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can anyone explain to me how the chakras and the 8 or 9 elements krishna speaks of in the Gita and the 3 gunas work together? what is their relation? thanks in advance /images/graemlins/smile.gif

SIGH, for the 1002th time, i do not criticise chanting hare krishna mantra. you criticise my way, i do not criticise yours. i didnt mean to say vaishnava are cheaters. since vaishnava is also a christian God, its just the name that differs and i could consider myself vaishnava. religion means connection to God, yes, and there are different connections. Okay. I KNOW krishna talks in ways you dont think of as godly and i KNOW he doesnt speak like those gurus. For one thing, in His perfect state, his intonation and melodic voice tells more than about his qualities than the words which he speaks, but because hes already master of Yoga, he doesnt need all the things your busy with and he can speak with the same purity about womanising as about the heavens. in every airplane it should be known its not the only one. God id love it when the 1000yr reign starts. no more quarrelling. What i wanna unite? Gods followers. i didnt start a quarrel. i asked questions, i did not criticise your way and i encourage singing all day long.

for the 1001th time, I appreciate chanting hare krishna. I just say that that is not all you should do and there are other ways to God. If you chant all day but dont give a .... about the least of his brethren, then don't think god will speak well of you. no, im not a common man. but im also not a hindi who was raised with a loving mom in a loving house with a loving easy to handle religion. i have something you dont know. its called problems. Whom for Gods sake i have to and will conquer and live thru. " you are showing no seriousness" But god knows i am serious, just like he knows i love him.

Whats to explain. books can be written about it. what matters is doing the will of God. Who alone has perfect plans and rules the universe from the best perspective which is best for everything. I know that God brought us all here on earth for a reason and we all have our job to do here and we are going against Gods plan-of course he can make things right after we error- if we stop the life of one of our fellow human beings. Until God decides to kill someone thru our swords, as he did thru the hands of the jews in the past and im sure he does it now also. animals and plants were created for us, both as food, but also to care about and love. But gods idea of what (a) 'Life' is might be very more complex. purusha. everything which stops people from being 'alive' might be a sin. also, jesus said that there is written thou shalt not kill, but he said:everyone who calls his brethren a fool or emptyhead will be the victim of (gods) judgement. godbless /images/graemlins/smile.gif

i believe in krishna also and whethen you like it or not you are my brethren as well.

" Secondly, these themselves are of dubious nature because they come from Aquarian gospel which most christians themselves do not believe in anyways. " Are you sure thats their origin? well i dont know, i just wanted to search for truth which i once knew but forgotten. "A few senior devotees have explained these with the Vedic knowledge, but we should not try such things. We must be like a honey-bee but first we must be qualified to understand what the nectar is." who decides who is qualified? you can study for ages and sit in the temple for 80 years and some still are only wise on the outside. "Then the snippets you gave have been interpolated and there is no mention of Vedas or timurti etc. being false in the originals. Instead if you read the second link it says that Jesus read the Vedas in the Jagannath temple and explained their full meanings clearly. " that doesnt have to contradict but if your right im only glad /images/graemlins/smile.gif " All vaishnava Masters already oppose the behaviour of smarta brahmana community which has really digressed from Vedas. But since you have not tried to understand these things your conclusions have been quite wrong. " could be. just trying to locate God here. " How they have been offensive is simple, though you will not realize it. The quote said and you supported the thesis that Jesus rejected the Vedas, trimurti, etc. in favour of his own conception of God -- "no, if jesus says something about God, than he tells the truth of God himself, he doesnt make things up. "from the point of view of one who understands Vedas this means that Jesus rejected God/Krishna because Krishna Himself says that He is the Veda and compiler of Vedanta-Sutra and Vedas talk of God full with six opulences. " whats opulence? /images/graemlins/smile.gif " For the vaishnavas who understand Deity worship this means that Jesus did not even know what Deity worship means, or how is it any different than worshipping a mental conception of unmanifest God (or cross), or that when he says "idols or lesser gods" it means nothing for there is only one God. "Of course not. if i were to bow down in worship for you or a statue representing nothing, i would be idolising. Worshipping Krishna is different from that. "This means that by presenting this and justifying it you effectively rejected that Jesus was a Guru. And such a conclusion is offensive to both Jesus and Krishna." jesus is son of God. if i reject anything, its the gurus of this age before jesus. as i said, we are in kali yuga arent we. So those outside wise people might be rotten to the core. "I have been trying to explain that Truth cannot be have had by reading and pasting things from internet from xyz sites. There are three ways to get there: by Guru, Sadhu and Shastra. Guru has two aspects -- one sad-Guru or external Guru and other chaitya-Guru meaning the Lord in the heart. In the absence of our capability to recognize a Sadhu, or a sad-Guru nor being able to clearly listen to chaitya-Guru the way to understand a spiritual discipline is to read its authorized books and practise it which is particularly true of the Vaishnava philosophy. Without practising it for some time it is not possible to understand it. Then the way to do it is to read Sri Ishopanishad, booklets like Perfect Questions and Perfect Answers, Bhagavad-Gita as it is, Srimad-Bhagavatam in that order before going to Chaitanya-Charitamrta, Brahma-Samhita etc. (all these are available in the books section of this site) and try and practise it. It takes some time particularly with the vaishnava disciplines. (there are many unauthorized and incorrect translations of Gita floating around, so if you want to read from Krishna-Consciousness point of view you will need to get this version)"ill see that ill read one day them all and find out what its all about /images/graemlins/smile.gif i know this: Vishnu wants love for himself and others. hed rather have an illiteral child running toward him than a proud man who has read many books but who would betray him immediately if they were subjected to torture. "So the questions from your side should have been of the kind of trying to understand verses or meanings from scriptures or the practise/philosophy, rather than comparing status of scriptures or trying to find errors in them using quotes from here and there. "I try to find the truth actually, but i stumble on errors or contradictions. "You should realize that there are many-many quotes which can show the multitude of errors in Bible but that will hardly serve any purpose. I sincerely want you to be successful in your endevour and find all the pearls i have found and more, " I will be succesful and see my Abba and Lords face again as i continuely did when i was a child. " but there is a procedure for this which will show our sincerity. The only thing that is wanted is to leave this "quotes from websites" thing and read the authorized books instead, and then everyone will be happy. " ...

"--because in this text jesus put in discussion many principles of vedic culture. But we know that jesus is a pure dharmic spiritual master, so this text is a fake. Please, what's the use to discuss of a text who has dubious authenticity? We want to know god, not to fantasize about god" Might I remind you of one thing? This is Kali Yuga! you know, that age of darkness and no moral! So maybe you were the ones who has over time misused and flasified all the sacred texts and their meaning! If Jesus says it, i believe him over other gurus any time, given that hes son of God. "--first practice and learn at least ONE religion then we will have a common ground to discuss. " I believe in one God, not one religion. In one church or temple 2 people might coexist professing to have the same religion but one is MUCH closer to God and has much more divine qualities. "You are in a forum called "hare krsna", we follow such process.. if you want to discuss with people who follow this process and maybe to put this process in discussion you have to learn it and follow it. So study carefully the bhagavad gita ( http://www.asitis.com/ ) "gladly "and ask verse for verse to clarify your doubts and to share your realizations. You have also to chant the hare krsna mantra at least for five minutes every day (hare krishna, hare krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare, hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare). " what makes 5 minutes of singing that a necesity, when i just spend 3 hours singing and reciting psalms? God is Happy and comes closer with EVERY genuine offering. " In this way you will know us and the purpose of this site.. in this way, knowing us, you also will able to do some objections if you feel useful. Now you do not have the language, the notions necessary to start a true communication.. so study and practice, then you will communicate. " do not think Krishnas language will be the same as those of all the gurus and yourself. His ways are much higher. " Imagine to go in a forum of airplane pilotes and giving critics and opinions having never been in an airplane. So study and practice our "airplane" or the converstation with you will never be useful.. " good parable. might i add:the airforce base is called God, and there is more than one airplane there, all loved by God, all useful, some in other ways... and they should not argue but unite under one banner. "--you simply do not know what's my belief and you show to believe simply in yourself "you dont know mine either so tell this to yourself, it was never my intention to come here and quarrel. " i have already said it.. if you want to speak with me about my religion you have to know what's my religion... so study and practice, otherwise you are only a disturbance " youll get back on that.

Hare Krishna! Have to go soon, ill be quick just go it point by point if thats ok 1.indeed, nothing is coincidence /images/graemlins/smile.gif 2.well for me, it is exactly the good reason for infinite suffering, because people are not God and often people have no compassion and very harsh judgement on others whom they see as evil and they wouldnt care if that person suffered for eternity, let alone if they find out they are MUCH worse people. but i dont know, ill just stay open and see what happens. 3.again, infinite punishment means that we ourselves have judged ourselves that hard. it means we judged others who were like us in life just that hard but wenever realised we were just as evil as they were. if not more evil. Yes, i believe you. hes been doing that all my life /images/graemlins/smile.gif and stioll doing it. I hope your right, but I know:God is just. remind me, i have to go in 5 minutes to work at church. hmm, i dont know. i have 2 books, one is like a big story, and the other is the texts in hindi, dutch, comments, and daily devotional. its written by uhm Mansukh patel and some others /images/graemlins/smile.gif sjalom gotta love ya and gotta go.

1.You dont know what im practising all day long and how i am searching out God and acting as he wishes me to do all day long, and im not Gonna tell you, because Jesus forbade to do your good deeds to get the honor of people. I did not say all ways are equal. I have faith. Thats why many of my prayers, which are asking God for things which i always get. 2.For the 1000th time, I AM NOT AGAINST SINGING HARE KRISHNA MANTRA! its just your way , not mine. I dont criticise it, and if i ever should have a sleepover with you, you might wake me up at night to start praising together, whether that means reading christian psalms or hare krishna mantra! 3.to know my religion you have to know me. but the basics of my religion you can understand are all clearly written out in the jewish man-NDE. thats right the NDE in which the man saw that the Hare Krishna who sang all day was CLOSEST to God because he had greatest love for God. So how could i ever be against that! 4.I was in contact with God and I could do that and more as a child. ive told once on this forum what happened with me in one sentence and with what kind of person i live under one roof, and i got mocked. 5.That you dont recognise me for who I am is certain. But Im surely not the only one you dont recognise for who he is. So, until you too have the power to read minds thru Gods Spirit, refrain from judgement. 6.Where do I criticise Krishna???? you are criticising me and think you have the only right path. The light of God is more than singing his holy name-that is one way. There are many forms of Yoga. 7.I show to God all they long I wish to follow Him. I will study.

Man, I love you, but you really don't know a thing about how serious I am, simply because i do not chant in your way! God is all on my mind the entire day! But your right i was not serious as a hindu, because i never was a hindu, not in that way. I worship God, thats hindu enough for me. and I believe Krishna. GOD FORBID THAT I WOULD STOP YOU FROM ACHIEVING KC, AND PRACTICE KC! Loveya, godbless

Hello Guest Hey, I never said Vedic isnt full of wisdom. How is this text depicting Jesus as an asura? I didnt blaspheme, i quoted and wish to know your ideas about the text. What is the true religion? How is worshipping the eternal not the true religion? How is it not the true religion to say that God loves all his Children? How is it not true religion to say that the lower castes have a right to read the text? Im not here to take anyone away. im here to talk about my beliefs, our Lord. I believe slightly different than you, thats all. loveya and godbless

yes,, he creates nonchristians at his will. he also creates fools like me, or vaishnavas, at his will /images/graemlins/smile.gif Loveya

Hello Friend Well either i missed one link, because i have visited one link you gave me. but its VERY long and i cant read it all on a single night. I'm sorry you feel this way about me. You are wrong, I do want the truth. the site from which i plucked Saint Issa's story is a site which combines every religion. How could I claim a false God? I proclaim Krishna Jesus, the Eternal One. which one is false? I want to learn KC philosophy, if its from God, but i will always have in the back of my head that human wisdom is foolishness by God. KC philosophy is just as much written in the bible (NT) as in your texts. I love to read them both. yesterday i was quite busy. How do I blasphemise jesus and krishna? I think they are one. thats all. So no, i do not show jesus his superiority. that would be like saying im superior to myself. Godblessyou

You MIGHT also be so openminded and acknowledge the vedas do not hold the supreme truth about God but that he has revealed himself thru the bible as well. Jesus irreligious? why is it irreligious to bring a perfect religion which worships only the true God, instead of idols and lesser gods? he hardly destroys dharma with stating that the texts are also for lower castes and that any restrictions on that is manmade, not Godly.

21,NETHERLANDS,YOU DONT KNOW OUR SYSTEM, PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, NOW, MAINLY BIBLE.

I dont see vaishnavism as sectarian. you do. you make it different from other paths. like many religions you say:only i have the truth. When what matters to God is if you fulfill your calling, if you have a general good heart-according to His standards- and not if you sing a specific song daily. Good krishna recommends it, and if i meet such a person, and i think i have already met many persons who have aided me and taught me, i will accept with all the eager in my heart for my Abba. No, you think that is what spiritual masters do, and thus, anyone who acts in a different way, or has a different religion, although its the same god, is false for you. but not for God. I know God loves my pastor. why? because he speaks with God. how do i know this? because when i pray that the pastor may say or do things in church, then it happens. because i prayed to god to tell him things, and God does that, because God loves me. I dont neglect or am against parampara or chanting. i chant , but other songs with the same effect. hahaha, you might have insulted me a month ago, but now i know you are a bug and only gods opinion about me matters. you are a genuine fool if you actually believe you are capable of seeing holiness or evilness. i assure you when you get to heaven you will find many people you loathed are saints for God, because they didnt show their good deeds, and many you thought of as great because of their deeds, will be low by God because they did those deeds so you would think highly of them. you have absolutely no clue as to how much im busy searching out God, serving Him and my feloow man, and neither do you know a thing about my problems which prevent me from searching him. but go ahead judge all you want, just know that when you point a finger God points back at you. if i were an avatar. yeah the pharisees in jesus age thought they were highly exalted with God. they said too it was wrong behaviour when he treated them and insulted them WAY more than i will ever insult you here on this forum. (cua i dont wanna insult anyone anyway you see i try to be friendly to friend and foe, as krishna and jesus command, unlike others here) The law i follow? Love, compassion, nonjudgement, being friendly to all, searching the Lord out. I didnt say i needed no master. I said I trust God in his guidance and if its his will-i will pray-than it will happen and i will accept with all eagerness No, spiritual masters are not that kind of people. point is, your not God, and you might think someone who is like that, is a spiritual master because of deceitful behaviour and acting all wise when he has an evil, selfish heart. Ok, ill try.

''Dear Vishnu Hare Krishna and dandavat pranam This has given me much satisfaction. Just like the Lord is called bhakta-vatsala meaning overly protective of His devotees, similiarly the devotees are very protective of their Lord and oppose any inappropriate words for the Lord. My outburst was with good intentions only, for it appeared to me that you have some conception (as regards Lord Buddha) which could be problematic for yourself; so please forgive me if you were hurt by it. '' I MERELY HOPED THAT YOU DIDNT SUDDENLY STARTED TO GET AWAY FROM ME, AFTER HAVING SAID YESTERDAY I WAS VERY SINCERE. SO IM ALL THE MORE GLAD NOW /images/graemlins/smile.gif "So maybe this only explains what eternity is and not that anyone remains in hell for eternity. Try to think from deep within; for a limited number of sins God cannot punish infinitely; impossible, not even any normal human will do that what to speak of that all-merciful God. So maybe eternity of hell in Bible means only much longer times as compared to earth and not infinite Time." since i asked for the duration, i think it means eternity when the word i come up with as i opened the book is just that, eternity. that cannot be coincidence. i dont understand all. but you have to know one thing jesus said:you shall be judged by own accord. its very important. you think humans will not do it, but in this day and age, many would for example not give a flying fudge if a child molestor or fornicator would be tormented or imprisoned his entire life. God knows that, and he also knows that from his allmighty perspective, many of these judgemental people are not only just as bad or worse than such child fornicators, but also may have caused some kind of child molesting with their own actions, direct or indirect. It is , as the jewish man in the NDE also experienced, part of themselves which judges them. its their own judgement. and remember my parable of the canyon. In my church , when God speaks thru his prophets in church, he says his heart cries out for the lost. When you say lost, its more like he cant do anything cuz they are too deep in sin, instead of a harsh judging God which has the power to take them to heaven without suffering himself. "But how can it be fair if so many humans have not even got a chance to know about Him what to speak of loving Him. If someone does not even know about God what possibility is there of loving Him. Maybe you were a fortunate one who had love for God since birth, but there are many many who do not have, and do not come to know of a Supreme Controller in their lives. Thing is that according to Vedic texts such persons will attain to that species as they have developed their consciousness and not hell (unless they have committed grave sins and even then remain in hell in proportion to their sins). " as jesus says:this is the law:Serve thy God with all thy everything, and love thy neighbor like thyself. And:what you have done for the least of these mine brethren, you have done for me. god takes simple altruism in his judgement too. i think. "So why did God not put Satan in the hell for eternity (btw where is he now). And how has that satan got so much influence on the humans, that we have to be so careful of the satan. Why did God allow the influence of Satan to spread and did not completely annihilate it. If God cannot remove influence of satan then the conclusion can only be that satan can indeed compete with the Lord in some way by influencing humans more than God." I dont know. He might have a plan with humans on this earth. sorry i begin again about it, but NDE's as well as my memory states that human life is not just any life on a multidimension universe, but how we act here will forever affect us. Maybe he wants this spirit war to make a point, or because its the only way for some things. i dont know his intentions, but satan will fall soon. We will have a great tribulation (in christiannity) in which an antichrist will come and deceive people and make them have a mark in their right hand or forehead-without it you cannot sell or buy. this is thought to be an implantable chip. those that take it will go to hell. after that, jesus will come and satan and his entire horde will be cast down forever. right now satan is in a hell, probably inside earth or so, with power in that place but also power on earth. but not the final hell (lake of fire). This is usual christian belief. " I empathize with you because i have spent so many years for that too (not through internet at that time though). I had read and practised many spiritual practises and philosophies but was only jumping around like a frog. Interesting was the fact that when i inadvertantly looked in internet, KC was the first thing i found and have never jumped since Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.8.10" I try christianity. i know krishna is real and God or son of God as well, but to make it not overly difficult i have to accept i dont know everything and i will one day get all i need in knowledge and be satisfied. the light from the bible and bhagavadgita however, feels exactly the same. the koran on the other hand, and everything islamic, feels rather dark and fearful. "May i suggest you to read Sri Ishopanishad here: http://www.hare-krishna.org/books/isopanisad.zip It is small, and i think you will like it. You may require to install the fonts (here: http://www.hare-krishna.org/v-fonts.zip) first. " wow thats one big load of text. /images/graemlins/smile.gif i cant do that all in this night alone, but thanks /images/graemlins/smile.gif

part of teachings of Jesus Christ in India. 5 He passed six years at Juggernaut, at Rajagriha, at Benares, and in the other holy cities. Everyone loved him, for Issa lived in peace with the Vaisyas and the Sudras, whom he instructed in the holy scriptures. 6 But the Brahmans and the Kshatriyas told him that they were forbidden by the great Para-Brahma to come near to those whom he had created from his side and his feet; 7 That the Vaisyas were only authorized to hear the reading of the Vedas, and this on festival days only; 8 That the Sudras were forbidden not only to assist at the reading of the Vedas, but also from contemplating them, for their condition was to serve in perpetuity as slaves to the Brahmans, the Kshatriyas, and even the Vaisyas. 9 "'Death only can set them free from their servitude' has said Para-Brahma. Leave them then and come and worship with us the gods, who will become incensed against thee if thou cost disobey them." 10 But Issa listened not to their discourses and betook him to the Sudras, preaching against the Brahmans and the Kshatriyas. 11 He inveighed against the act of a man arrogating to himself the power to deprive his fellow beings of their rights of humanity; "for," said he, "God the Father makes no difference between his children; all to him are equally dear." 12 Issa denied the divine origin of the Vedas* and the Puranas*. "For," taught he to his followers, "a law has already been given to man to guide him in his actions 13 "Fear thy God, bend the knee before him only, and bring to him alone the offerings which proceed from thy gains." ''14 Issa denied the Trimurti and the incarnation of Para-Brahma in Vishnu, Siva*, and other gods, for said he: 15 "The Judge Eternal, the Eternal Spirit, comprehends the one and indivisible soul of the universe, which alone creates, contains, and vivifies all. 20 "The anger of God will soon be let loose against man; for he has forgotten his Creator, he has filled his temples with abominations, and he worships a crowd of creatures which God has made subordinate to him. 23 "Those who deprive their brethren of divine happiness shall be deprived of it themselves. The Brahmans and the Kshatriyas shall become the Sudras, and with the Sudras the Eternal shall dwell everlastingly. 24 "Because in the day of the last judgment the Sudras and the Vaisyas will be forgiven much because of their ignorance, while God, on the contrary, will punish with his wrath those who have arrogated to themselves his rights." 25 The Vaisyas and the Sudras were filled with great admiration and asked Issa how they should pray so as not to lose their eternal felicity. 26 "Worship not the idols, for they hear you not. Listen not to the Vedas, for their truth is counterfeit. Never put yourself in the first place and never humiliate your neighbor. 7 In crossing pagan territories, the divine Issa taught that the worship of visible gods was contrary to the law of nature. 8 "For man," said he, "has not been permitted to see the image of God, and yet he has made a host of deities in the likeness of the Eternal. many things in these texts-i believe it all- is comtrary to what some here seem to believe

--so pray him to find such person. Someone who sees god, someone belonging to the vaishnava parampara NO, I WILL PRAY FOR THE FIRST IF IT IS HIS WILL, BUT TO WHATEVER CHURCH OR RELIGION THAT PERSON BELONGS, THAT IS UP TO HIM. HE KNOWS THAT I HAVE MORE URGENT NEEDS THAN THE KIND OF GURU YOU SPEAK OF. --i understand that you have concocted your own worshiping system.. be perfect in following something recommended by krsna himself. Like chanting hare krsna mahamantra WELL SORRY BUT I DO NOT KNOW FROM WHICH VERSE IN THE GITA YOU STATE THAT IT IS A NECESITY (SORRY FOR MIS-SPELLING) TO DO IT EXACTLY IN THAT WAY. IN FACT, I CAN REMEMBER IN THE GITA THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER TO GOD IF ITS A CHANT, OR 150 PSALMS, OR A DROP OF WATER, WHICH YOU OFFER TO HIM, AS LONG AS THE HEART YOU DO IT WITH IS GOOD. HE STATES IN THE GITA MANY DIFFERENT WAYS OF WORSHIP AND EXPLAINS THE DIFFERENCES. WHAT MATTERS IS THAT I HAVE HIM ON MY MIND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND WORSHIPPING THE WAY I DO IS JUST AS GOOD AS CHANTING HARE KRISHNA. and where does it end? --the end is god.. he's the original spiritual master SO, IF THERE IS A VOICE IN MY HEAD, WHICH WAS ALOT CLEARER IN CHILDHOOD, THAT I KNOW IS GOD AND WHO ALWAYS TELLS THE TRUTH AND PREDICTS THE FUTURE AND FULFILLS MY PRAYERS.... who did sarasvati thakur follow --sri jagannatha dasa babaji who did the master of sarasvati follow? --srila bhaktivinoda thakur AND WHAT IF THE MASTER DIES BEFORE THE STUDENT? why do you want me to baptise you? --i cannot baptize you.. but i recommend to you to find someone who can do it giving initiation and teaching to you. if you are not taught you cannot speak.. simple.. I WAS BAPTISED AS A CHILD AND I WAS BAPTISED WITH THE FIRE OF RUACH HA KODESH(THE HOLY SPIRIT) SINCE BIRTH, BUT I LOST IT, AS I KNEW I WOULD, SINCE MY CALLING ON EARTH IN NOT ORDINARY. he got crucified. just like you are crucifying me --crucified because i recommend to you to find a real master and to follow a real spiritual path? if you were a real spiritualist you were happy of it... NAH, BECAUSE YOU JUDGE ME AND THINK YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE I AM TOO GOD SIMPLY FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF YOUR LAW-I REMEMBER IN THE GITA KRISHNA SPEAKING OF PEOPLE WHO TAKE DELIGHT IN THE LETTER OF THE LAW. THEY ARE VERY ATTACHED TO JOY AND POWER. OH WAIT NOW IM JUDGING YOU. OH HELL What works for me is trusting the Lord alone --to trust means to follow... so trust to krsna when he says in bhagavad gita that the spiritual science has to be learned from a master connected to the lord. You are in illusion, you are an imperfect human, you cannot recognize if something you feel is from god or from illusion. So you need a teacher, a pure teacher.. HOW CAN I EVER KNOW A TEACHER IS PURE? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE TEACHER CAN RECOGNISE IF SOMETHING IS FROM GOD OR ILLUSION? THE TEACHER IS NOT GOD, AND OFTEN SAINTS SUCH AS JESUS CAME AND BOTH IN INDIA EN JUDEA/ISRAEL HE MOCKED THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS BECAUSE THEY WERE SELFISH PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED EVERY PUNISHMENT FOR OTHERS, AND DID EVERY OFFERING STRICTLY, BUT THE MORE SUBTLE POINTS AND IMPORTANT POINTS OF THE LAW -GRACE, LOVE, COMPASSION, WERE LEFT OUT. So if you had god you weren't not so opposite about taking shelter in a spiritual master I do --so do not be opposite and surrender. Study accurately krsna consciousness and only then come back to speak.. I SURRENDER UNTO WHATEVER SPIRITUAL PERSON GOD PUTS ON MY PATH IF HE WISHES ME TOO. AND I STUDY AS WELL GOD FROM MANY RELIGIONS, AS I KNOW THAT, IN SOME WAY, GOD IS THE GOD OF ALL THOSE MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIONS.

Why? If i truly trusted God, d trust in him and I try to make the best out of everyone, not just one person. besides, some people who bring me closer to God live in the USA. so i contact with email. and on sunday, i have my pastor. and I repeat:to be my master, you have to know me. and only few people know me truly. and no your wrong, god wants me to follow someone that teaches me to Love God, and He is far above just one church, religion, or denomination! --so among these persons choose someone who really sees god and belongs to vaishnava parampara as your main guru.. that's the process taught by god. If you love god you have to follow Him My friend, you are the one not close with God because you judge others when you know nothing about it, when devotees should be a Light to each other. for your information, i am now completely high not on drugs but because i just finished my daily routine:reciting 150 psalms for and about God. A routine which got me fired from godless work more than once. --because you are not serious, god sends you not so serious masters. Start chanting hare krsna mahamantra everyday and pray krsna to send you his representative and where does it end? who did sarasvati thakur follow, and who did the master of sarasvati follow? --he's a guru connected to god by sri gaudya vaishnava parampara'... his spiritual master was srila bhaktisiddhanta sarasvati thakur Well actually john the baptist was killed quite soon after jesus got baptised. and at age 12 in the hebrew temple, jesus told his parents and the scribes who were astounded by his intelligence that he 'was there to do his Fathers work' John himself said:why do you want me to baptise you? You should baptise me. And its clearly indicated he came in India not to study, but to teach. He was instructed from his birth, by God himself! --st john baptist.. he gave him initiation, read the gospels. And we do not know his life from 12 to 20 years, so he had plenty of time to be instructed.. even in india as many people say Yes he would. and what happened when jesus gave the right example? he got crucified. just like you are crucifying me -jesus didnt talk about going to gurus either you see. even when he knew he died and his followers would be left alone (that is, he send the Holy Spirit) he didnt say:quickly fetch yourself a guru before i die. And once again:I am NOT opposite to taking shelter in a spiritual master. I say we are all on our way, and there are different ways. If it works for you, I am glad for you. What works for me is trusting the Lord alone, and seeing Him in everything around me, loving everything ANd everyone around me, and when something or someone comes on my path to teach my lessons, I eagerly accept, and that continues until it stops, which is usually not my decision cuz i never block anyone or say to get away to me to anyone-unless its clearly Gods will. --who has god he gives to the others the example of the right behaviour. So if you had god you weren't not so opposite about taking shelter in a spiritual master I do --read bhagavad gita

only part of it my friend, only part of it /images/graemlins/smile.gif gotta love ya

OF COURSE im no cheater! how dare you say that you dont know a thing about me. i feel like a bug, but i know God sees it quite different. and dont you worry, i follow not one guru but i follow whomever Godly person god places on my path. you have to know my life and secrets to be my guru. you have no friggin idea how long im busy searching for someone who loves me with love of God! but in the end they always betray. and i continue on. and you cannot know me unless you know God 100% I know mr pradhupada. who did he follow btw? Who did guru jesus follow? who? oh right, noone, he didnt need to, he had God.

i am doing the job.

lets just say we dont know a thing lol /images/graemlins/smile.gif

in my childhood, there was no such thing as a vision. i could travel between worlds if i choose too, but i choose to do the job God gave me on the planet. and i dont know what it is, but its not an ordinary job.