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Dandavats, Where could I read more about or from Srimati Govinda devi dasi ?

Dandavats, Isn't there a temple around or near you that can sell you the 18 volume set with a pay-off system ? That's how i got my complete set. I was allowed to pay the set off in monthly terms and you still get the whole volume in one time. That seems to be the best way of you don't have a lot of cash. And like Priita pointed out, you can read it all online but yeah, in the end reading on the computer is definitely not the same as holding a precious book. If I were you I would look into getting it with the payments system. Haribol Ys

Only thru this forum I came to know that Gelatin is from animal sources. Yeah, there's lots of people that make a weird face when you tell them what gelatin REALLY is. It's actually in so many stuff...candy for instance. Overhere in the western world there's maybe a few sorts of candy that doesn't contain gelatin.

Exactly, it can prove to be very dangerous. Though I have to say, I totally admire the true yogi's that have mastered the art of breathing. I can't recall in exactly what purport Srila Prabhupada is talking about it but he also says that we have a preset amount of breaths that we can take in this life...yogi's can live longer because they are not wasting their breath and they even practice to breath in deeper and longer, to leave more time between the breathing etc etc. But like the previous poster said...I also think that just chanting will prove to be more usefull for us Kali-Yuga people. Especially us here in the Western world. We are not at all encouraged here to live like that, we're not even encouraged to lead a devotional life, just a hectic, chaotic life in the crazy economic capitalistic world where everything is measure in profit and money.

Nope, MOST yoghurt is NOT at all vegetarian. I'm actually glad that something like this is being discussed here. I think that we should be way more aware of what we put in our body (takes note to say that to myself in the mirror) Personaly I believe that a raw food/vegan diet is the healthiest we can get...drinking milk is also not good for humans. I know that this is a difficult topic in the Krishna movement but it is something that will need to be considered in due time...vaisnavism is about tolerance and I don't think that we should tolerate what is going on in the dairy business. We make a stand against eating meat and we really should take that one step further...and not tolerate anything that is causing abuse to helpless creatures wheter they are humans or animals. ANyways, back to the topic: it's not only yoghurt we have to watch...we need to check the E numbers and then there's the stuff we can't check like certain additives for flavor etc etc...

I would very much like to discuss this matter but not on this forum as I realize that this is not the place to do so. It is however a topic that interest me a great deal and that I give a lot of thought. Haribol.

Yeah Sunanda, give us the dirt...hahaha, no just kidding. I don't really care. That sucks though Nicole that she didn't get back to you, that's definitely not the right mentality. I can imagine that you must feel dissapointed somehow. Ah well, let's give her the benefit of the doubts by thinking that she just doesn't use the email adress that you wrote to... /images/graemlins/wink.gif ANd ofcourse we were thinking that you were ignoring us...

So nice to read that i'm not the only one that made the mistake of selling my books. /images/graemlins/wink.gif I also flirted with Buddhism for a while but that's just not for me. I love Krishna way too much.

Dandavats, Hahaha, I like this thread, it's familiar. You know, ever since I got into KC in the middle of the 90's I have gotten angry at Krishna a few times, in fact, I was even disussing it with my friend this morning, and how stupid it was to blame someone else but me. I even took it all the way to where I threw away all my books, imagine that...Did it help ? Nope, I just had to re-buy all those books that I lost... Now I still get angry at Krishna sometimes but I try to realize as fast as I can that it's me that I need to get upset at...I'm the one that's not perfect not Krishna. And one thing I can say: Krishna takes care of his devotees. You may not alwways see it right away but He does and even pain can be a useful tool on the path to perfection. And drugs: I've done them all: LSD, speed, weed, alcohol, cigarettes and you know what, no matter how high you get you WILL have to come down again and each and every time you do drugs the getting down becomes harder. Now I live without all that stuff and to tell you the truth, it rules ! Fact is: life in the material world will never be easy but we can make it easier and turning to Krishna, surrendering our whole soul and heart to Krishna is the only way to make it easier and hey, you don't have to come down of that high... I know that I will try my hardest to never go back again to the life that was pulling my straight down into misery and I sincerely hope you'll be able to do the same. And if you need to talk to someone just say so...I'm sure that there's lots of people here that will be more than willing to talk to you, I know that I'm one of them. YS haribol

Dandavats, Oh, so YOU are gonna burn those cd's for me ? /images/graemlins/wink.gif And yeah, projectkate rules...so mellow. One of these days I'm gonna record all my songs for you. That is, if I still know how to play them. hahaha... Hairbol.

I understand and I'm definitely not condemning that interest in any way...just wondering if we can ever truly 'comprehend' it. But I'm definitely not pointing fingers...one of my best friends has been a 'serious' UFO investigator for over the past fifteen years and I also have a 'questioning' personality which is what brought me to KC in the first place but when I got into KC I started realizing that asking too many questions could be very bad for me as it sometimes made me get lost in all different theories. And also, I haad this feeling that you risk getting into more arguments with other people when you are really into all of this searching for answers. I think for me it's better to just stick with chanting and serving.

Thinking about stuff like that seriousely makes my head hurt. I really wonder if we are even supposed to ask questions like these already. We're so small and insignificant, we don't even know yet how to live on this planet with the upmost respect for every living creature on it nor do we know how to respect our own planet and still we're trying to understand these issues that are so beyond our conception. I believe that we will get all the answers in due time but imho we still have a very long way to go.

Dandavats, Yeah, I'm a pretty big shelter fan. That is, early Shelter when Ray was still heavily into KC...shelter just isn't the same anymore. And 108, well, Vic did move out of the temple. Have you read his article: I was a teenage krishna ? You can find it on his personal site. ANd hey, if you want to message me just use my email... cantfeedmenow@hotmail.com

Nope, I haven't checked her solo stuff yet. They never really sold it overhere and I never ordered it. And two cd's with shelter ? Are you talking about the bhajan cd's ? I have one but I didn't knew there were two. In fact, I even lost mine...I gave it to a friend and he lost the cd so now I just got the case left and yeah, that cd was mindblowing, sri is so good at singing bhajans. And as far as the tape goes: if I'm not mistaking they are still selling it at the shelter board but I don't know when the last merchandise update has been so you probably better send a letter first before you send money. You can find that on: ineedyourshelter.com Hey, do you have the solo cd of kate from 108. It's also really mellow...it's called project kate. If you don't have it I could burn it for you. Anyways, if they wouldn't have the tape anymore at shelter let me know, I'm gonna ask around a bit then to see if I could get my hands on it. Everything can be found when you look hard and hey, often the hidden treasures are most accesible since they are longing to be seen... Or something like that.

Well, if i'm not mistaking your signature is from one of the lyrics. I love 'em also...and the pink vinyl rules !

ancient paztriot...and the others...THANX for these stories. It's awesome...

...as far as medicines go: correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that these are being provided for free. In fact the pharmacuetical business (or the drug business to be more precise) is a VERY big business and it's not at all about helping people, it's about making profit. So not everyone in the western world has acces to medicines just because they happen to live in a rich country.

Sorry my mistake. And i think you're right (to a certain extent) in your last post. That's exactly why I don't have a problem with not having all of these things, because i'm still leading a very luxurious life. However, I can"t agree when you say that not being able to pay the rent doesn't make you poor. Like I said, there's also something like the fourth world. Take the manu homeless people for instance...they can't pay any rent even though they live in a city with electricity and water...to say that they would live a luxurious life really is like throwing stones right into their face. There's poverty in the west, I don't think that this can be denied. But yeah, overal I pretty much agree with what you said.

This thread almost has a depressing ring to it. And I think there's another problem also: back in the days the movement seemed to accept people way more easily than is the case nowadays which is often a cop out for a lot of new devotees. I hate to say that but I have seen tons of kids getting into KC with a lot of enthousiasm only to be treated like . by other devotees, and ofcourse this makes them leave the movement and in a lot of cases even spirituality. I personaly can testify for that. A lot of temples really aren't that inviting... And ofcourse there's also the whole politics issue which hasn't done much good imho. Anyways, I sure do love to hear about 'the old days'.

Why not start by sacrificing your own possessions instead of the possessions of others (God). I bet if you went without cable T.V., renting movies, eating potato chips, buying Hindi cassettes, using the internet and the rest of the luxeries you live with you could help a lot of poor people. Instead of talking uselessly, why not show us by your example. Every day post a list of what you sacrificed for the poor today, and how the poor benefited by it. I will be waiting each day to read this thread and be inspired by your example, that is if you actually do anything and aren't all talk. Oh, you know me so well, do you ? For your information, I don't have a computer...I don't have a cellphone, I don't have a car (I had one for a year and then gave it away) Second of all: we do give tons of clothes and other stuff to homeless people here in our town... And for the rest: I'm poor myself. it's not because I'm living in the rich western world that this makes me rich...ever heard of the fourth world ? So what are those other luxuries that I live with ? And for the rest: we are opening our house in April so that people could come and drink tea and vegan shakes and other health drinks for very cheap prices...in fact, we just need enough money to pay some rent and buy some food. And we're also gonna do grocery shopping for people that can't leave their house, to no expense ofcourse and once in a week we'll be handing out free prasada to the people of our town that can't afford buying food. And yes, i'm very sorry that I can't do more than that but these are all the means I have right now...if we can do more we surely will do so. ANd just for the record: I think that the mentality in your post sucks.

"What do you mean "But hey, there's no profit in doint that." Just what I said. There's enough people out there that could make a difference but they don't, simply because there's no profit in it for them.

may i keep my jeans please? I guess it depends in what sweatshop it was made. Personaly I wouldn't want to wear anything that has fancy labels on it cause you know for sure that people had to suffer to get that stuff on your body. The same goes for cellphones...if we really want to be consciouss people we should really try to avoid using/buying them... And besides, why buy new stuff...there's so much waste in this world...I haven't bought new clothes in years and still I get to wear what I feel comfortable in. There's enough second hand stores and dumpster stores to provide us with all that we need. We shouldn't support this system!

I used to think about that one also but like the previous person said, I don't think that saving money on that would make such a big difference. What could make a difference is the mentality of our world leaders, the big economic players, heck even certain moviestars could go a long way in saving the earth an the people on it. But hey, there's no profit in doint that.