suchandra

 

I think you answered your own question there and the point is of strategic importance in getting ISKCON reformed and functional again.

These points are the life of ISKCON dynamics.

Without this process and system, then we end up with tyrants and despots in control of ISKCON.

 

I never saw the original text written by Prabhupada, anyone has the link?

 

One of the BIGGEST issues in ISKCON today is also Jayapataka Swami setting on a throne in Mayapur.

the GBC needs to get him off that throne back down to Earth where he belongs.

 

Talk about the residue from zonal acharya days?

Jayapataka in Mayapura is the king of zonal acharyas and is alive and well.

 

Clearly, he makes followers just with the image he projects setting on that throne in Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir.

 

He creates followers with image instead of substance.

 

But isnt that all locked down in the ISKCON constitution? How and by whom new GBC members are appointed or in case someone deviated - by whose vote a GBC man is replaced?

What about when the whole GBC board is not any more following the precise ISKCON constitution, who is supposed to correct that situation?

How can it be that the GBC board has whatsoever no implemented control-instance?

If this is actually the case this is a quite questionable system which can be clearly labeled as totalitarian dictatorship and such a system should be brought to the attention of human rights orgs as highly susceptible to corruption and be changed so that GBC members have to be elected/re-elected approx. every third year by the temple presidents who themselves are elected by the temple members.

Wasnt this the main reason for inventing the election systems because in kali-yuga 99% of totalitarian leaders are unqualified and cheat their own people?

A man suffered a serious heart attack and had an open-heart bypass surgery. He awakened from the surgery to find himself in the care of nuns at a Catholic hospital. As he was recovering, a nun asked him questions regarding how he would like to pay for his treatment. She asked if he had health insurance. He replied, in a raspy voice, "No health insurance."

The nun asked if he had money in the bank. He replied, "No money in the bank."

The nun asked, "Do you have a relative who could help you?" He said, "I only have a spinster sister, who is a nun."

The nun became agitated and announced loudly, "Nuns are not spinsters! Nuns are married to God."

The patient replied, "Well, then send the bill to my brother-in-law."

Study: AIDS on track to be No. 3 killer worldwide

 

Global numbers

- 2006 - 39,5 millions live with HIV of which 37,2 million are adults, 17,7 million woman and 2,3 million children below age 15.

- Since 2004 the number of AIDS transmission increased to 2,6 million people annually .

- Newly infected 2006 globally, 4,3 million people of which are 530.000 children below age 15.

- In total there will be this year 2,9 million dieing of AIDS, of which are 2,6 million adults.

 

AIDS will become the No. 3 cause of death worldwide within the next 25 years, trailing only heart disease and stroke, a study published today concludes.

Today AIDS ranks fourth behind heart disease, stroke, and respiratory infections, and accounts for roughly 2.9 million deaths annually. But in a revision of global mortality projections, researchers estimate that by 2030, nearly 120 million people could die from HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, according to the study in PLoS Medicine, a journal published by the Public Library of Science. When projections were last calculated 10 years ago, researchers assumed AIDS cases would be declining, not rising.

Food for Thought - in many parts of the world, ISKCON lost the plot....

 

Food For Thought

 

submitted by Tapapunjah (from an email exchange)

Priyavrata Prabhu,

Please accept my obeisances. Jai Srila Prabhupada!

Thank you for taking the time to visit me in the garden. I am lamenting that I didn’t get to spend more time with you. Knitting together the connection between the distribution of prasadam and the supply of “purified bhoga” for KC farm communities is such a worthy goal to strive for. The general public is unaware that many organic farming operations maintain their soil fertility levels through the use of soil amendments such as blood meal, bone meal, fish emulsion etc. These amendments are all the by-products of the slaughter industry and are what’s called OMRI approved. OMRI is an acronym for the Organic Materials Research Institure, a clearing house for what can and can’t be used in certified organic farming operations. In my preaching to guests, I make a major point of this sobering and uncomfortable fact to clearly distinguish between cruelty free agriculture and karmically binding agriculture. Karma free vegetarian meals, as FFL’s mission statement indicates, must begin literally from the ground up. The animal rights/vegan people would easily rally around the concept of cruelty free vegetable and grain production. In a day of two, my brochure will arrive via snail-mail. It’s a bit dated but still useful. Thank you for adding SANTEE Farm and Gardens as a link on your site. Any question, I’m at your service.

Tapahpunja Dasa (Terry on the website)

www.farmeducation.org

 

 

Tapahpunja prabhu,

Please accept my obeisances. Jay Prabhupada!

Thank you for your wonderful service. I just returned from the GREEN FESTIVAL in San Francisco and in DC. We had a booth at the DC show and I just networked at the San Fran show. Everyone loves to learn about FFL. The more I study the green revolution going on right now, the more I realize how relevant FFL is and how relevant ISKCON can be. The Krishna movement is the original “green” movement, but somehow in many parts of the world, ISKCON lost the plot. It is so nice that we have devotees like yourself trying to get everyone back on track. You have my full support. I love this connection of FFL and pure agriculture.

We need to strategize and work out practical ways that we can help each other.

Let’s plan to chat on the phone later in the week.

ys Priyavrata das

FFL Global

C: 571 277 2329

O: 301 987 5883

 

Yes, Guruvani, I would also support Theist's kind advice. Move on.

If your faith is in a ritvik sytem pursue this with full conviction, as such is beneficial to faith. But please also honor others faith, as they also need it nurtured.

 

If you support ritvik, this is not so important an issue in our relationship standing. That which is in the heart is what matters. I wish you many blessings.

 

When Ravana stole Sita and Hanuman was troubled to bring her back to Lord Ramachandra would it have made sense if you told Hanumanji, well, move on prabhuji, this incident of Sita devi's kidnapping was in the past, why are you stuck in the past, are you still normal - look ahead be positive.

Dear Bija&co such advice really hurts!

A real nice quality for humanities wellbeing when engaged in teaching bhagavat dharma......

 

Women talk three times as much as men, says study

 

By FIONA MACRAE Last updated at 13:39pm on 28th November 2006

 

It is something one half of the population has long suspected - and the other half always vocally denied. Women really do talk more than men.

 

 

In fact, women talk almost three times as much as men, with the average woman chalking up 20,000 words in a day - 13,000 more than the average man.

 

Women also speak more quickly, devote more brainpower to chit-chat - and actually get a buzz out of hearing their own voices, a new book suggests.

The book - written by a female psychiatrist - says that inherent differences between the male and female brain explain why women are naturally more talkative than men.

In The Female Mind, Dr Luan Brizendine says women devote more brain cells to talking than men.

And, if that wasn't enough, the simple act of talking triggers a flood of brain chemicals which give women a rush similar to that felt by heroin addicts when they get a high.

Dr Brizendine, a self-proclaimed feminist, says the differences can be traced back to the womb, where the sex hormone testosterone moulds the developing male brain.

The areas responsible for communication, emotion and memory are all pared back the unborn baby boy.

The result is that boys - and men - chat less than their female counterparts and struggle to express their emotions to the same extent.

"Women have an eight-lane superhighway for processing emotion, while men have a small country road," said Dr Brizendine, who runs a female "mood and hormone" clinic in San Francisco.

There are, however, advantages to being the strong, silent type. Dr Brizendine explains that testosterone also reduces the size of the section of the brain involved in hearing - allowing men to become "deaf" to the most logical of arguments put forward by their wives and girlfriends.

But what the male brain may lack in converstation and emotion, they more than make up with in their ability to think about sex.

Dr Brizendine says the brain's "sex processor" - the areas responsible for sexual thoughts - is twice as big as in men than in women, perhaps explaining why men are stereotyped as having sex on the mind.

Or, to put it another way, men have an international airport for dealing with thoughts about sex, "where women have an airfield nearby that lands small and private planes".

Studies have shown that while a man will think about sex every 52 seconds, the subject tends to cross women's minds just once a day, the University of California psychiatrist says.

Dr Brizendine, whose book is based on her own clinical work and analyses of more than 1,000 scientific studies, added: "There is no unisex brain.

"Girls arrive already wired as girls, and boys arrive already wired as boys. Their brains are different by the time they're born, and their brains are what drive their impulses, values and their very reality.

"I know it is not politically correct to say this but I've been torn for years between my politics and what science is telling us.

"I believe women actually perceive the world differently from men.

"If women attend to those differences they can make better decisions about how to manage their lives."

Other scientists, however, are sceptical about the effects of testosterone on the brain and say many of the differences between the male and female personality can be explained by social conditioning, with a child's upbringing greatly influencing their character.

Deborah Cameron, an Oxford University linguistics professor with a special interest in language and gender, said the amount we talk is influenced by who we are with and what we are doing.

She added: "If you aggregate a large number of studies you will find there is little difference between the amount men and women talk." Already available in the US, The Female Brain will be available in the UK from April.

Prabhupada: "So Krsna, if you cannot meet Krsna, you can meet with Krsna's representative. Krsna may not be physically present, but His representative is physically present. You can talk with him. That is the system of Bhagavad-gita. Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh. Parampara. Krsna says that "I talked with the sun-god." Imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam. "First of all I talked with the sun-god." Vivasvan manave praha. "Then he talked with his son, Manu. Then Manu talked with Iksvaku. In this way..." Evam parampara-praptam, there is a disciplic succession. So if you can be in touch with that disciplic succession, then Krsna's representative is there. If you talk with the Krsna's representative, then you talk with Krsna. Just like in office, there are different departments, and the, there is a man, departmental-in-charge. So if you can talk with that departmental-in-charge, if you can please him, that means you are pleasing the proprietor or director. There is no doubt. Because he is representative. So physically you may not meet Krsna, but in higher stage, you can meet. But accepting that you cannot..., but He, you have to be in contact with His representative. That is coming in disciplic succession. Then you talk with Krsna. It is not difficult. The acaryas are there. Acaryam mam vijaniyam. Krsna says. "All the acaryas," mam vijaniyam, "they are Myself." Navamanyeta karhicit, "Never disregard acarya." Acaryam mam vijaniyam navaman..., na martya-buddhyasuyeta "Do not be envious: `How he can be? He's ordinary man. How he can be representative?' " No. Anyone who is talking of Krsna as Krsna talked, he's Krsna's representative. Krsna says that "I am the Supreme." So if anyone says, "Krsna is supreme," then he's Krsna's representative. It is not very difficult. Because the same talking. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. If somebody says that "You surrender to Krsna," then he's Krsna's representative. But if somebody says, "Krsna is not God. I am God," then he's not representative. To talk with Krsna is not difficult. You find out the representative, talk with him, and you are talking with Krsna. That's all." (Room Conversation, July 11, 1973, London)

 

Someone might ask how can I talk with the guru, if he is not present on this planet?

In order to take care of 77,000 tons of nuclear waste for the next 100 years some $ 70 billion dollars have to be spent. At least the whole country isnt turned into a waste dump - although we learn again every action has a reaction we have to pay for, so on the one side we get atomic energy, while on the other side we get atomic waste, which is highly toxic and cannot be disposed of in any way for hundreds and thousands of years.

 

Nuclear waste dump faces new roadblocks

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WASHINGTON - When Congress targeted Nevada as the nation's nuclear waste dumping ground, the state didn't have the political power to say no. Twenty years later, the most ardent foe of the <FORM class=yqin action=http://yq.search./search method=post></FORM>Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump is about to become Senate majority leader. Nevada Democratic Sen. Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record)'s new job, which gives him control over what legislation reaches the Senate floor, could deal a crippling blow to the already stumbling project. </NOSCRIPT>

Among Reid's first acts after this month's election was to convene a conference call with home-state reporters to declare Yucca Mountain "dead right now."

"It sure is different now than when I came (to the Senate) in 1986," the senator observed.

The dump 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas is planned as the first national repository for radioactive waste. It's supposed to hold 77,000 tons of the material — from commercial power plants reactors and defense sites across the nation — for thousands of years. About 50,000 tons of the waste is now stored in temporary sites at 65 power plants in 31 states. Reid would leave all of it in place.

Originally targeted to open in 1998, Yucca Mountain has been repeatedly set back by lawsuits, money shortfalls and scientific controversies. The Energy Department's best-case opening date is now 2017.

The effort to create a national storage site has already cost about $9 billion, $6.5 billion of which has been spent on Yucca. Four years ago, the Energy Department estimated the project would cost $58 billion to build and operate for the first 100 years. New cost projections are being worked up, and they are expected to total more than $70 billion.

The department proposed legislation earlier this year meant to fix problems with the dump, which is a mounting liability to taxpayers because the government was contractually obligated to take nuclear waste off utilities' hands starting in 1998. Energy Department officials say at least one legislative change — formally withdrawing land around the dump site — is needed before construction can begin.

Reid, however, pledged after the Nov. 7 election that not only will no bill to help Yucca Mountain reach the Senate floor under his leadership, funding for the project also will dry up quickly. Annual spending on the dump that has ranged between $450 million and $550 million in recent years "will be cut back significantly, that will be for sure," he vowed.

Reid said he couldn't single-handedly kill the dump outright, something that would require a vote of Congress and approval by<FORM class=yqin action=http://yq.search./search method=post></FORM>President Bush. But he added: "There's not much to kill."

The project also is losing some of its most persistent supporters as Republicans relinquish control of Congress. Senate Energy Committee Chairman Pete Domenici, R-N.M., has been a vocal advocate for years; he'll be replaced by Sen. Jeff Bingaman (news, bio, voting record), D-N.M., who supports Yucca Mountain but is viewed by Nevada officials as more open to their viewpoints.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., who will chair the Environment and Public Works Committee with authority over some aspects of the project, is a vocal Yucca Mountain opponent. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., worked unsuccessfully to corral opposition to the project in a crucial House vote four years ago, when she was minority whip.

Administration and industry officials insist the changing of the guard on Capitol Hill won't be the death knell for the project. About 1,500 people in Nevada are now employed there.

Yucca Mountain also has lured research grants to the University of Nevada, and even Reid aides say some spending should be maintained.

"I don't think the program's gone off the edge by any means," said David Blee, executive director the U.S. Transport Council, an industry group that works on nuclear waste transportation. "It'll be more complicated and take a more creative approach, and more of an approach outside the (Washington) beltway."

Supporters say they will now focus on submitting a required license application to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The Energy Department wants to do that in 2008 and it's not dependent on congressional action, though severe budget cuts would be an impediment.

Reid says putting the highly radioactive wastes in dry storage casks at power plants will keep it safe for 100 years or more. To industry officials and the Energy Department, that's no answer.

"Leaving everything where it is, is not a solution to the problem," said Edward F. "Ward" Sproat, director of the department's Office of Civilian Radioactive Waste Management.

 

Failure to pursue the Yucca project, Sproat said, "is pushing the solution off to future generations, which is pretty much what's been happening with this program up until now."

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On the Net:

State of Nevada Agency for Nuclear Projects: http://www.state.nv.us/nucwaste/

Energy Department Office of Civilian Radioactive Waste Management: http://www.ocrwm.doe.gov/ Sen. Harry Reid: http://reid.senate.gov/

 

I only chant 4 rounds a day

 

Why dont you try to chant 5 rounds?

 

What is the Vaisnava view on circumcision?

 

It originates not even from the Old Testament but in the ancient Voodoo cults of African tribes. Since Israel is next to Agypt=Africa it might have been introduced from there. Every African tribe had certain ways to make them distinguish from other tribes and thats it. Of course one also could explain the rites of voodoo to understand the African "esoteric meaning" of circumcision but basically it is to create togetherness. In the Vedas there's no such thing as circumcision. It is nothing but some bodily brand marking.

November 25, 2006

 

Kazakhstan: Not Nice?News

 

Jagshemash. I’ve seen Borat twice and I’m enchanted; I’m also aware that many of you aren’t. Some of you worry that Kazakhstan is being exploited and humiliated in a huge way, since the movie is so popular. I understand, especially since the movie is depicting a country that is more fictional than real— the “village” scenes were filmed in Romania and neither Russian nor Kazakh are ever spoken (Borat speaks Hebrew mingled with a few other things to Azamat, who replies back in Armenian).

Anyway, since “Borat” isn’t about the real Kazakhstan, I thought I’d find out more about the quondam Soviet republic:

 

 

 

 

Well that just proves that Borat has nothing to do with the Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan— he picks on Jews and Gypsies but says nothing regarding Hindus. Meanwhile, in the land he was supposedly acquiring cultural learnings for…

 

When Tony Blair met with Kazakhstan’s President, Nursultan Nazarbayev in London, he rightly expressed concern about such disturbing events, which are apparently targeting ISKCON devotees and their temple. But it’s not just about a temple:

 

 

Hmmm. The government of Kazakhstan maintains that the temple was built illegally, but that doesn’t explain why the homes of Hindus are also being destroyed. Predictably, ISKCON coordinated a protest outside Kazakhstan’s embassy:

 

 

 

…10 dozen ISKON devotees were pushed out of their homes in the winter chill as authorities knocked down their houses into rubble.[link] Now I’m going to be as ignorant as the character I find so hilarious and ask my mutineers a question: does it matter to you that this is about an ISKCON temple? Does it lessen your potential outrage? I don’t know a ton about this group, I just remember seeing them at airports and that my parents had nothing to say about them, when asked. Combine this memory with some of the comments a few of you have made about ISKCON and I think we have an explanation for my confusion. Was I wrong about your ambivalence? Enlighten me, why don’t you…

 

That is really sad if India is falling apart because India is the backbone of religion in the world and without it I am afraid the world will become completely inhospitable for sane minded men.

 

When it comes to "Help buy Chile", the billions are just floating in like anything:

 

Douglas Tompkins (founder of global Esprit fashion chain): "..So, I'm going to get together a few of my billionare friends including Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Fred Smith, George Soros, and Warrent Buffett and see if we can take out second mortgages on our homes and maybe buy the whole country of Chile outright. I checked, with a GDP of $169B, I'd put the value of the country at 4X, or $800B. With 20% down, we would be looking at a 30 year mortgage of what, $4 Billion a month? That should be doable. We're filthy rich. What else are we going to do with our money? If buying Chile is not within your means, I think you can donate to Deep Ecology, Tompkins' foundation, here and help continue to preserve Patagonia on a smaller scale..."

 

When it comes to open a single examplary vedic farming project, nothing, zero, happens.

 

Prof Richard Weikart, again, as horrified by student views on the moral

neutrality of Hitler:

 

A number of years ago two intelligent students surprised me in a class

discussion by defending the proposition that Hitler was neither good nor

evil. Though I kept my composure, I was horrified. One of the worst mass

murderers in history wasn't evil? How could they believe this? How could

they justify such a view?

 

They did it by appealing to Darwinism.

 

More: http://post-darwinist.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-did-hitler-believe-

about.html

 

This is just another "ISKCON internal" highlight - Hitler was ok because he fits into Charles Darwin's evolution theory...nice ISKCON katha!!

 

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, liebe Freunde,

 

am 28.11.2006 ist die Vernissage zu meiner Ausstellung "Neuseeland", dazu

möchte ich euch herzlichst einladen.

 

Location: "DAStietz" im Lichthof - Moritzstraße 20 in Chemnitz

www.dastietz.de

 

Vernissage: 18.00 Uhr

Ausstellungsdauer: 27.11. - 22.12.2006

 

 

 

Pressetext:

371 Stadtmagazin November 2006

 

Von einem Heimkehrer der auszog

 

Es ist immer schön, wenn die verlorenen Kinder dieser Stadt wieder einmal

heimkehren um zu zeigen, was sie so in der Fremde gelernt haben. Ende

November

kommt der Fotograf André Wagner zurück in die Stadt seiner ersten

Schnappschüsse. Der 26-jährige hat hier eine Menge Fans, die seine

ungewöhnliche Sicht der Dinge lieben. Auch wir vom 371 taten das und so war

André bis vor drei Jahren einer unserer meistbeschäftigten Fotografen. Dann

zog

es ihn nach Berlin und, wem wunderts bei dem Talent, er machte Karriere.

Aber

nicht nur das, auf der Suche nach neuen Eindrücken zum Abdrücken bereiste er

die halbe Welt (fast). In Chemnitz wird er nun beeindruckende Fotografien

von

Neuseeland zeigen. Beeindruckend deshalb, weil André Wagners Naturfotos

nicht

nur Ablichtungen von Wälder, Wiesen und Bergen sind, sondern dem

Festgehaltenem

eine Seele geben. Also: Hingehen und verzaubern lassen.

 

 

 

 

André S. Wagner

Fotograf

Seelower Strasse 17

10439 Berlin

Germany

M: +49 175 815 9305

P: +49 30 4000 3192

E: info (AT) andre-wagner (DOT) com

I: www.andre-wagner.com

I: www.cosmic-snake.de

 

This is quite bewildering, Dina Sharana dd (ACBSP), GBC, is posting here at a Vaishnava forum under "ISKCON internal" an invitation for an exhibition which has nothing to do with ISKCON or KC.....?? Why not make a Vaishnava exhibition or present some Vaishnava artists? Especially the place where she is the GBC is actually in quite bad shape (the yatra is haunted by debts of 2 million dollars), why not advertise for spiritual programs to uplift the situation? The meaning of GBC is to be responsible for spiritual imrovement not for helping non-Vaishnavas to increase their materiel ego.

posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 11:17 PM

http://o3.indiatimes.com/pride/archive/2006/11/24/2738908.aspx

 

Britain is communal, so it’s PM Tony Blair and its MPs protest and speak out against Kazakh harassment of Hindu! India is secular, so neither its government nor parliamentarians, have a single word against Kazakh harassment of Hindus. Only BJP condemned the demolition of a Hindu temple in Kazakhstan and expressed surprise over government's silence over the issue.

 

 

Kazakhstan , the largest republic in Central Asia with a population of over 15 million, comprises over 130 ethnic groups who practice 40 religions. Ethnic Russians, who typically are traditionally members of the Russian Orthodox Church, constitute around a third of the population while ethnic Kazakhs, who are Sunni Muslims, make up half.

 

At a recent meeting held in Almaty and chaired by A.M. Muhkashov, the deputy director of the Kazakh government Region Committee, the ISKCON delegation was clearly told that Hindus do not have a place in Kazakhstan .

 

Is our secular government in coma?

Are Hindus no place and no votes in India? Is tolerance means to give liberty for playing vote bank politics to disunite Indians? While Britain is taking up this issue, our own secular government will never do anything for the Hindus in Kazakhstan. What did our secular government in Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Fiji, and Malaysia or elsewhere?

 

Demolition of Hindu temples in Malaysia

The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has come to learn of several cases involving the demolition or at least partial damage of Hindu temples in Malaysia following orders by government authorities. Furthermore, in addition to such acts, which are a violation of domestic laws, those ordered to carry out the destruction have used force and caused injuries to the devotees of the temples .

 

Only Hindu temple in Moscow had been demolished

Hindus all over the world expressed outrage and anger after a leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, Archbishop Nikon called the Hindu God, Lord Krishna an ‘evil demon’ around the time of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan’s state visit to Moscow to meet Russian President Putin.

The only Hindu temple in Moscow had been demolished last year, leaving some 15,000 Indians and 10,000 Russian followers of Hinduism without a place of worship. Now the Mayor of Moscow and the Russian Orthodox Church are together trying to stop Hindus from

“Now, the Russian Hindu community in Moscow have no place to house the consecrated Deities they had worshipped for the last decade,” claimed Dr Mihir Meghani, President of the Hindu American Foundation.

 

Buddha statue Demolished by Taliban

In my previous articles I have sighted how Hindu temples and ancient religious books of Hinduism are being damaged and burnt there. Burning of Hindu books and libraries and the places of worship in Nepal after abolishment the Hindu Kingdom reminds us Nazi’s ‘funeral pyre of the intellect’ & demolition of Buddha statue by Taliban. Who kills people burns books? I reproduce here three stanza of my poem of the article mentioned above.

 

Insult of Hindu god and goddesses abroad

Without hesitation intentionally our god and goddesses are insulted in foreign countries. For example:

“Toronto Star” selected and published this "NUDE" picture by ignoring three following "Dressed & Decent Durga" pictures available on Reuters that time At last, The Toronto Star published an unconditional apology along with an appropriate Durga image.This apology was published in the same section where the initial nude Durga image was published. The apology reads:

"On Oct. 4. the Star published a photo of an unfinished depiction of the Hindu goddess Maa Durga. Members of Toronto's Hindu community took great exception to this goddess being presented in an undignified manner. The above picture shows the goddess in an appropriate manner. The Star regrets that publication of the original photo has caused anguish and apologizes to the Hindu community."

 

Secular Indian Government!!

Indian Govt. acted promptly on dargah which was being demolished in Vadodara f or widening roads. After that more than hundred Hindu temples are demolished in Mumbai without any hurdle. Govt. is silent over the demolition of the famous Krishna temple in Moscow and a century- old Hindu temple in Malaysia. Prime Minister of India Manmohan Singh called up the Denmark Prime Minister to object to the publication of the offensive cartoon caricaturing the Prophet.

 

SIMI and Seculars

I would like to remind the UP Chief Minister that his own state police have arrested six SIMI activists in connection with last year's attack on the Ayodhya temple. So many cases were in the court for hearing but for getting votes and support his government took back and many SIMI leaders became free from the prisons. T here have been several attacks and explosions on Hindu temples and even Malegaon blasts on the pious Friday of Ramzan in India by the terrorists with the support of SIMI. Congress including Sonia Gandhi, Ambika Soni and Sriprkash Jaiswal had opposed the NDA for banning SIMI.

 

Shri Shri Ravi Shankar on Ram Janmabhoomi

There was a livetelecast program related to four days Art of Living camp at Mumbai of Shri Shri Ravi Shankar on Nov 23. One participant asked about the allegation related to RSS or VHP linking of Shri Shri. Ravi Shakar jee gave answer in detail but in the simple way. He said that he embrassed to all without discriminating caste, religion or ideology and party politics. Even he met naxaltes, Hurriyats or terrorists. There should be common law for all even withoutgender bias. The same may be said by others. Birth places Christ and Mohammed Paigamber should be respected. Like that crores and crores believe and want the temple of Ram Janmbhoomi. This may be gifted by others for unity and as the sign of love and co-existance. This is his thinking. There my be same or opposite to this views.

 

In December 1999, the Director of CIA George Tenet and State Department Coordinator for Counterterrorism Michael Sheen testified before a Senate subcommittee that US has evidence that Pakistan is a state-sponsor of terrorism against India. Muslim conquerors destroyed over 5,000 temples in North India, including those at the sites holiest for Hindus. They built mosques there instead, which have no particular significance to Islam. In order to reconstruct their holiest temple, Hindu organizations have offered compromises to Muslims. Pakistan sponsored terrorists destroyed the hospitals, Hindu and Sikh temples and the church of Baramula.

 

Colonial British records maintain that efforts to replace the mosque with a temple had been on since before independence in 1947, but had been continually stymied by both the central government and various Indian courts.

 

As per Ramayan & Hindu Mythology the site of Ram 's birth is situated in the city of Ayodhya in Faizabad district of Uttar Pradesh state of India . Ayodhya is a city sacred to devotees of Vishnu , who Hindus believe took birth as King Ram, and has several temples devoted to the deity. The Ayodhya of Ram is believed to have existed in the Treta Yuga of the Hindu calendar, about 900,000 years ago to 1.3 Millions of years ago. In 1528 , the Rama Mandir is Demolished & the Babri

Masjid is constructed on the orders of the Mughal leader Babur .

 

Who were underground on Vandematram Day?

Sonia was underground with PM and other Congress Ministers on the occasion of Vandemataram day to appease Muslims: Govinda may say if Vande Mataram becomes Vande Mat Rome, then his Sonia Mata participate the national function, other wise not?

The British government banned the song, but it was the Congress that sang it as an expression of protest against British rule."

Now on Sept 7, 2006 instead of pre-independence Congress now BJP sang ‘Vandematram’ as and expression of protest against Italian rule. Instead of British Govt. now Italian Mussolinism influenced UPA Govt. made mandatory to sing national song (partially banned). Now vote bank politicians stabbed ‘Khanjar’ on the back of nationalism to call ‘patriotism’ a matter of choice.

Many ‘ Martyr ’ hanged in the British Rule with this song on their lips.

 

MF Hussain: London Vs India

The Times of India (May 24) carried a story of an exhibition held in Asia House in London of two nude portrayals of Hindu goddesses drawn by M.F.Husain—and the shocking thing is that the exhibition was inaugurated by none else than India’s High Commissioner, Kamalesh Sharma, who is probably telling himself how liberal Hindus are and how forgiving even when their gods and goddesses are mocked and insulted.

 

 

The Secretary General of the Forum, Ramesh Kallidai told The Times of India: “In the case of Da Vinci Code, the authorities slapped an ‘A’ certificate. When it came to the Prophet’s cartoons, PM personally condemned them. India was one of the first to ban Rushdie’s book, The Satanic Verses. Why should artistic freedom only be enjoyed by those who hurt and insult Hindus?”

 

Due to ‘Hindu Human Rights protest Tony Blair banned the exhibition.

 

On revenge website of Hindu Human Rights, the group of young activists who helped shut down the offensive exhibition of M.F. Husain in London, has been blocked by the UPA regime!

 

Hindus themselves are culprits and victims who have given free hand to them to ruin our culture and country.

 

They know that Hindus are divided though they are in majority. Educated and upper caste Hindus are not interested to vote. SC/TB/OBC among them uses their voting right. Due to this ‘Arjun’ is on forefront for religion and caste based reservation quota system and to appease minority to ruin Indian ancient culture and glorious history. So even he make Congress leaders Tilak and Subhash terrorists and insulted Hindu deities in IGNOU -NCERT books intentionally

 

* This side that side

Every where,

Dishonor of Bharatmata

Hindu God Goddesses

And Gandhi by Gandhigiri,

 

Oh Lord Krishna

Re-born re-born again

to fight Mahabharat again

We can't wait

Can't wait no long

Hear my pray

Oh Lord krishna

 

* Body burns, but the soul flies away

Paper burns, but the words fly away

Every word of book enlightens others

Every patriot martyr enlightens others

 

* Holika burns, Bhakt Prahlad was safe

Yet Sanatan Hinduism Hindutva is safe

Hirnakasyip wished all to worship him

Maoist Leftists want all to follow them

 

* They crush flower perfume spreads

Can break Violin but music spreads

Can kill human, not remembrance

Hinduism preaches much tolerance

 

By Premendra Agrawal

http://www.newsanalysisindia.com/

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My son Astottara-sata dasa, founded a non-profit organization called

Working Villages International, and he's working to set up a

self-sufficient village in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

 

[...]

Every day in Congo was a struggle filled with challenges, but what gives me hope is that every challenge was overcome. The Congo is a hard place, but it is a place where hard work does pay off, more so than I could have ever imagined. To the WVI staff, the villagers of Luvungi and myself, the Ruzizi Valley is not simply one of the most beautiful places on Earth, it is also a place of promise for the future, for a new way of life and living. I personally can not possibly express my feelings of humble gratitude and thankfulness to all the donors and supporters who are making this project possible. You are fulfilling the hopes, dreams and futures of so many Congolese, and I am personally very grateful.

Thank you all very much,

Alexander Petroff

President of Working Villages International

[...]

 

What is quite commen and often reported is that projects are being set up and as soon the work is finished there is a putsch and all the people who did the work are driven out the country. Of course I'm not a pessimist but Africans truly believe that US and Europe have destroyed and exploited their country back and forth to this very day and never will believe anything else. May be I'm not informed about the different regions which are a powder keg, on the other hand it is surely of great importance to gradually start to build up a fair economy in that huge continent.

 

UN not giving up on Darfur

 

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The United Nations has not given up on sending its own troops to reinforce a peacekeeping force in Darfur despite strong Sudanese opposition, Secretary-General Kofi Annan said on Wednesday.

Speaking to reporters in Nairobi, Annan also described the situation on Sudan's border with Chad as "very fragile and volatile" and said the UN might post observers there.

The African Union (AU) has 7,000 troops in Darfur, where some 200,000 people have died in three years of violence and more than 2.5 million have fled their homes - many into Chad.

"We are looking at the possibility of putting UN observers or some sort of international presence on the border and working with Chad's government to ensure refugees there are protected and cross-border attacks are minimised," Annan said.

"But we have not given up the idea of strengthening the force in Darfur."

The UN hopes to reinforce the AU force with hundreds of peacekeepers and technical support, eventually forming a large "hybrid" force under joint command. Sudan has rejected that, insisting that the AU must remain in charge.

Annan will take part in high level talks on the Darfur crisis on Thursday in Ethiopia, aiming to stabilise the region and improve access for humanitarian workers while pressing ahead with the implementation of the political process.

Sudanese state media said on Wednesday the country had expelled the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) from South Darfur state, accusing it of inciting the 2.5 million people in camps not to return home.

IOM officials said they had not been told of the decision.

The under-equipped and over-stretched AU force has struggled to protect civilians in the huge Darfur region from repeated attack and its mandate expires on December 31.

The conflict broke out in 2003 when local people, mostly non-Arabs, took up arms to fight for a greater share of power and resources. The government then backed Arab militia known as Janjaweed, who have pillaged, raped and killed.

Fighting between the government and Darfur rebels has spilled into both Chad and the Central African Republic.

"We are convinced that the deterioration in the situation in Chad and in Central African Republic could require the deployment of a peacekeeping mission," Jean-Marie Guehenno, the UN undersecretary-general for peacekeeping, told BBC radio.

A UN delegation is due to travel to both countries next week to evaluate what form any such mission should take.

The African Union's Commissioner for Peace and Security Said Djinnit told Reuters observers were crucial. "We cannot talk about the situation in Darfur without talking about Chad and the Central African Republic," he said in Brussels.

Annan has invited officials from the UN Security Council's permanent members to Thursday's talks in Addis Ababa, along with others from Egypt, Gabon, the EU and the Arab League. The AU has also invited Libya, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal and South Africa.

In Addis Ababa, the Sudanese rebel Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) called for UN troops to be deployed to Darfur.

"The African Union force in Darfur has failed to protect civilians," JEM spokesman Idrees Ibrahim Azong told a news conference. "My message to Thursday's high-level meeting...is to deploy UN troops in Darfur to stop the ongoing mass killings."

UN Deputy Secretary-General Malloch Brown told reporters in Brussels flexibility was needed.

"If it is easier for the Sudanese to accept a largely African force - even if it is heavily supported by logistical communication and other assets by other countries - then as long as it can do the job that's fine," he said.

"I don't think one should get stuck on flags. It's going to be a hybrid of some kind."

Jean-Marie Guehenno, the UN undersecretary-general for peacekeeping, said on Tuesday Sudan was insisting the AU remain in charge of the force and rejected the idea of a joint command.

According to his speaking notes to a closed meeting of the Security Council, Sudanese President Omar Hassan Bashir was generally supportive of the "lighter option" of UN assistance to the AU mission, known as Amis.

In Washington, a senior State Department official urged Sudan to accept the "hybrid offer."

"The proposal goes a long way to meeting the Sudanese government's stated concerns about a UN force," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

raja gopal

22-Nov-2006 08:50

Re: Ayushhomam

G Premalatha

Dear Premabhakti:

 

Hare Krishna. AGSP. AGSGG.

 

Sorry for the belated response. We were running from pillor to post for treating Adithya who got injured due to chocklet bomb blast. Details you may find below.

 

Meanwhile, our heart felt blessings to your children and may Radha Madhav and Lord Narasimha Dev shower their fullest mercy on them.

 

The details of Adithya injury/treatment and the miracle:

 

MIRACLE AT MAYAPUR

 

Chakravarthy Raj aged 14 years s/o Radha Kanta Gopal Das and Padma Radhika DD got hurt due to cracker burst on Saturday 28 Oct 06. The cracker, a chocklet bomb, burst practically on his face. He was immediately rushed to the hospital and then to the eye/skin specialist.

 

Next day morning, Pankajangiri Prabhu, one of the head pujaris at Mayapur Chandrodaya Mandir, offered prayer to Lord Narasimha Dev for the speedy recovery of Chakravarthy Raj.

 

For the next 2 days he was just lying on bed without much movement and he could not even open his eyelids. He was then taken to an eye hospital at Barackpur (Disha Hospital) and they found out that the carina (the white portion of the eye) of both the eyes took the burn injury and that the pupil is saved. Hence, there was no problem in his eye sight and that a treatment of 15 days will make his carina cured.

 

He was then taken to Kolkata on 2nd November (6th day) for treatment to his facial injuries. The Doctors checked him right from day 1 said that he suffered a 2nd degree burn injury on his face. Even at Kolkata Hospital, they diagnosed the same thing and further suggested of going in for (1) facial dressing (2) chemical crafting after a fortnight and (3) then a plastic surgery after 6 months or 1 year.

 

THE MIRACLE : Finally, on 2nd Nov evening he was taken to the dressing room at Kolkata Hospital. Within 3 minutes, the people from the dressing room rushed out and took his parents in side. To their surprise, they saw Chakravarthy standing in the room and there was no mark of any injury on his face.

 

When asked for clarification, the Dr who started dressing him and the others present in that place could not give any valid reason. One of them said " eh tho Krishna ka chamatkar hai". When we wanted to pay the Doctor he said, " you are all coming from ISKCON Mayapur and I do not want any money".

 

All glories to Lord Narasimha Dev and all glories to Sri Sri Radha Madhav.

 

YHS

Padmaradhika dd

 

Theist

 

It looks to me like some people would like to distort the real truth which is that the so-called church has massacred millions of people in the name of the creed of brotherly love.

 

As we pray "..sarira avidya-jal, jodendriya tahe kal", "..our material senses are a network of paths that lead to death..".

Who are actually the main culprits who keep people stuck in ignorance about the actual goal of life and drive people into desperation by making sure that society runs only on material values? These are of course the demoniac atheistic government and the rascal kali-yuga mass medias who will have to face being torn to pieces by heavy karmas in their next 10 million lifetimes.

 

 

Alone in US the past 20 years over 1 million people committed suicide because of seeing no hope in this demoniac money based living condition enforced by spiritual dead leaders of this country. However, this is never mentioned anywhere, they have the numbers but the rascals keep silent. Instead the government invents one by one just more and more crazy making situations of purposefully running people into joblessness and devaluate money what strikes the poor.

The medias commenting of one voice, well, this is Darwin's natural selection, only the strongest survive...

Today is Monday, November 20, 2006

Time to draft again?

Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 under a bill the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says he will introduce next year.

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Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 under a bill the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee says he will introduce next year.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars. <!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, has said the all-volunteer military disproportionately puts the burden of war on minorities and lower-income families.

Rangel said he will propose a measure early next year. While he said he is serious about the proposal, there is little evident support among the public or lawmakers for it.

In 2003, Rangel proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. It was defeated 402-2 the following year. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the Nov. 7 election.

At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," said Rangel, who also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. "I think to do so is hypocritical."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments. "If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

 

He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background." <!--startclickprintexclude--><!--endclickprintexclude-->

Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind. <!--startclickprintexclude-->

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Since when is it a crime to hold up the declaration of spiritual succession of Sridhar Maharaja and examine if it is being followed?

 

 

 

"New Gurus shall open new temples. The old main temples shall be kept neutrally for all the disciples of Srila Prabhupada." Swami B.R. Sridhar

 

"When faults in others misguide and delude you - have patience, introspect, find faults in yourself."

Srila Saraswati Thakur

 

"Everbody has to be happily accomodated in the family of Krishna Consciousness."

Swami B.R. Sridhar

 

The Chimpanzee Medicine Chest

 

posted by Gretchen Vogel

http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/8_1%20Chimpanzee%20Medicine%20Chest.htm

 

Because Chimpanzees are so similiar to human beings they are often forced into laboratory experiments to find cures for many crazy human diseases.

Now medical scientists found out - wait, Chimpanzees can teach us in their natural surrounding about how they cure so many diseases.

Extensive field and laboratory studies in progress at Mahale Mountains National Park showed how Chimpanzees treat infections by using all kind of herbs. It now appears that some of these plants have a chemical effect (e.g. Vernonia amygdalina) while others have a physical purging effect (e.g. Aspilia mossambicensis). The strongyle nematode species Oesophagosotmum stephanostomum is largely responsible for the observed cases of illness recorded at Mahale during the rainy season, when these medicinal plants are most frequently used by chimpanzees.

Bitter-pith chewing : Vernonia amygdalina Chimpanzees carefully remove the leaves and outer bark from young shoots and chew on the exposed pith, sucking out the extremely bitter juice. In a few well-documented cases, chimpanzees have been shown to recover their appetites, regain strength, lower parasite loads, and recover from constipation or diarrhoea within 24 hours after using this plant. Interestingly, this species is also used widely across Africa as medicine by many traditional human societies. Chemical investigations of compounds which are effective against illness caused by bacterial infection, bilharzia, cancer, and malaria.

Whole leaf-swallowing : Aspilia mossambicensis Chimpanzees use their lips to carefully remove one leaf from the plant at a time and pull it into the mouth with the tongue. This causes these rough,hairy leaves to fold up accordion-style. Each folded leaf is then swallowed whole without being chewed. Leaves are evacuated whole and undigested in their feces. It has recently been demonstrated that leaves swallowed in this manner physically remove adult worms that were previously attached to the wall of the intestine.

 

 

In near future medical scientists believe that Chimpanzees will also teach us how to cure hepatitis, diabetes, cancer, migraine, depression, tuberculosis, obesity and blood poisoning.

Also there will be a Nobel Prize award for outstanding contribution by Chimpanzees to the lag behind human race. http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2006/

Telegraph.co.uk, Sunday, November 19, 2006 - By ANDREW ALDERSON, Chief Reporter and JAMES GLOVER, Sunday Telegraph - Leading Russian critic of Putin's regime is poisoned in London

Scotland Yard has launched an investigation into an audacious attempt to murder – using a deadly poison – a leading Russian defector at a restaurant in London.

Alexander Litvinenko, a former colonel in the Russian secret service and a fierce critic of President Vladimir Putin, was seriously ill under armed guard at a London hospital last night.

Mr Litvinenko, 50, who used to work for the Federal Security Bureau (FSB, the former KGB), fell ill after meeting a contact at Itsu, a sushi restaurant in Piccadilly. The woman journalist claimed to have information on the murder of Anna Politkovskaya, 48, the outspoken journalist who was killed at her Moscow apartment last month. go to story

 

Classless society unnatural

 

Syamasundar: Karl Marx contended that philosophers have only interpreted the world; the point is to change it. His philosophy is often called "dialectical materialism" because it comes from the dialectic of George Hegel—thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. When applied to society, his philosophy is known as communism. His idea is that for many generations, the bourgeoisie [the property owners] have competed with the proletariat [the working class], and that this conflict will terminate in the communist society. In other words, the workers will overthrow the capitalistic class and establish a so-called dictatorship of the proletariat, which will finally become a classless society.

 

Prabhupada: But how is a classless society possible? Men naturally fall into different classes. Your nature is different from mine, so how can we artificially be brought to the same level?

 

Syamasundar: His idea is that human nature, or ideas, are molded by the means of production. Therefore everyone can be trained to participate in the classless society.

 

Prabhupada: Then training is required?

 

Syamasundar: Yes.

 

Prabhupada: And what will be the center of training for this classless society? What will be the motto?

 

Syamasundar: The motto is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." The idea is that everyone would contribute something, and everyone would get what he needed.

 

Prabhupada: But everyone's contribution is different. A scientific man contributes something, and a philosopher contributes something else. The cow contributes milk, and the dog contributes service as a watchdog. Even the trees, the birds, the beasts—everyone is contributing something. So, by nature a reciprocal arrangement is already there among social classes. How can there be a classless society?

 

Syamasundar: Well, Marx's idea is that the means of production will be owned in common. No one would have an advantage over anyone else, and thus one person could not exploit another. Marx is thinking in terms of profit.

 

Prabhupada: First we must know what profit actually is. For example, the American hippies already had "profit". They were from the best homes, their fathers were rich—they had everything. Yet they were not satisfied; they rejected it. No, this idea of a classless society based on profit-sharing is imperfect. Besides, the communists have not created a classless society. We have seen in Moscow how a poor woman will wash the streets while her boss sits comfortably in his car. So where is the classless society? As long as society is maintained, there must be some higher and lower classification. But if the central point of society is one, then whether one works in a lower or a higher position, he doesn't care. For example, our body has different parts—the head, the legs, the hands—but everything works for the stomach.

 

Syamasundar: Actually, the Russians supposedly have the same idea: they claim the common worker is just as glorious as the top scientist or manager.

 

Prabhupada: But in Moscow we have seen that not everyone is satisfied. One boy who came to us was very unhappy because in Russia young boys are not allowed to go out at night.

 

Syamasundar: The Russian authorities would say that he has an improper understanding of Marxist philosophy.

 

Prabhupada: That "improper understanding" is inevitable. They will never be able to create a classless society because, as I have already explained, everyone's mentality is different.

 

Syamasundar: Marx says that if everyone is engaged according to his abilities in a certain type of production, and everyone works for the central interest, then everyone's ideas will become uniform.

 

Prabhupada: Therefore we must find out the real central interest. In our International Society for Krishna Consciousness [iSKCON], everyone has a central interest in Krishna. Therefore one person is speaking, another person is typing, another is going to the press or washing the dishes, and no one is grudging, because they are all convinced they are serving Krishna.

 

Syamasundar: Marx's idea is that the center is the state.

 

Prabhupada: But the state cannot be perfect. If the Russian state is perfect, then why was Khrushchev driven from power? He was elected premier. Why was he driven from power?

 

Syamasundar: Because he was not fulfilling the aims of the people.

 

Prabhupada: Well, then, what is the guarantee the next premier will do that? There is no guarantee. The same thing will happen again and again. Because the center, Khrushchev, was imperfect, people begrudged their labor. The same thing is going on in non-communist countries as well. The government is changed, the prime minister is deposed, the president is impeached. So what is the real difference between Russian communism and other political systems? What is happening in other countries is also happening in Russia, only they call it by a different name. When we talked with Professor Kotovsky of Moscow University, we told him he had to surrender: either he must surrender to Krishna or to Lenin, but he must surrender. He was taken aback at this.

 

Syamasundar: From studying history, Marx concluded that the characteristics of culture, the social structure, and even the thoughts of the people are determined by the means of economic production.

 

Prabhupada: How does he account for all the social disruption in countries like America, which is so advanced in economic production?

 

Syamasundar: He says that capitalism is a decadent form of economic production because it relies on the exploitation of one class by another.

 

Prabhupada: But there is exploitation in the communist countries also. Khrushchev was driven out of power because he was exploiting his position. He was giving big government posts to his son and son-in-law.

 

Syamasundar: He was deviating from the doctrine.

 

Prabhupada: But since any leader can deviate, how will perfection come? First the person in the center must be perfect, then his dictations will be correct. Otherwise, if the leaders are all imperfect men, what is the use of changing this or that? The corruption will continue.

 

Syamasundar: Presumably the perfect leader would be the one who practiced Marx's philosophy without deviation.

 

Prabhupada: But Marx's philosophy is also imperfect! His proposal for a classless society is unworkable. There must be one class of men to administer the government and one class of men to sweep the streets. How can there be a classless society? Why should a sweeper be satisfied seeing someone else in the administrative post? He will think, "He is forcing me to work as a sweeper in the street while he sits comfortably in a chair." In our international society, I am also holding the superior post: I am sitting in a chair, and you are offering me garlands and the best food. Why? Because you see a perfect man whom you can follow. That mentality must be there. Everyone in the society must be able to say, "Yes, here is a perfect man. Let him sit in a chair, and let us all bow down and work like menials." Where is that perfect man in the communist countries?

 

Syamasundar: The Russians claim that Lenin is a perfect man.

 

Prabhupada: Lenin? But no one is following Lenin. Lenin's only perfection was that he overthrew the czar's government. What other perfection has he shown? The people are not happy simply reading Lenin's books. I studied the people in Moscow. They are unhappy. The government cannot force them to be happy artificially. Unless there is a perfect, ideal man in the center, there cannot possibly be a classless society.

 

Syamasundar: Perhaps they see the workers and the managers in the same way that we do—in the absolute sense. Since everyone is serving the state, the sweeper is as good as the administrator.

 

Prabhupada: But unless the state gives perfect satisfaction to the people, there will always be distinctions between higher and lower classes. In the Russian state, that sense of perfection in the center is lacking.

 

Material stomach is always hungry

Syamasundar: Their goal is the production of material goods for the enhancement of human well-being.

 

Prabhupada: That is useless! Economic production in America has no comparison in the world, yet still people are dissatisfied. The young men are confused. It is nonsensical to think that simply by increasing production everyone will become satisfied. No one will be satisfied. Man is not meant simply for eating. He has mental necessities, intellectual necessities, spiritual necessities. In India many people sit alone silently in the jungle and practice yoga. They do not require anything. How will increased production satisfy them? If someone were to say to them, "If you give up this yoga practice, I will give you two hundred bags of rice," they would laugh at the proposal. It is animalistic to think that simply by increasing production everyone will become satisfied. Real happiness does not depend on either production or starvation, but upon peace of mind. For example, if a child is crying but the mother does not know why, the child will not stop simply by giving him some milk. Sometimes this actually happens: the mother cannot understand why her child is crying, and though she is giving him her breast, he continues to cry. Similarly, dissatisfaction in human society is not caused solely by low economic production. That is nonsense. There are many causes of dissatisfaction. The practical example is America, where there is sufficient production of everything, yet the young men are becoming hippies. They are dissatisfied, confused. No, simply by increasing economic production people will not become satisfied. Marx's knowledge is insufficient. Perhaps because he came from a country where people were starving, he had that idea.

 

Syamasundar: Yes, now we've seen that production of material goods alone will not make people happy.

 

Prabhupada: Because they do not know that real happiness comes from spiritual understanding. That understanding is given in the <CITE>Bhagavad-gita</CITE>: God is the supreme enjoyer, and He is the proprietor of everything. We are not actually enjoyers; we are all workers. These two things must be there: an enjoyer and a worker. For example, in our body the stomach is the enjoyer and all other parts of the body are workers. So this system is natural: there must always be someone who is the enjoyer and someone who is the worker. It is present in the capitalist system also. In Russia there is always conflict between the managers and the workers. The workers say, "If this is a classless society, why is that man sitting comfortably and ordering us to work?" The Russians have not been able to avoid this dilemma, and it cannot be avoided. There must be one class of men who are the directors or enjoyers and another class of men who are the workers. Therefore the only way to have a truly classless society is to find that method by which both the managers and the workers will feel equal happiness. For example, if the stomach is hungry and the eyes see some food, immediately the brain will say, "O legs, please go there!" and "Hand, pick it up," and "Now please put it into the mouth." Immediately the food goes into the stomach, and as soon as the stomach is satisfied, the eyes are satisfied, the legs are satisfied, and the hand is satisfied.

 

Syamasundar: But Marx would use this as a perfect example of communism.

 

Prabhupada: But he has neglected to find out the real stomach.

 

Syamasundar: His is the material stomach.

 

Prabhupada: But the material stomach is always hungry again; it can never be satisfied.

 

In the Krishna consciousness movement we have the substance for feeding our brains, our minds, and our souls. <CITE>Yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah</CITE>: if the spiritual master is satisfied, then Krishna is satisfied, and if Krishna is satisfied, then everyone is satisfied. Therefore you are all trying to satisfy your spiritual master. Similarly, if the communist countries can come up with a dictator who, if satisfied, automatically gives satisfaction to all the people, then we will accept such a classless society. But this is impossible. A classless society is only possible when Krishna is in the center. For the satisfaction of Krishna, the intellectual can work in his own way, the administrator can work in his way, the merchant can work in his way, and the laborer can work in his way. This is truly a classless society.

 

Syamasundar: How is this different from the communist country, where all sorts of men contribute for the same central purpose, which is the state?

 

Prabhupada: The difference is that if the state is not perfect, no one will willingly contribute to it. They may be forced to contribute, but they will not voluntarily contribute unless there is a perfect state in the center. For example, the hands, legs, and brain are working in perfect harmony for the satisfaction of the stomach. Why? Because they know without a doubt that by satisfying the stomach they will all share the energy and also be satisfied. Therefore, unless the people have this kind of perfect faith in the leader of the country, there is no possibility of a classless society.

 

Syamasundar: The communists theorize that if the worker contributes to the central fund, he will get satisfaction in return.

 

Prabhupada: Yes, but if he sees imperfection in the center, he will not work enthusiastically because he will have no faith that he will get full satisfaction. That perfection of the state will never be there, and therefore the workers will always remain dissatisfied.

 

Syamasundar: The propagandists play upon this dissatisfaction and tell the people that foreigners are causing it.

 

Prabhupada: But if the people were truly satisfied, they could not be influenced by outsiders. If you are satisfied that your spiritual master is perfect—that he is guiding you nicely—will you be influenced by outsiders?

 

Syamasundar: No.

 

Prabhupada: Because the communist state will never be perfect, there is no possibility of a classless society.

 

Not exempt from exploitation

 

Syamasundar: Marx examines history and sees that in Greek times, in Roman times, and in the Middle Ages slaves were always required for production.

 

Prabhupada: The Russians are also creating slaves—the working class. Joseph Stalin stayed in power simply by killing all his enemies. He killed so many men that he is recorded in history as the greatest criminal. He was certainly imperfect, yet he held the position of dictator, and the people were forced to obey him.

 

Syamasundar: His followers have denounced him.

 

Prabhupada: That's all well and good, but his followers should also be denounced. The point is that in any society there must be a leader, there must be directors, and there must be workers, but everyone should be so satisfied that they forget the difference.

 

Syamasundar: No envy.

 

Prabhupada: Ah, no envy. But that perfection is not possible in the material world. Therefore Marx's theories are useless.

 

Syamasundar: But on the other hand, the capitalists also make slaves of their workers.

 

Prabhupada: Wherever there is materialistic activity, there must be imperfection. But if they make Krishna the center, then all problems will be resolved.

 

Syamasundar: Are you saying that any system of organizing the means of production is bound to be full of exploitation?

 

Prabhupada: Yes, certainly, certainly! The materialistic mentality means exploitation.

 

Syamasundar: Then what is the solution?

 

Prabhupada: Krishna consciousness!

 

Syamasundar: How is that?

 

Prabhupada: Just make Krishna the center and work for Him. Then everyone will be satisfied. As it is stated in the <CITE>Srimad-Bhagavatam</CITE> [4.31.14]:

 

 

 

 

 

If you simply pour water on the root of a tree, all the branches, twigs, leaves, and flowers will be nourished. Similarly, everyone can be satisfied simply by achyutejya. Acyuta means Krishna, and ijya means worship. So this is the formula for a classless society: Make Krishna [God] the center and do everything for Him. There are no classes in our International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Now you are writing philosophy, but if I want you to wash dishes, you will do so immediately because you know that whatever you do, you are working for Krishna and for your spiritual master. In the material world different kinds of work have different values, but in Krishna consciousness everything is done on the absolute platform. Whether you wash dishes or write books or worship the Deity, the value is the same because you are serving Krishna. That is a classless society. Actually, the perfect classless society is Vrindavana. In Vrindavana, some are cowherd boys, some are cows, some are trees, some are fathers, some are mothers, but the center is Krishna, and everyone is satisfied simply by loving Him. When all people become Krishna conscious and understand how to love Him, then there will be a classless society. Otherwise it is not possible.

 

Who is the proprietor?

 

Syamasundar: Marx's definition of communism is "The common or public ownership of the means of production, and the abolition of private property." In our International Society for Krishna Consciousness, don't we have the same idea? We also say, "Nothing is mine." We have also abolished private property.

 

Prabhupada: While the communist says, "Nothing is mine," he thinks everything belongs to the state. The state, however, is simply an extended "mine." For example, if I am the head of a family, I might say, "I do not want anything for myself, but I want many things for my children." Mahatma Gandhi, who sacrificed so much to drive the English out of India, was at the same time thinking, "I am a very good man; I am doing national work." Therefore, this so-called nationalism or so-called communism is simply extended selfishness. The quality remains the same. The real change occurs when we say, "Nothing belongs to me; everything belongs to God, Krishna, and therefore I should use everything in His service." That is factual.

 

Syamasundar: Marx says that the capitalists are parasites living at the cost of the workers.

 

Prabhupada: But the communists are also living at the cost of the workers: the managers are drawing big salaries, and the common workers are dissatisfied. Indeed, their godless society is becoming more and more troublesome. Unless everyone accepts God as the only enjoyer and himself simply as His servant, there will always be conflict. In the broad sense, there is no difference between the communists and the capitalists because God is not accepted as the supreme enjoyer and proprietor in either system. Actually, no property belongs to either the communists or the capitalists. Everything belongs to God.

 

No change of heart by force

 

Syamasundar: Marx condemns the capitalists for making a profit. He says that profit-making is exploitation and that the capitalists are unnecessary for the production of commodities.

 

Prabhupada: Profit-making may be wrong, but that exploitative tendency is always there, whether it is a communist or a capitalist system. In Bengal it is said that during the winter season the bugs cannot come out because of the severe cold. So they become dried up, being unable to suck any blood. But as soon as the summer season comes, the bugs get the opportunity to come out, so they immediately bite someone and suck his blood to their full satisfaction. Our mentality in this material world is the same: to exploit others and become wealthy. Whether you are a communist in the winter season or a capitalist in the summer season, your tendency is to exploit others. Unless there is a change of heart, this exploitation will go on.

 

I once knew a mill worker who acquired some money. Then he became the proprietor of the mill and took advantage of his good fortune to become a capitalist. Henry Ford is another example. He was an errand boy, but he got the opportunity to become a capitalist. There are many such instances. So, to a greater or lesser degree, the propensity is always there in human nature to exploit others and become wealthy. Unless this mentality is changed, there is no point in changing from a capitalist to a communist society. Material life means that everyone is seeking some profit, some adoration, and some position. By threats the state can force people to curb this tendency, but for how long? Can they change everyone's mind by force? No, it is impossible. Therefore, Marx's proposition is nonsense.

 

Syamasundar: Marx thinks the minds of people can be changed by forced conditioning.

 

Prabhupada: That is not possible. Even a child cannot be convinced by force, what to speak of a mature, educated man. We have the real process for changing people's minds: chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. <CITE>Cheto-darpana-marjanam:</CITE> [<CITE>Chaitanya-charitamrita</CITE> Antya 20.12] This process cleanses the heart of material desires. We have seen that people in Moscow are not happy. They are simply waiting for another revolution. We talked to one working-class boy who was very unhappy. When a pot of rice is boiling, you can take one grain and press it between your fingers, and if it is hot you can understand all the rice is boiling. Thus we can understand the position of the Russian people from the sample of that boy. We could also get further ideas by talking with Professor Kotovsky from the India Department of Moscow University. How foolish he was! He said that after death everything is finished. If this is his knowledge, and if that young boy is a sample of the citizenry, then the situation in Russia is very bleak. They may theorize about so many things, but we could not even purchase sufficient groceries in Moscow. There were no vegetables, fruits, or rice, and the milk was of poor quality. If that Madrasi gentleman had not contributed some dahl and rice, then practically speaking we would have starved. The Russians' diet seemed to consist of only meat and liquor.

 

Syamasundar: The communists play upon this universal profit motive. The worker who produces the most units at his factory is glorified by the state or receives a small bonus.

 

Prabhupada: Why should he get a bonus?

 

Syamasundar: To give him some incentive to work hard.

 

Prabhupada: Just to satisfy his tendency to lord it over others and make a profit, his superiors bribe him. This Russian communist idea is very good, provided the citizens do not want any profit. But that is impossible, because everyone wants profit. The state cannot destroy this tendency either by law or by force.

 

Syamasundar: The communists try to centralize everything—money, communications, and transport—in the hands of the state.

 

Prabhupada: But what benefit will there be in that? As soon as all the wealth is centralized, the members of the central government will appropriate it, just as Khrushchev did. These are all useless ideas as long as the tendency for exploitation is not reformed. The Russians have organized their country according to Marx's theories, yet all their leaders have turned out to be cheaters. Where is their program for reforming this cheating propensity?

 

Syamasundar: Their program is to first change the social condition, and then, they believe, the corrupt mentality will change automatically.

 

Prabhupada: Impossible. Such repression will simply cause a reaction in the form of another revolution.

 

Syamasundar: Are you implying that the people's mentality must first be changed, and then a change in the social structure will naturally follow?

 

Prabhupada: Yes. But the leaders will never be able to train all the people to think that everything belongs to the state. This idea is simply utopian nonsense.

 

Syamasundar: Marx has another slogan: "Human nature has no reality." He says that man's nature changes through history according to material conditions.

 

Prabhupada: He does not know the real human nature. It is certainly true that everything in this cosmic creation, or jagat, is changing. Your body changes daily. Everything is changing, just like waves in the ocean. This is not a very advanced philosophy. Marx's theory is also being changed; it cannot last. But man does have a fundamental nature that never changes: his spiritual nature. We are teaching people to come to the standard of acting according to their spiritual nature, which will never change. Acting spiritually means serving Krishna. If we try to serve Krishna now, we will continue to serve Krishna when we go to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world. Therefore, loving service to Lord Krishna is called nitya, or eternal. As Krishna says in the <CITE>Bhagavad-gita</CITE>, <CITE>nitya-yukta upasate:</CITE> "My pure devotees perpetually worship Me with devotion."

 

The communists give up Krishna and replace Him with the state. Then they expect to get the people to think, "Nothing in my favor; everything in favor of the state." But people will never accept this idea. It is impossible; let the rascals try it! All they can do is simply force the people to work, as Stalin did. As soon as he found someone opposed to him, he immediately cut his throat. The same disease is still there today, so how will their program be successful?

 

Syamasundar: Their idea is that human nature has no reality of its own. It is simply a product of the material environment. Thus, by putting a man in the factory and making him identify with the state and something like scientific achievement, they think they can transform him into a selfless person.

 

Prabhupada: But because he has the basic disease, envy, he will remain selfish. When he sees that he is working so hard but that the profit is not coming to him, his enthusiasm will immediately slacken. In Bengal there is a proverb: "As a proprietor I can turn sand into gold, but as soon as I am no longer the proprietor, the gold becomes sand." The Russian people are in this position. They are not as rich as the Europeans or the Americans, and because of this they are unhappy.

 

Syamasundar: One of the methods the authorities in Russia use is to constantly whip the people into believing there may be a war at any moment. Then they think, "To protect our country, we must work hard."

 

Prabhupada: If the people cannot make any profit on their work, however, they will eventually lose all interest in the country. The average man will think, "Whether I work or not, I get the same result. I cannot adequately feed and clothe my family." Then he will begin to lose his incentive to work. A scientist will see that despite his high position, his wife and children are dressed just like the common laborer.

 

Syamasundar: Marx says that industrial and scientific work is the highest kind of activity.

 

Prabhupada: But unless the scientists and the industrialists receive sufficient profit, they will be reluctant to work for the state.

 

Syamasundar: The Russian goal is the production of material goods for the enhancement of human well-being.

 

Prabhupada: Their "human well-being" actually means, "If you don't agree with me, I'll cut your throat." This is their "well-being." Stalin had his idea of "human well-being," but anyone who disagreed with his version of it was killed or imprisoned. They may say that a few must suffer for the sake of many, but we have personally seen that Russia has achieved neither general happiness nor prosperity. For example, in Moscow none of the big buildings have been recently built. They are old and ravaged, or poorly renovated. Also, at the stores the people had to stand in long lines to make purchases. These are indications that economic conditions are unsound.

 

God consciousness the final revolution

 

Syamasundar: Marx considered religion an illusion that must be condemned.

 

Prabhupada: The divisions between different religious faiths may be an illusion, but Marx's philosophy is also an illusion.

 

Syamasundar: Do you mean that it's not being practiced?

 

Prabhupada: In the sixty years since the Russian Revolution, his philosophy has become distorted. On the other hand, Lord Brahma began the Vedic religion countless years ago, and though foreigners have been trying to devastate it for the last two thousand years, it is still intact. Vedic religion is not an illusion, at least not for India.

 

Syamasundar: Here is Marx's famous statement about religion. He says, "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of the heartless world, just as it is the spirit of the spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people."

 

Prabhupada: He does not know what religion is. His definition is false. The <CITE>Vedas</CITE> state that religion is the course of action given by God. God is a fact, and His law is also a fact. It is not an illusion. Krishna gives the definition of religion in <CITE>Bhagavad-gita</CITE> [18.66]: <CITE>sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam sharanam vraja</CITE>. To surrender unto God—this is religion.

 

Syamasundar: Marx believes everything is produced from economic struggle and that religion is a technique invented by the bourgeoisie or the capitalists to dissuade the masses from revolution by promising them a better existence after death.

 

Prabhupada: He himself has created a philosophy that is presently being enforced by coercion and killing.

 

Syamasundar: And he promised that in the future things will be better. So he is guilty of the very thing that he condemns religion for.

 

Prabhupada: As we have often explained, religion is that part of our nature which is permanent, which we cannot give up. No one can give up his religion. And what is that religion? Service. Marx desires to serve humanity by putting forward his philosophy. Therefore that is his religion. Everyone is trying to render some service. The father is trying to serve his family, the statesman is trying to serve his country, and the philanthropist is trying to serve all humanity. Whether you are Karl Marx or Stalin or Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, a Muslim, or a Christian, you must serve. Because we are presently rendering service to so many people and so many things, we are becoming confused. Therefore, Krishna advises us to give up all this service and serve Him alone:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Syamasundar: The communists—and even to a certain extent the capitalists—believe that service for the production of goods is the only real service. Therefore they condemn us because we are not producing anything tangible.

 

Prabhupada: How can they condemn us? We are giving service to humanity by teaching the highest knowledge. A high-court judge does not produce any grains in the field. He sits in a chair and gets $25,000 or $30,000. Does that mean he is not rendering any service? Of course he is. The theory that unless one performs manual labor in the factory or the fields he is not doing service would simply give credit to the peasant and the worker. It is a peasant philosophy.

 

There is a story about a king and his prime minister. Once the king's salaried workers complained, "We are actually working, and this minister is doing nothing, yet you are paying him such a large salary. Why is that?" The king then called his minister in and also had someone bring in an elephant. "Please take this elephant and weigh it," the king said to his workers. The workers took the elephant to all the markets, but they could not find a scale large enough to weigh the animal. When they returned to the palace the king asked, "What happened?" One of the workers answered, "Sir, we could not find a scale large enough to weigh the elephant." Then the king addressed his prime minister, "Will you please weigh this elephant?Yes, sir," said the prime minister, and he took the elephant away. He returned within a few minutes and said, "It weighs 11,650 pounds." All the workers were astonished. "How did you weigh the elephant so quickly?" one of them asked. "Did you find some very large scale?" The minister replied, "No. It is impossible to weigh an elephant on a scale. I went to the river, took the elephant on a boat, and noted the watermark. After taking the elephant off the boat, I put weights in the boat until the same watermark was reached. Then I had the elephant's weight." The king said to his workers, "Now do you see the difference?" One who has intelligence has strength, not the fools and the rascals. Marx and his followers are simply fools and rascals. We don't take advice from them; we take advice from Krishna or His representative.

 

Syamasundar: So religion is not simply a police force to keep people in illusion?

 

Prabhupada: No. Religion means to serve the spirit. That is religion. Everyone is rendering service, but no one knows where his service will be most successful. Therefore Krishna says, "Serve Me, and you will serve the spiritual society." This is real religion. The Marxists want to build a so-called perfect society without religion, yet even up to this day, because India's foundation is religion, people all over the world adore India.

 

Syamasundar: Marx says that God does not create man; rather, man creates God.

 

Prabhupada: That is more nonsense. From what he says, I can tell he is a nonsensical rascal and a fool. One cannot understand that someone is a fool unless he talks. A fool may dress very nicely and sit like a gentleman amongst gentlemen, but we can tell the fools from the learned men by their speech.

 

Syamasundar: Marx's follower was Nikolai Lenin. He reinforced all of Marx's ideas and added a few of his own. He believed that revolution is a fundamental fact of history. He said that history moves in leaps, and that it progresses toward the communist leap. He wanted Russia to leap into the dictatorship of the proletariat, which he called the final stage of historical development.

 

Prabhupada: No. We can say with confidence—and they may note it carefully—that after the Bolshevik Revolution there will be many other revolutions, because as long as people live on the mental plane there will be only revolution. Our proposition is to give up all these mental concoctions and come to the spiritual platform. If one comes to the spiritual platform, there will be no more revolution. As Dhruva Maharaja said, <CITE>natah param parama vedmi na yatra nadah:</CITE> "Now that I am seeing God, I am completely satisfied. Now all kinds of theorizing processes are finished." So God consciousness is the final revolution. There will be repeated revolutions in this material world unless people come to Krishna consciousness.

 

Syamasundar: The Hare Krishna revolution.

 

Prabhupada: The Vedic injunction is that people are searching after knowledge, and that when one understands the Absolute Truth, he understands everything. <CITE>Yasmin vijnate sarvam evam vijnatam bhavati</CITE> (<CITE>Mundaka Upanishad</CITE> 1.3). People are trying to approach an objective, but they do not know that the final objective is Krishna. They are simply trying to make adjustments with so many materialistic revolutions. They have no knowledge that they are spiritual beings and that unless they go back to the spiritual world and associate with the Supreme Spirit, God, there is no question of happiness. We are like fish out of water. Just as a fish cannot be happy unless he is in the water, we cannot be happy apart from the spiritual world. We are part and parcel of the Supreme Spirit, Krishna, but we have left His association and fallen from the spiritual world because of our desire to enjoy this material world. So unless we reawaken the understanding of our spiritual position and go back home to the spiritual world, we can never be happy. We can go on theorizing for many lifetimes, but we will only see one revolution after another. The old order changes, yielding its place to the new. Or in other words, history repeats itself.

 

Syamasundar: Marx says that there are always two conflicting properties in material nature, and that the inner pulsation of opposite forces causes history to take leaps from one revolution to another. He claims that the communist revolution is the final revolution because it is the perfect resolution of all social and political contradictions.

 

Prabhupada: If the communist idea is spiritualized, then it will become perfect. As long as the communist idea remains materialistic, it cannot be the final revolution. They believe that the state is the owner of everything. But the state is not the owner; the real owner is God. When they come to this conclusion, then the communist idea will be perfect. We also have a communistic philosophy. They say that everything must be done for the state, but in our International Society for Krishna Consciousness we are actually practicing perfect communism by doing everything for Krishna. We know Krishna is the supreme enjoyer of the result of all work (<CITE>bhoktaram yajna- tapasam</CITE> [bg. 5.29]). The communist philosophy as it is now practiced is vague, but it can become perfect if they accept the conclusion of the <CITE>Bhagavad-gita</CITE>—that Krishna is the supreme proprietor, the supreme enjoyer, and the supreme friend of everyone. Then people will be happy. Now they mistrust the state, but if the people accept Krishna as their friend, they will have perfect confidence in Him, just as Arjuna was perfectly confident in Krishna on the battlefield of Kurukshetra. The great victory of Arjuna and his associates on the battlefield of Kurukshetra showed that his confidence in Krishna was justified:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if Krishna is at the center of society, then the people will be perfectly secure and prosperous. The communist idea is welcome, provided they are prepared to replace the so-called state with God. That is religion.

 

....an electric crematorium in Chennai. The sinister and depressing atmosphere made me sick and depressed.

 

This crematorium construction is surely out dated and inhuman and should be closed. The description by sadman reminds of the Auschwitz concentration camp where the Nazis burned their poor victims and all the neighbour villages could smell the burning of human beings.

This is clearly offending human dignity and should be brought to court.

I would say sadman should demand reparation.