devotee that she was being inattentive in her service. She knew it was Krsna's will that it broke, but she didn't arrive at the actual purport without hearing it from Srila Prabhupada, which was that she should be attentive in her service to Krishna. I also heard that devotees were chanting Krishna's names at the WTC a week before the attack, which leads me to believe that a lot of people went back to Godhead. I would have to be insane not to be joyful when that happened. Hari bol. [This message has been edited by paul108 (edited 09-24-2001).]

Free speech? Either the terrorists destroyed more than buildings, or that misrepresentation of freedom is what they were angry about. It's not that you must agree or you should kill me. How is that freedom? How is that so-called freedom worth protecting? The corporate empires have eraticated so many cultures and species. Who could doubt that someone would want to strike back hard? I do my best to minimize the harm I cause to the world, always remember Krishna, and engage in devotional service to His name, form, etc, though I am not yet very advanced in devotional service. Why would it be ok to silence me with a bullet? Who has the right to ask me to leave the land of my birth when I have harmed no one and yet suffer every day in my material life on account of everyone's desire to lord it over nature. What to speak of unity when you would kill a practically harmless American bodied aspiring devotee? I cannot help that I felt so joyful when I first heard that the WTC was hit by an airplane and as I watched the morning's events on TV. If I were put unwillingly into a war I could not take a weapon, only kartals and Hari nama. Then it would be ok for me to be killed, but if I were killed, who would be responsible to protect my wife and children? I'm sorry for the misery felt by the living, but mostly I was estacic knowing that no one died. hari bol, prabhus. y/s paul108 agtsp

I forgot that I had such great freedom of expression. In the spirit of free expression, let me celebrate the waves of joy I felt when seeing those buildings destroyed. It felt like such a great retaliation against some of the worst aspects of our country. Everyone's calling the airplane hijackers and their allies "terrorists," but I've been more afraid of my own countrymen. Now I'm mainly just sick of seeing all these flags. As for the rest of the ordeal, I'm hoping that most of the killing is limitated to assasinations of misguided political leaders and other scoundrels. It would be nicer if the demons in charge of our government would get removed from office by our own people, but after seeing recent national policies enacted, I don't really care who does the dirty work. In spite of all this country's faults, I don't want to leave, and I do take offense at requests to do so. If anyone's disgusted by my difference of opinion, just remember that you don't have to read it again. I still have to see hundreds of flags day after day, a frequent reminder of our collective stupidity. Paul