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I'm just tired of the games. You're so right about the time. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I don't have any hostilities toward you… more like disappointment. I wish you well. (Relationships are as dynamic as circumstances themselves).

"Ask the Lord why and just gets rhetoritcaly put back in my face. Why indeed?" I think you're acting a little strange Theist. These trolls getting to you? If you have to ask the Lord why your nonsense, then you're simply not sincere in talking with Him. You sound alot like guest(s) to me. Why ignore very meaningful devotional service I've offered and then complain about your indulgence in a way that makes you look disposed to sinning? Why undermine your credibility in that way? The sincerity just doesn't ring true: If you're sincere enough to cry to others about it and still do it, you must be shameless… and stupid. I've seen alot of this around here… rhetorical… suggestive… associative… but not sincere. I knew you'd get caught up in this deception 'cause your daily pastime is jiv'in all day. This is staged nonsense… "Hey, I'm having a crisis! But no, I'm not asking for help or really seeking a cure. (I'm just crying wolf). But listen very carefully to what I say." I don't know if I'll do that. (Maybe it's time for a vacation away from this sadistic cr_p). I consider my activities to be more imporatant than just about anybody else's. I have not got the time nor interest to be played like a fool. That Smell Whiskey bottles, and brand new cars Oak tree you're in my way There's too much coke and too much smoke Look what's going on inside you Ooooh that smell Can't you smell that smell Ooooh that smell The smell of death surrounds you Angel of darkness is upon you Stuck a needle in your arm So take another toke, have a blow for your nose One more drink fool, will drown you Ooooh that smell Can't you smell that smell Ooooh that smell The smell of death surrounds you Now they call you Prince Charming Can't speak a word when you're full of 'ludes Say you'll be all right come tomorrow But tomorrow might not be here for you Ooooh that smell Can't you smell that smell Ooooh that smell The smell of death surrounds you Hey, you're a fool you Stick them needles in your arm I know I been there before One little problem that confronts you Got a monkey on your back Just one more fix, Lord might do the trick One hell of a price for you to get your kicks Ooooh that smell Can't you smell that smell Ooooh that smell The smell of death surrounds you Ooooh that smell Can't you smell that smell Ooooh that smell The smell of death surrounds you - Lynyrd Skynyrd

This formulated in my brain though I wasn't dwelling on it… Aquatics, plants, insects, birds, animals, etc. evolve automatically to the higher bodily form with no circumspection. Demigods more or less fall to earth to take birth. Right? So that means hell is only for the unfortunate humans who blow it. Even demigods desire birth here because of it's duality? Seems great peril comes with that opportunity? ................................. There was something at the end of the Mahabharata about choosing to experience good or bad deeds first. I didn't understand.

They won't be happy until they can tell everyone what an honor it was for YOU to give your life. Wanna be a hero? ......................... Army To Recall Former Military Members WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Army is preparing to notify about 5,600 retired and discharged soldiers who are not members of the National Guard or Reserve that they will be involuntarily recalled to active duty for possible service in Iraq or Afghanistan, Army officials said Tuesday. It marks the first time the Army has called on the Individual Ready Reserve, as this category of reservists is known, in substantial numbers since the 1991 Gulf War. The move reflects the continued shortage of troops available to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to fight the ongoing war on terrorism as well as Operation Iraqi Freedom. Lt. Gen. Frank Hagenbeck, the Army's deputy chief of staff for personnel, said earlier this month of the Army's troop strength, "We are stretched but we have what we need." Pentagon officials have echoed that statement explaining that while the military is reaching deep into its resources, war planners have long had contingency plans such as this for when troops are really needed. Several hundred members of the ready reserve have volunteered for active-duty service since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Those who are part of the involuntary call up are likely to be assigned to National Guard or Reserve units that have been mobilized for duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, according to Army officials. An announcement is planned for Wednesday. Members of Congress were being notified of the decision Tuesday, the officials said. Unlike members of the National Guard and Reserve, the individual reservists do not perform regularly scheduled training. Any former enlisted soldier who did not serve at least eight years on active duty is in the Individual Ready Reserve pool, as are all officers who have not resigned their commission. The Army has been reviewing its list of 118,000 eligible individual reservists for several weeks in search of qualified people in certain high-priority skill areas like civil affairs.

SB 10.32.15 Sri Krsna had awakened romantic desires within the gopis, and they honored Him by glancing at Him with playful smiles, gesturing amorously with their eyebrows, and massaging His hands and feet as they held them in their laps. Even while worshiping Him, however, they felt somewhat angry, and thus they addressed Him as follows. SB 10.32.16 The gopis said: Some people reciprocate the affection only of those who are affectionate toward them, while others show affection even to those who are indifferent or inimical. And yet others will not show affection toward anyone. Dear Krsna, please properly explain this matter to us. PURPORT By this apparently polite question, the gopis want to expose Lord Krsna’s failure to properly reciprocate their love. They were very disturbed when Sri Krsna left them in the forest, and they want to know why He caused them to suffer in these loving affairs. SB 10.32.17 The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: So-called friends who show affection for each other only to benefit themselves are actually selfish. They have no true friendship, nor are they following the true principles of religion. Indeed, if they did not expect benefit for themselves, they would not reciprocate. PURPORT The Lord here reminds the gopis that in pure loving friendship there is no sense of selfish interest but rather only love for one’s friend. SB 10.32.18 My dear slender-waisted gopis, some people are genuinely merciful or, like parents, naturally affectionate. Such persons, who devotedly serve even those who fail to reciprocate with them, are following the true, faultless path of religion, and they are true well-wishers. SB 10.32.19 Then there are those individuals who are spiritually self-satisfied, materially fulfilled or by nature ungrateful or simply envious of superiors. Such persons will not love even those who love them, what to speak of those who are inimical. PURPORT Some people, being spiritually self-satisfied, do not reciprocate others’ affection because they want to avoid entanglement in mundane dealings. Other persons do not reciprocate simply out of envy or arrogance. And still others fail to reciprocate because they are materially satisfied and thus uninterested in new material opportunities. Lord Krsna patiently explains all these things to the gopis. SB 10.32.20 But the reason I do not immediately reciprocate the affection of living beings even when they worship Me, O gopis, is that I want to intensify their loving devotion. They then become like a poor man who has gained some wealth and then lost it, and who thus becomes so anxious about it that he can think of nothing else. PURPORT Lord Krsna states in Bhagavad-gita, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham: [bg. 4.11] “As people approach Me, I reciprocate with them accordingly.” Yet even if the Lord is approached by someone with devotion, to intensify the devotee’s love the Lord may not immediately reciprocate fully. In fact, the Lord is truly reciprocating. After all, a sincere devotee always prays to the Lord, “Please help me to love You purely.” Therefore the Lord’s so-called neglect is actually the fulfillment of the devotee’s prayer. Lord Krsna intensifies our love for Him by apparently separating Himself from us, and the result is that we achieve what we really wanted and prayed for: intense love for the Absolute Truth, Krsna. Thus Lord Krsna’s apparent negligence is actually His thoughtful reciprocation and the fulfillment of our deepest and purest desire. According to the acaryas, as Lord Krsna began to speak this verse the gopis looked at one another with squinting eyes, trying to hide the smiles breaking out on their faces. Even as Lord Krsna was speaking, the gopis had begun to realize that He was bringing them to the highest perfection of loving service. SB 10.32.21 My dear girls, understanding that simply for My sake you had rejected the authority of worldly opinion, of the Vedas and of your relatives, I acted as I did only to increase your attachment to Me. Even when I removed Myself from your sight by suddenly disappearing, I never stopped loving you. Therefore, My beloved gopis, please do not harbor any bad feelings toward Me, your beloved. PURPORT Here the Lord indicates that though the gopis were already perfect in their love for Him, still, to inconceivably increase their perfection and show an example for the world, He acted as He did. SB 10.32.22 I am not able to repay My debt for your spotless service, even within a lifetime of Brahma. Your connection with Me is beyond reproach. You have worshiped Me, cutting off all domestic ties, which are difficult to break. Therefore please let your own glorious deeds be your compensation. PURPORT The translation and word meanings for this verse are taken from Srila Prabhupada’s English rendering of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta (adi 4.180). In conclusion, the gopis became eternally glorious by their behavior in the Lord’s temporary absence, and the mutual love between them and the Lord was wonderfully enhanced. This is the perfection of Krsna and His loving devotees.

Hridayananda says the nature of this world is that everyone knows who won the world series, but no one knows who God is. I say everyone is giving their valuable time and money to the rich based on their "good intentions", but they haven't got a second thought for serving Prabhupada or Krsna. "Everything I do is for Krsna and that's increasing with practice. Been 30 years on this diet. Go away and practice your own program." "That sounds wonderful Prabhu. You'll be a GURU preacher in no time." You get what you pay for. (Just keep paying the rich). /images/graemlins/smile.gif Good Morning! Love Can Make You Happy Wake up in the morning, with the sunshine in your eyes, And the smell of flowers blooming, fills the air. Your mind is filled with the thoughts of a certain someone, that you love, Your life is filled with joy when she is there. Love can make you happy, If you fine someone who cares to give, A life time to you, And who has a love to share. If you think you've found someone you'll love forevermore, Then it's worth the price you'll have to pay, babe. To have to hold's important, but forever is the phrase, That means a love you've found is going to stay. Love can make you happy, If you fine someone who cares to give, A life time to you, And who has a love to share. La la love, la la love. Love can make you happy... Love can make you happy... Love can make you happy... Love... - Mercy

SB 10.29.27 Transcendental love for Me arises by the devotional processes of hearing about Me, seeing My Deity form, meditating on Me and faithfully chanting My glories. The same result is not achieved by mere physical proximity. So please go back to your homes.

I just had a realization that should give us hope. Somehow or other, get one of us - or equvalent devotee - to debate a karmi presidential candidate on national tv. Presto! New World Order!

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1500&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040628%2F1456450847.htm&sc=1500

Lincoln Park Zoo Apes Get to Take Revenge By LISA SCHENCKER CHICAGO (AP) - The apes at Lincoln Park Zoo are finally getting a chance to take their revenge on people who for years have been pounding their palms against the glass walls of the primates' old home. At the zoo's new Regenstein Center for African Apes, chimpanzees can touch a panel hidden from public view that will shoot harmless bursts of air at unsuspecting visitors. You often hear about chimps spitting or throwing,'' said Steve Ross, a behaviorist at the zoo. ``They do that to get a rise out of the public. This gives them that opportunity but in a safe way.'' The feature is one of many in the 55,000-square-foot habitat meant to help people connect with their primate cousins. Lincoln Park Zoo was already renowned for its primate breeding success, with 45 gorilla births since 1970. With its new facility, opening July 1, it joins a growing number of U.S. zoos striving to make exhibits more exciting for people and more natural for the animals. Zoo officials hope the exhibit's realistic environments will give visitors new respect for apes and allow scientists to observe the apes acting as they would in the wild. Its predecessor, the Lester E. Fisher Great Ape House, was dark and cavernous, but the $26 million Regenstein Center, the most expensive facility ever built at the 35-acre zoo, is spacious, airy and green. A downed tree forms a bridge that apes can use to cross a waterfall, and mulch-covered floors imitate a natural forest and are gentler on apes' joints. The zoo's 24 apes can climb trees and see the John Hancock Center to the right and Lake Michigan to the left. The primates also can control fans hidden in boulders, helping them moderate the effects of Chicago's muggy summers and icy winters, and touch panels in fake tree trunks that will catapult snacks toward them through grates in the walls. Many zoos are striving to make their ape exhibits more natural and interactive to serve an increasingly sophisticated public, said Diana DeVaughn, spokeswoman for the Louisville Zoo in Kentucky, which won a top American Zoo and Aquarium Association award last year for its gorilla exhibit. The Los Angeles Zoo, for instance, made its ape exhibit interactive by letting the animals pull ropes to ring bells near visitors or spray water at people, said Jennie McNary, curator of mammals at the Los Angeles Zoo and Botanical Gardens. The chimps were smart enough to figure out they could startle people with it,'' she said. Ross said he's not yet sure how people or apes will react to the air blasters at Lincoln Park. Zoo officials hope the habitats will help visitors feel physically and emotionally closer to the apes, zoo president Kevin Bell said. Connecting with the animals could inspire people to care more about helping apes in zoos and in the wild, he said. Only 375 gorillas now live in U.S. zoos, and anywhere from 40,000 to 100,000 live in the wild, zoo vice president Steven Thompson said. Experts suspect that the wild gorilla population has declined 30 to 50 percent in the past 15 years because of hunting and damage to their natural habitats. They're so close to humans,'' Bell said. ``Yet there's very few of these animals left in the wild.''

"That open letter struck me as the way a genuine godbrother would speak to his comrade… " ...................... Yes. I was glowing with admiration for Radha Krsna at his painful honesty. I think it goes a long way to heal his own problems. (I also think there is great political value in such people uniting to make a change. That would turn their experience into a positive spiritual happenstance. But that's getting into rough seas). I think the letter and it's accompanying action is simply brilliant devotion. Just goes to show you how you can dovetail everything for Krsna. I was also proud of this tradition that inspired such merit from a broken man. I can think of no modern examples in business or politics of a person confiding to a peer with similar advice. Inspired me with hope. We can save ourselves alot of trouble if we can just be honest about our own limitations… No, I'm not saying advertise them. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Krsna's the only one that can do that. Maybe 'cause he don't have any. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

I've seen that before, but it didn't make an impression on me. Didn't do much to explain things this time either. (No fault of yours). Thanks.

You know enough to bluff me. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Maybe you're not bluffing. I can't tell. It sure sounds right. I accept your version, but I'd like to hear a little more. Any verses in support of brahmajoyti specifically supporting the sun? ....................... I've heard it said that our biggest nukes would go unnoticed on the sun. So at every moment there is inconceivable energy being released there.

We hear of evil omens throughout scripture as well as a few positive ones. I'd like to hear of a few examples. Anybody teach me how to recognize one? ............................................... SB 10.16.12 In the Vrndavana area there then arose all three types of fearful omens—those on the earth, those in the sky and those in the bodies of living creatures—which announced imminent danger. PURPORT According to srila sridhara Svami, the omens were as follows: on the earth there were disturbing tremors, in the sky there were meteors falling, and in the bodies of creatures there was shivering, as well as quivering of the left eye and other parts of the body. These omens announce imminent danger.

It is indeed amazing that these self-contained planets with all their individual variety just float in space. The planets can be considered to depend on the sun. But what does the sun depend on? It's burning from what fuel? Even if you can explain the fuel theory, how do you explain the sustained intensity (Really can't bluff your way around that one) ? You bow down. That's how. It can be argued the primitive worshipers were more advanced than us.

SB 10.23.39 Taking note of their wives’ pure, transcendental devotion for Lord Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and seeing their own lack of devotion, the brahmanas felt most sorrowful and began to condemn themselves. SB 10.23.40 [The brahmanas said:] To hell with our threefold birth, our vow of celibacy and our extensive learning! To hell with our aristocratic background and our expertise in the rituals of sacrifice! These are all condemned because we were inimical to the transcendental Personality of Godhead. PURPORT As explained in the definitions above, the words tri-vrd janma, or “threefold birth,” refer to 1) physical birth, 2) brahminical initiation and 3) initiation into the performance of Vedic sacrifice. Everything is useless if one is ignorant of the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Lord Krsna. SB 10.23.41 The illusory potency of the Supreme Lord certainly bewilders even the great mystics, what to speak of us. As brahmanas we are supposed to be the spiritual masters of all classes of men, yet we have been bewildered about our own real interest. SB 10.23.42 Superficially, the husbands, fathers, fathers-in-law and so on were the ladies’ gurus, or teachers. Yet the women had become perfect in Krsna consciousness, whereas the men had fallen into the darkness of Ignorance. According to Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, upon returning home the ladies showed transcendental ecstatic symptoms, such as trembling of the body, shedding of tears, standing of the bodily hairs on end, discoloration of the complexion, crying out “O pleasure of my life, O Krsna!” with faltering words, and so forth. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti goes on to state that while one may object that it is not fitting for a woman to love anyone other than her husband, here the husbands themselves point out that they are gurus only in imitation of the Supreme Lord, who is jagad-guru, the universal teacher and spiritual master. The husbands noted that the women, having perfected their transcendental attachment for Krsna, did not have even a trace of attachment left for home, husband, children and so forth. Therefore from that day on the husbands accepted those ladies as their worshipable spiritual masters and no longer thought of them as their wives or property. SB 10.23.43-44 These women have never undergone the purificatory rites of the twice-born classes, nor have they lived as brahmacaris in the asrama of a spiritual master, nor have they executed austerities, speculated on the nature of the self, followed the formalities of cleanliness or engaged in pious rituals. Nevertheless, they have firm devotion for Lord Krsna, whose glories are chanted by the exalted hymns of the Vedas and who is the supreme master of all masters of mystic power. We, on the other hand, have no such devotion for the Lord, although we have executed all these processes. PURPORT According to srila sridhara Svami, the husbands were not aware that their wives had occasionally associated with residents of Vrndavana, such as the flower ladies, and had heard about the beauty and qualities of Krsna. The brahmanas were astonished at their wives’ loving devotion for Lord Krsna, not realizing that this devotion had developed as a result of hearing and chanting about the Lord in the association of His pure devotees. SB 10.23.45 Indeed, infatuated as we are with our household affairs, we have deviated completely from the real aim of our life. But now just see how the Lord, through the words of these simple cowherd boys, has reminded us of the ultimate destination of all true transcendentalists.

SB 10.23.9 The brahmanas heard this supplication from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, yet they refused to pay heed. Indeed, they were full of petty desires and entangled in elaborate rituals. Though presuming themselves advanced in Vedic learning, they were actually inexperienced fools. PURPORT These childish brahmanas were full of petty desires, such as the desire to attain to material heaven, and therefore they could not recognize the golden transcendental opportunity offered them by the arrival of Krsna’s personal boyfriends. Presently, throughout the world, people are madly pursuing material advancement and thus cannot hear the message of the Supreme Lord Krsna that is being broadcast through the missionary activities of the Krsna consciousness movement. Times have hardly changed, and proud, materialistic priests are still prevalent on the earth. SB 10.23.10-11 Although the ingredients of sacrificial performance—the place, time, particular paraphernalia, mantras, rituals, priests, fires, demigods, performer, offering and the as yet unseen beneficial results—are all simply aspects of His opulences, the brahmanas saw Lord Krsna as an ordinary human because of their perverted intelligence. They failed to recognize that He is the Supreme Absolute Truth, the directly manifest Personality of Godhead, whom the material senses cannot ordinarily perceive. Thus bewildered by their false identification with the mortal body, they did not show Him proper respect. PURPORT The ritualistic brahmanas could not understand why the sacrificial food should be offered to Lord Krsna, whom they considered an ordinary human being. Just as a person with rose-colored glasses sees the entire world as rose-colored, a conditioned soul with mundane vision sees even God Himself as mundane and thus loses the opportunity to go back home, back to Godhead.

We express our 'callings' differently. No problem. OR "I know… I know. It's just my duty to ask." Let me know if you need help with a KC site.

I just came across this. I guess it belongs here. http://devotees.krishna.org/Articles/2004/06/008.html

SB 10.20.12 With their wealth of grains, the fields gave joy to the farmers. But those fields created remorse in the hearts of those who were too proud to engage in farming and who failed to understand how everything is under the control of the Supreme. PURPORT It is common for people living in large cities to become miserable and disgusted when there is ample rainfall. They do not understand or have forgotten that the rain is nourishing the crops they will eat. Although they certainly enjoy eating, they do not appreciate that with the rain the Supreme Lord is feeding not only human beings but also plants, animals and the earth itself. Modern, sophisticated people often look down their noses at those engaged in agricultural work. In fact, in American slang, a simple, unintelligent person is sometimes called “a farmer.” There are also government agencies that restrict agricultural production because certain capitalists fear the effect on market prices. Because of various artificial and manipulative practices in modern governments, we find widespread food shortages throughout the world—even in the United States, among the poverty-stricken—and at the same time we find the governments paying farmers not to plant crops. Sometimes these governments throw huge amounts of food into the ocean. Thus the administration of the arrogant and ignorant, those who are too proud to obey the laws of God or too ignorant to recognize them, will always cause frustration among the people, whereas a God conscious government will provide abundance and happiness for all. ............................... Which system do you represent?

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Fastest I could ever do the rounds was over 3 hours. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I was usually fine attending the morning program, but often found myself nodding out during morning japa. And I always hated the pressure to do the rounds within a time limit… It's hard to run thru them rounds and not sound mechanical.

Whether it is trolls picking over the discrepencies they really aren't interested in following themselves, or whether it is older devotees preparing for better days, almost no one is actually benefitting Krsna. So after so much argument we agree to a strict sadhana. How much sadhana before we come 'round to where we started… distributing Prabhupada's books? You can debate action for a whole lifetime. You can find you've missed the starting gun… Time Ticking away the moments that make up the dull day You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town Waiting for someone or something to show you the way Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today And then one day you find that ten years have got behind you No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun And you run and run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking And racing around to come up behind you again The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older Shorter of breath and one day closer to death Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time Plans that either come to naught or a half page of scribbled lines Hanging on in a quiet desperation is the English way The time is gone the song is over, thought i'd something more to say – Pink Floyd .................................. SB 10.14.3 Those who, even while remaining situated in their established social positions, throw away the process of speculative knowledge and with their body, words and mind offer all respects to descriptions of Your personality and activities, dedicating their lives to these narrations, which are vibrated by You personally and by Your pure devotees, certainly conquer Your Lordship, although You are otherwise unconquerable by anyone within the three worlds. PURPORT Here the word udapasya clearly indicates that one should not even slightly endeavor to understand the Absolute Truth by the process of mental speculation, for it invariably carries one to an imperfect, impersonal understanding of God. The word jivanti indicates that a devotee who always hears about Lord Krsna will go back home, back to Godhead, even if he can do nothing except maintain his existence and hear topics concerning the Lord. srila Sanatana Gosvami has explained the words tanu-van-manobhih (“by the body, words and mind”) in three ways. In reference to devotees, through their body, words and mind they are able to conquer Lord Krsna. Thus becoming perfect in Krsna consciousness, they can touch His lotus feet with their hands, call Him to come with their words, and attain His direct audience within their mind simply by thinking about Him. In the case of nondevotees, the words tanu-van-manobhih refer to the word ajita, “unconquered,” and indicate that those not engaged in the loving service of Lord Krsna cannot conquer the Absolute Truth by their bodily strength, verbal expertise or mental power. Despite all their endeavors, the ultimate truth remains beyond their reach. /images/graemlins/smile.gif In reference to the word jitah, “conquered,” the words tanu-van-manobhih indicate that the pure devotees of Lord Krsna conquer His body, words and mind. Lord Krsna’s body is conquered because He always remains by the side of His pure devotees; Lord Krsna’s words are conquered because He always chants the glories of His devotees; and Lord Krsna’s mind is conquered because He always thinks about His loving devotees. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti thakura has explained the words tanu-van-manobhih in regard to the word namantah, “offering obeisances.” He explains that the devotees can take full advantage of the transcendental topics of the Lord by offering all respects to those topics with their body, words and mind. One should engage his body by touching the ground with his hands and head while offering obeisances to the topics of the Lord; one should engage his words by praising transcendental literatures such as Bhagavad-gita and srimad-Bhagavatam, as well as the devotees who are preaching such literatures; and one should engage his mind by feeling great reverence and pleasure while hearing the transcendental topics of the Lord. In this way, a sincere devotee who has acquired even a small amount of transcendental knowledge about Lord Krsna can conquer Him and thus go back home, back to Godhead, for eternal life at the Lord’s side.

Hridayananda… So he was extemely generous to Dhritarastra. Dhritarastra tells Duryodhana that uh, "Pandu was wonderful to the family and he was especially kind to me. His children are the same way." But then Duryodhana keeps pushing these points; you know this will happen… that will happen. And Dhritarastra becomes… He never really likes it, but he just looks the other way… and he became corrupted. Because that is the point of Mahabharata. Mahabharata is so powerful because it talks about a very modern situation.