Winand

Dharma (that which leads to more harmony in general) Dharma is the path to salvation. Even if you think it is a lower aim ...if you are adharmic you will go further from the God which is the head of Dharma. They arent called "Purusharthas" for nothing, jndas-maharaj. I'm not an expert on sanskrit but i am not sure about your translation. Anyhow..mundane, lower aims, are u a jivan mukta? ..I dont think so.. so you are affected by the gunas so the lower aims "are" the aims.. I think "true bhaktas" is a term which can only be verivied by God himself, we can not say what is a true bhakta, or can we?

Thx livingentity, i'm gald we are on one line on this subject! Jaya Shri Devi Winand.

Thx livingentity, i'm gald we are on one line on this subject! Jaya Shri Devi Winand.

We receive mantras from gurus, not from books. It is irrelevant which book a mantra came in. One must chant the mantra that has been given to one by the guru, only then will one receive full benefit. We must also know the purpose for chanting this mantra, and that is fully explained in the Bhagavad Gita by Lord Krishna. Thus it is more relevant for the present times to study the Bhagavad Gita. (i have not yet found out how to make quotations on this forum) You are correct about your comments jndas-maharaj, but isnt Shri Krishna the Jagadguru, then why didnt he mention this mantra in the gita? If this is a foolish question please accept my appologies. The maha mantra isnt mentioned in the gita. If Shri Krishna is the jagadguru and purna avatara, then why is the name of Shri Rama neccesary? Jaya Shri Devi Winand

Terminology like "these lower aims" sounds very adharmic to me, on another (dutch) site there is also an Gaudiya Vaishnava he talks very similar to you.. we have deducted there that the Love of the isht deva should be great ...that is a good thing but terminology like "these lower aims" is very wrong. But we are not jivan muktas so we could be wrong.

(That is another discussion all together..Look at the caste system ..it is hereditary now.. but in prev times it wasnt. In the Nord the Vaishnavs have a lot of power.. and the muslim invasion and the brittish continuous foul play: made the levels of confusion rise. But in the south things stayed relatively pure.... thats why i love the south.) True.. in the future Shri Krishna Bhagvan will come again and again and again.. Why then comes the Hare Krishna first? .. is there no reason.. everthing form our shastras makes sense. But we dont need to break our head about this.. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Now, what about the interpetation of Shri Rama as feminine compared to Shri Krishna ..is this complete bogus?? Or is this done out of love for the isht deva. Ps. Thank U ..Jndas for reading my posts!

"Is going to Mac Donalds to drink some coffy: supporting that shop, and therfore promoting a worldwide campaign of cow slaughter???" ~> When the Mac D commercial is on tv it can be showed that their revenues increase within minutes as a result of the tv commercial. So drinking coffy there is also supporting financially and thus supporting cow slaughter, ...now if you are vegan and if you want to life sattvik life style.. then one isnt supposed to enter stores like Mac D if it isnt absolutely neccesary??? And another point.. driving a car is also not completely in line with being good to animals... if one drives hard ... then after the drive one should go and look at the nose of the car ..and then one can see all the dead bodies of the musquitos and flies etc. Ofcourse the line should be drawn individually in the extree case one could (try to) boycot governments for allowing the killing of cows.. but i think people should be aware as for what a shop like Mac D stands for, and that driving a car also means killing flies. Go Mata Ki jay Ho! Winand.

"Is going to Mac Donalds to drink some coffy: supporting that shop, and therfore promoting a worldwide campaign of cow slaughter???" ~> When the Mac D commercial is on tv it can be showed that their revenues increase within minutes as a result of the tv commercial. So drinking coffy there is also supporting financially and thus supporting cow slaughter, ...now if you are vegan and if you want to life sattvik life style.. then one isnt supposed to enter stores like Mac D if it isnt absolutely neccesary??? And another point.. driving a car is also not completely in line with being good to animals... if one drives hard ... then after the drive one should go and look at the nose of the car ..and then one can see all the dead bodies of the musquitos and flies etc. Ofcourse the line should be drawn individually in the extree case one could (try to) boycot governments for allowing the killing of cows.. but i think people should be aware as for what a shop like Mac D stands for, and that driving a car also means killing flies. Go Mata Ki jay Ho! Winand.

Plzzzzz dont go offfftopic...on my first topic at this forum /images/graemlins/frown.gif

I have asked her ..otherwise i wouldnt know of it .. dummy /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Yes,... But in the Upnishads it says Rama first because Ramas avatara was first.. so that is more logical.. for example: 1pm and 2 pm are both times of day.. /images/graemlins/wink.gif What do you think on the number 2 discussion? the number 2 is associated with shiva and shakti vishnu and laxmie Radha and krishna I heard a senior devotee from isckon say that compared to Krishna Shri Rama should be seen as feminine, how do you think about this.. also in relation to the maha mantra and with the purpose of getting the max out of the hidden beejaksharas.. Does anyone has quotes on this? Jaya Shri devi !! Winand.

Static? dear mister.. if you look at 1 + 1 = 2 one can see that the 1's are identical.. it is not a static or dynamic thing or something it is just evident from the mantra.. there are however some writings on the syllables.. but there are two names given equal importance. Actually in the original source the mantra = Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare So the isckonners have flipped it around, but the Shri Rama purna avatara was before the Shri Krishna avatara so as for why the flipping around????????? I think the isconners have very good love for their isht deva.. this is a very good thing ..but when people are saying that nothing excists but my isht deva ..then the wrong path is being persued... according to me.. I am not a jivan muktha .. i only give my oppinion.. please be not offended by my writings.. Hare Krishna! Winand.

Hare still means to glorify, only S.P.-ji gives a more illustrated definition /images/graemlins/wink.gif "Actually Sri Raamji and Shri Krishna Bhagvan are excactly the same thay are both PURNA AVATARA." I would be suprised if you could find a S.P.-ji qoute which would decline the above statement. By simply chanting the name "Raam" one can find liberation.....

The Maha Mantra comes from the 'Kali Santarana Upanishad' that is not the same as one of the 4 Vedas. There it says that it is "Shri Rama" who is glorified an sung to..!!! Hare means glorify ~!~ One should NOT make different meanings and it is my interpretation that one should know what one is singing! ... Then if the Maha Mantra comes from the Upnishads, then why are the isckonners not scolars in Upnishads???? Actually the maha mantra isnt mentioned in the Gita.. So studying upnishads would be more logical. Please also comment on the number 2 aspect. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna (2) Krishna Krishna Hare Hare(2) Hare Rama Hare Rama (2) Rama Rama Hare Hare (2) Radha Krishna (2) Shiva Shakti (2) Hamsa Soham (2) Shiva Parvati (2) Vishnu Laxmie (2) Etc