i_luv_krishna

My apologies if i was quite tactless in the way i addressed or if i offended either you or vanamali with my comments. That wasn't my intention. Peace. =)

 

 

 

No! Thank you anyway .... I think I was just carried away .... I am sorry .... please .... Below - not addressed to you .... so kindly do not take it personally ....

But I wanted to make this point. The congregation does not make the whole world. And who the hell is afraid of being "thrown out of the temple ....." Jesus .... People still think this is an issue.

And of course .... you can't just kick around an impressionable mind expecting no one is gonna respond .... (not that somebody is .... but just in case)

I really wanted to say that .... Even if I rot in hell for this .... even that would be good enough .... I don't want to make people angry .... but why can't they just keep to themselves .... Time and again I see tender saplings of bhakti being crushed for reasons which make no sense to such spontaneous persons ....

Pranam Radha Kunda Das ji,

My dandavat pranams to you ...........

> There is so little about Candravalli in our gaudiya

> literature. Why is it so? Did no one care for her?

Now that you have brought this up what about the other gopis. Don't they feel love for Krishna. What about Rukmini, Satyabhama, and the 16 thousand queens. Are they devoid of any love for Krishna .....

What about Kubja, did She not love Krishna ..... Yes all of them love Krishna. Radha also loves Him.

What is the need to put down someone's love for Krishna just to eulogize somebody else. I bet Radha is not at all happy.

Actually I am thinking of starting a mailing list where love for Krishna can be discussed minus petty politics ....

I agree with you that we shouldn't treat 'others' as untouchables... =) I just think that there are nice ways to correct someone or simply advise than just being blunt and harsh (especially if they're deviating?) I don't really like hurting others feelings. I know she probably shouldn't have expressed her feelings like that on the forum but it's a good thing : we get to learn from our mistakes and that of others. But i wonder what's better holding stuff that eats you away or expressing them...? Peace. =)

 

 

 

I can assure you Sandra ji (taking cue from your post and as a digression - not really addressing you) , neither Vanamali ji nor myself is in need of advice. I don't think I have deviated (deviated from what?), and I am quite sure that Vanamali ji thinks likewise.

Vanamali ji has just expressed the natural feelings of her heart towards God .... I see this as a great event - a flowering of a devotee of the Lord.

Of course if this expression of divine love has come as a shocker to some people, then she has apologized. Case closed now ....

previous post by i_luv_krishna

> Is this the Sahajiya thread?

Don't worry, at least I am outta here ........

Dear Devotee,

You don't get it do you? Hari is not separate from Radha ....

Even Srimati Radharani will not save a person who has committed satAm nindA. When I was in Vrindavana, a devotee was audacious enough to make a Vrajavasi angry by trying to hide under the excuse that "Srimati Radharani will save us?" He did not happen to fare very good .....

This Vanamali ji has just offered her feelings for her Lord. She has been repeatedly saying that she is no pure devotee .... even some "cheap imitator". And when you all were not quite pleased, she begged for forgiveness but *only* asked that she be allowed to keep her feelings for her Lord. Even after this, if she has to be abused that her reply will be akin to indulging in false prema .... then .......

Listen dear devotee Guest ji,

I don't know who this "i_love_krishna" is except that I could not register that name because it was already taken. I have no interest in becoming somebody else. This name is sufficient. Only thing is that I have some personal reason not to reveal my true identity. Even then I know some people may know who I am.

I have no interest in what others think about me, nor do I want anybody to be responsible for my spiritual progress. I am a very stubborn person and I don't think anybody can change me .... that is unless I feel from my heart that I need to change.

I like somethings about Krishna and I just want to talk about those things .... I don't know whether I'll be delivered or condemned .... I don't care .... But I know that I am at peace with myself when I talk about Krishna and when I view Him in a particular manner. Of course, it seems that such things seem offensive to people here, so I have decided to better keep away for good. I think I will just start another moderated mailing list where I and like minded persons can just talk about my Krishna in peace.

> I will pay dearly for that.

Enough!

It is only Krishna who decides who is going to pay and for what. Who has false prema and who has true prema?

Beware .... beware .... be very careful .... If Hari decides to protect, who can harm? and if He decides to kill, who can save?

satAM nindA nAmnaH paramam aparAdhaM vitanute

yataH khyAtiM yAtaM katham u sahate tad-vigarhAm

nindAM bhagavataH SRNvaMs tat-parasya janasya vA

tato nApaiti yaH so 'pi yAty adhaH sukRtAc cyutaH

I'm sorry Guest ji for being so obnoxious to your sensibilities. My "imagination" and my "lust" are the only things that I have for myself in the name of my Lord. If I forsake them, I am just a non-entity. I know I have not one trace of bhakti in my being nor do I see myself attaining even that drop in the future ....

I think I should not be coming here.

I apologize again. I am sorry.

Goodbye ....

Radhe .... Radhe .... nobody in the three world understands You .... Oh! dearest Krishna .... look what I have done ....

> Please forgive me for dropping bombs, my dear...

Now a mistake is being made to drop the bomb on the self. How does the self know that the Self will not be hurt? Will the self like it if the Self is hurt?

dvA suparNA sayujA sakhAyA

Another one-

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Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste.

This song is from the 'Viraha Madhuri' of "Prema-Ras-Madira" by Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj.

One blessed Gopi in separation of Beloved Krishna tells her plight to one of her intimate Sakhis.

akhiyA, zyAma prema rasa mAtI,

O my dear friend! My eyes are drunk with the 'Syama-Prema-Rasa', Divine Love of Lord Krishna.

jaba te lakhI sakhi! nanda-nandana chavi, manda manda musukAtI,

I have been blessed with the enchanting vision of Nanda Nandana, the youthful, handsome Son of Nanda Maharaja. From that very moment onwards, His captivating smile has robbed me of all wisdom and soberness! Drowned in the intoxication of His passionate love, my mind has lost all its propriety and reasoning!

tabate ika pala kaha nahi kala sakhi! talaphati haum dinrAtI,

Now, day and night only His beauty and charm invade my thoughts. My heart deeply yearns for His eternal association. I have no peace of mind, and my soul is restless.

kari kari surati, sAmvari hi surati, bhari amsuvana jhari lAtI,

My heart is remembering His dalliance over and over again, my mind is lost in His loving exploits, and my eyes are streaming down the tears of Divine longing.

khArI laga vaikumTha vibhUti hu, muktihu nAhi suhAtI,

What can I say more about my madness! Even the Supreme majesty and opulence of the Lord of Vaikuntha doesn't attract me any more! I have renounced even 'Mukti', (Liberation) which is sought after by many great Sages.

I only long to become just a hand-maid of My Divine Beloved, Sri Krishna. Can anyone understand this craziness!

haum 'kRpAlu' aba hArigayI sakhI! tU hI kachu samujhAtI.

In the concluding verse the Poet-Saint Kripaluji sincerely requests the friend,

"Alas! I have been defeated in all my efforts to bring back myself to senses and breaking the shackles of 'emotional attachment' to the Supreme Hypnotist!

My dear friend with vast intellectual and reasoning skill! At least you can try to help my mind withdraw from this endless craving for My Divine Beloved! "

The Blessed Gopis of Vrindavan had asked Lord Krishna the same question in Srimad Bhagavatam 10.29.34, but even He could not undo His Hypnotic Spell!

cittaM sukhena bhavatApahRtaM gRheSu

yan nirvizaty uta karAv api gRhya-kRtye

pAdau padaM na calatas tava pAAda-mUlAt

yAmaH kathaM vrajam atho karavAma kiM vA?

(Srimad Bhagavatam 10.29.34)

O Krishna! You've so easily stolen our hearts, which up to now had been absorbed in our family lives, and our hands, which were busy with our housework.

Now our feet are incapable of taking even a single step away from Your lotus feet. How can we go back to Vraja? And even if we went, what would we do there?

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From somewhere in the internet-

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Jaya Sri Radhey! Namaste.

Happy Sri Krishna Jayanti celebrations to all.

Here is a sublime 'pad' for enjoying Sri Krishna Madhuri on this auspicious occasion.

This song is from the book- 'Prema-Rasa-Madira' of Sri Kripaluji Maharaj.

A Love-stricken Gopi, who had the Blessed Darshan (Divine Visual encounter) of her Beloved Shyama Sundar, Lord Sri Krishna, tells her experience to her intimate friend -

sakhi, shyaama ki manda, manda musukaan,

O my dear, what can I say about the sweet, gentle, enchanting 'smile' of my Shyama Sundar!

bisarata naahi sakhi! yekahu china, peetaambara paharaan,

Even for one second, my mind cannot give up the delightful reminiscence of the wavy movements of His dazzling robe, 'Pitaambara', the yellow silken garment elegantly covering His divine form!

All my earned virtues of good conduct are of no use for me and my ardent efforts for self-control have become utterly powerless.

maTakani mukuTa laTan ki laTakani, aTakyom tana, mana, praan,

His charming, jewelled crown with pea-cock feather, His captivating Lotus-face surrounded by the curly locks of dark hair, have become the noose and entangled my body, mind and soul.

ati rasa bhare nayan so herata, Therata muralee taan,

Moreover, His intoxicating looks are ever drowning me in the Nectar of Amorous Love!

How can I still keep my life-breath, when He calls me playing His Flute (Murali), inviting my soul to join His Blissful sports?

nitya vihaara karata vrindaavana, manjula kunja lataan,

O sakhi, He is tempting me with delight, and showering divine joy by His amorous dalliances in the blessed bowers of 'kunja', and the secret enchanting gardens of 'nikunja' day and night!"

The Poet-Saint Kripaluji sympathizes with the Gopi's plight in the concluding verse saying -

lakhi 'kripaalu' chuTi jaata samaadhina, Shiva Sanakaadika dhyaan.

Do not feel so disturbed and helpless! Even the greatest Yogi, Lord Shiva, Who has vanquished 'cupid' and the great Paramahamsas, the eternal celibates like Sanaka kumaras of heaven, who are ever absorbed in the Nirvikalpa Samadhi of the Absolute Brahman, have also become very perturbed by the Blessed sight of the All Attractive Blissful Lord, Sri Krishna and have fallen from their contemplation and given up their Trance!

So what to speak of the fate and state of any other ordinary soul at the transcendental meeting of her Divine Beloved!!!

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http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/gss/sastra/literature/texts/bilvamangala/krishna_karnamrita.rtf

O my Self! in your own interest I give you this warning. Never make the mistake of cultivating friendship with that child, the cowherd of Brindaban, who possesses the hue of a newly-formed cloud; bewitching you by His playful smile which showers nectar in the form of an ethereal beauty, He will rob you in no time of all your beloved objects of the world.

-Poet Jagannath (?)

shree venkatesham ati sundara mohanaangam

shree bhumi kaantam aravinda dalaayataaksham

praana priyam parama kaaruni kaamburaashim

brahmesha vandyam amrutam varadam namaami

akhila vibudha vandya vishvaruupam suresham

abhaya varada hastam kanchajaaksham ramesham

jaladhara nibhakaantim shree mahibhyaam sametam

paramapurusham aadyam venkatesham namaami

venkatesho vaasudevo vaarijaasanavanditah

swami pushkarini vaasa shankha chakra gadaadharah

piitaambara dharo devo garuda rudha shobhitah

vishvaatmaa visvalokesho vijayo venkateshvara

etaani dwaadasha naamaani trisandhyam yahpathennarah

sarva paapa vinirmukto vishnoh saayujyam aapnoyaat

Dear devotee Vanamali ji,

It is nice that you want to find other souls like us who feel like helpless girls before Lord Govinda, but I am afraid that devotees here may think that their goshthi is in danger. This "Audarya Fellowship" is primarily a Gaudiya Vaishnava site and that too with a "Hare Krishna" kind of focus.

Even ghosts like company, then what to speak of devotees. I have seen that devotees very carefully guard their circle and don't want unfavourable influences to be admitted. Now, they have invested a lot of resources, time and effort building up their association. They would just not like to see it break down so easily. Just as this "Guest ji" seems to have become sympathetic to us, this will surely be a cause of rising concern to them.

Of course, it is much better that a philosophy stand on its own strength and not have "muscle tactics" as its crutches. But unfortunately that is not the case most of the times. If people see their carefully nurtured gathering broken, they will respond one way or the other.

In my humble opinion, it is better not to disturb them in the "Spiritual Discussions" forum. They have not disturbed us so far in "Krishna Talk". Krishna willing, if any soul should be destined to be "like us", (s)he will be directed to our posts here.

Your wretched servant,

i_luv_krishna

> in competition with srimati radhika.

Tell me friend, will your deity be angry if I try to have feelings for Her Lord? Did the gopis feel jealous of each other? Did the queens say they wanted exclusive right over their Husband.

Yes I am a fool and I am just blabbering but what can I do, I am like that. I just pray to Srimati Radha ,who is Bhuu Svaruupaa, that She may take mercy on this useless soul and give me an opportunity to serve Them and Their devotees.

I don't want to make you all angry. Your devotion for Srimati Radha is so great that you do not want to see Krishna away from Her even for a second. Even a moment's separation of Krishna from Srimati Radha is not tolerable for you. So I guess my saying that I have feelings for Sri Krishna is very disturbing to you. Please forgive me.

But what can I do now that nila shyam megha varna Krishna has upset all my devotion. What can I do?

If you get a chance, listen to the "BANGALORE SISTERS" from "Shruti Tracks music company". They have magic in their voice. May be Govinda Ashtakam and Venkatesha Dwadasha Nama Sthothram also.

> no madhurya without aishwarya

yes I know that He maintains this universe with just one fragment of His opulences.

vistabhyaham idam krtsnam ekamsena sthito jagat

With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe.

> not all the devotees, even at the first levels of

> practice, are imitators.

A symptom of a fallen person is that he is a slave to his habit. I cannot help it. Even with all the beating from the world or from the Lord Himself.

> The majority does not think at

> all to have a sentimental/sensual relationship with krsna

> in competition with srimati radhika.

"in competition"? whaaa...........? If I hurt Her, let Krishna send me to andah tamah. May be He will never come to me but how do I change the feeling that I have for Him. It is not possible for me and I do not see it being changed in future. That "feeling" for Him - that is the bottomline, not what I get back in return. Do you seriously think that if I have feelings for Krishna, Srimati Radha will feel competition. An elephant feeling competition from a bug?

> Our gaudya vaishnava

> acharyas are very clear and most of us follow this mood

I have tried and I cannot follow it. I still declare that *YOUR* Gaudiya sampradaya is the pinnacle of sacrifice. But I do not have that capacity for sacrifice.

> so let us do his wish practising as disciples of the

> master who is an assistant of the gopis who serves radha,

> who is the servant of krsna... to imagine that we are

> fiancees of krsna will not help us too much

Wherever Krishna wants. I will be Her servant's servant's servant. I can identify with Srimati Radharani's feelings, but I cannot identify with the manjaris. I just cannot remove my feelings of (so called) love for Krishna - just as a girl would love a boy. May be I will never get Him, but still I have that (so called) love.

Dear Vanamali ji,

Srimati Radharani is your dear Bhuu Devi in Vrindavana lila and Satyabhama in Dwarka .... whoever is touched by the mercy of Her lotus feet is sure to become mad .... insane ....

Sri Hari's dear devotees,

May be Srimati Radharani feels happy whenever a lost soul tries to reach Krishna, not just pure devotees. My mistake. I did not make it clear enough. Of course, I have no knowledge. I am heavily dependent on you all.

> if your intimate "mad" feelings about sri krsna were

> authentic you would not bother to show them to all,

> but you were in krsnaloka enjoying lilas as a gopi

> simply cheap imitation of the mirabai's mood..

dear devotee of Krishna. Let your glory be establlished throughout the universe.

we are not at all claiming to be authentic. We are indeed insane people. Cheap imitators. Somehow or the other, we have the fortune of taking Krishna's names while imitating these feelings. That gives us some solace. May be of the wrong kind. We are all just dependent on the mercy of devotees to show us the path. But then we are so very habituated to our wrong ways, we find it difficult to give up because that feeling just springs up out of nowhere.

> so be serious, coherent and practice some religion

Your advice is shirodhaari. When my heart is cleansed by the mercy of the devotees. Perhaps I will be able to serously take to the path of devotion.

our tradition:

 

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sri-radhika-madhavayor apara-

madhurya-lila-guna-rupa-namnam

prati-ksanasvadana-lolupasya

vande guroh sri-caranaravindam

 

The spiritual master is always eager to hear and chant about the unlimited conjugal pastimes of Radhika and Madhava, and Their qualities, names, and forms. The spiritual master aspires to relish these at every moment. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master.

 

 

 

O dear one of Hari,

Your tradition is the greatest and the best. There is none to compete in the three worlds. Yet because of our so fallen condition we are unable to understand its glory. That sublime name of Radha will not sit in our tongue. So we paatakis have, somehow or the other, found shelter in Krishna's name. Now whether He kicks us or keeps us, it is His wish.

Its a fact the Pure devotees are always happy to see

 

Srimati Radha-Krishna together,

 

 

 

Its a fact Srimati Radha is always happy to see pure devotees and Krishna together ....

Lord Krishna engaged in water sport with His wives

In this way, Lord Krishna used to enjoy the company of His sixteen thousand wives. Devotees of the Lord who want to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the mellow of conjugal love are elevated to the position of becoming wives of Krishna, and Krishna also keeps them always attached to Him by His kind behavior. Krishna's behavior with His wives, His movements, His talking with them, His smiling, His embracing, and similar other activities just like a loving husband kept them always very much attached to Him. That is the highest perfection of life. If someone remains always attached to Krishna, it is to be understood that he is liberated, and his life is successful. With any devotee who loves Krishna with his heart and soul, Krishna reciprocates in such a way that the devotee cannot remain unattached to Him. The reciprocal dealings of Krishna and His devotees are so attractive that a devotee cannot think of any subject matter other than Krishna.

-From Krishna Book, Chapter 90