suryaz

I am confused - - I do not get it.

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Originally posted by Shashi:

Shashi Stone the crows! GEE its beena LONG time since someone asked me that! I live near Waverley Cemetry in Sydney.

Humm well OK - - as you wish - at least you are not in the cemetery with the rest of the bhuutagaNaan.h

Although, you do possess land close to that site - it may be the bhuutagaNaan.h want to extend their living parameters - thus they possess other grounds i.e. people (just like Colonists’ have done - Now we are getting into conspiracy theory). Or it may be they may just want to have a bit of fun

Better watch out

Does not Prabhupada say ghosts are mischievous?

Oh guess what I heard recently that people who live within 2 klm of that cemetery are not permitted to be buried there.

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This quotation is from another forum

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"The 81st verse of Narada-bhakti-sutra also mentions Sandilya among the authorities of bhakti, besides quoting him in the beginning."

"The 81st verse:

Tri-satyasya bhaktir eva gariyasii bhaktir eva gariiyasii"

"For the one who is truthful in three ways, devotion is dearest, devotion is dearest to him"

"[Truthful in thee ways – with body, mind and words. His activities, thoughts and speech are coherent with each other.]"

"Is this not the foundation for any functional social relation – what to speak of spiritual love (bhakti)?" End of Quote

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Originally posted by bhaktashab:

Can someone please describe what it means to attain liberation in Vaikuntha? What does Vishnu award to the jiva?

 

 

Can someone please describe what it means to attain liberation in Vaikuntha? What does Vishnu award to the jiva?

Can one really say one knows “what it means to attain Vaikunta”?

However Rupa Goswami explains the means for the award of Vaikunta-vas in his “Bhakti-rasamrita-sindu” Eastern division: Second Wave (The Methods of Realisation). In 303 of this section Rupa discussing the attainment of womanhood status of the sages of Da.ndaka forest in Ram lila said:

“He who has great amorous desire (for Krsna), but acts only by means of the path of injunctions (Vaidhi-bhakti), become a queen in the city (i.e. Dwarka)”

My view of this is that those who having found their primary bhakti-rupa or form (i.e. male actor or female actor in one of the 5 primary rasa) will attain the appropriate bhakti-swarup in Vaikunta if “desire (for Krsna)” is enacted “only by means of the path of injunctions (Vaidhi-maarga)”.

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Originally posted by Shashi:

Mr Suryaz, I don't understand how you can agree with me as I was only asking a question and not making a conclusion. Or was this part of your joke?

No offense meant.

Dear Shashi,

You wrote: Mr Suryaz, I don't understand how you can agree with me as I was only asking a question and not making a conclusion. Or was this part of your joke?

Humm Yes I was just having a little fun. I am sorry if I have caused some confusion.

BTW: I am not male. I am a female in all respects:

I am female in my spirituality,

My gender is female

My psycho-physical and emotional natures are all female

My mundane approach to life is typically female

Shashi I am in Victoria Australia where are you?

sr

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Originally posted by Shashi:

Just like some people become taken over by demons for a short time, do you think it can happen that the higher spiritual entity may take posessesion of some persons sometimes?

Humm yes I agree with you Shashi it can happen. It happens all the time in cyber space. Tee Hee!!

Originally posted by Avinash:

Some words related to marriage:

monogamy, monogyny, monandry, polygamy, polygyny, polyandry, bigamy, digamy, deuterogamy, trigamy, exogamy, endogamy.

 

Polygamy, = where male and female can have multiple marriage partners at the one time eg Kunti her co-wives and her Husbands, Drupadi her co-wives and the Padavas. The Nyre of south India and some Indian hill tribes

Polygyny, = a male has multiple female marriage partners eg Islam, Mohammad, Bin Laden et al. Judaism, Mormon

Polyandry, = a female has multiple male marriage partners eg this is rare but generally occurs in societies where there is a shortage of women (usually due to female infanticide) or land shortage or where men often enter battle–It may also occur in polygamist societies but more so in societies that have a matrilineal descent system eg Nyre of South India, Tory Islands Ireland, Trobrian Islands PNG.

Exogamy, = marriage outside the clan, family or group

Endogamy. = Marriage within the clan, family or group

Monogamy, = both males and females can have a single marriage partner eg Roman Catholic (no divorce)

Serial monogamy = both the male and the female can have a succession of single marriage partnership at a given time eg Christian traditions and monogamist societies that permit divorce

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Siva is in the Gauiya Vashnava view the “greatest devotee of Godhead”.

What is the name of Siva as the “greatest devotee of Godhead”

and from where has this view originated?

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

I just got back from the movie and quite liked it. It is based on the book by Alexander Dumas. I've never actually read any of his work but have seen The Man In The Iron Mask starring Leo Dicaprio. I know, I know thats worse than reading the cliff notes Still having seen both, it is quite apparent the source material is from the same author.

 

The movie has betrayal, torture, murder, revenge, sunken treasure, pirates, and even God. Yes, the movie has a very direct (some might think less than subtle) inclusion of God. The only problem with the film is that it looked a little cheap. Likely this is due to the fact that it didn't have big stars, and a large budget that naturally follows.

 

It had a few hokey parts, but overall I enoyed it. Also, there is one character that is supposed to be a pirate, but he looked like a modern Hispanic gangsta. But they used his all too modern look as comedic relief, and he was very funny.

 

Gauracandra

Humm these movies!! The "Man in the Iron Mask", "The 6th Day" (got to see that one last week) both are wonderful sources to help reflect on the abuse that arises when society unnecessarily lumps a whole lot of narrow minded constraints upon its members.

Equality in opportunity and access to power for all individuals in my view is the primary factor for an honest society. If society seeks to instigate laws that advantage some of its members this by definition dis-empowers others. A society that dis-empowers some to grant benefits to others is at best an abusive one (even if or when it appears to promote valour and loyalty). How can an abusive society offer justice to its members, what to speak of spiritual good?

Can we say an abusive society can offer the ultimate good?

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Originally posted by Gauracandra:

It took me a few seconds to get it... but very funny

I do not get it!!!

Originally posted by Bhaktavasya:

"Time I am, destroyer of all the worlds, and I have come to engage all men (women)."

 

Lord Krishna refers to lust as the all-devouring, sinful enemy of the world.

 

OOOPS!!!!

I knew I was confused.

But this still does not take away from “time” being a “relative concept”.

Krishna still said “time I am”.

My posted messages still fly back into what is the past (for me) but at the same incident they are experienced in the experiential domain of future and of the present for others. Thus creating ambiguity about how we perceive Krishna as “time”. The issue seems now more complex as it brings up questions about Sri Krishna and relativity and our previous arguments about the spirituality and relativity.

Is Krishna found within relativity, even more is Sri Kriahna found within our concepts of relativity (or in other words time)?

In the Bhagavat Gita Krishna says:

“Time I am the all devouring sinful enemy”

If time is relative – then can we ask –

Is a relative concept that which is the “all devouring sinful enemy’?

We could also ask where does such relative concepts come from?

Yes I agree ultimately everything come from Sri Krishna.

But who is instrumental in the acts of relativity? Generally it is a view promoted in natural sciences and scientific philosophies.

But then Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura wrote an essay disregarding relativity.

Now I am even more confused.

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Originally posted by suryaz:

quote:

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

My understanding is that whatever state of mind we have at the time of death, that determines our next body that we reincarnate into and where we go. I have always thought of it, perhaps like a "freeze frame". Right before we die - FREEZE!!!! - a flash of light goes off - and a snap shot is taken, and off our soul goes.

Originally posted by shab

My understanding is that at the time of death one's life flashes before one's eyes. In other words our state of mind at the time of death (which is what determines our next birth) is itself determined by the way we have lived throughout our life.

Humm “time of death”?????

I am troubled by the phrase. “Time” is a relative concept. It confuses me. Should we not say “at the incident of death”?

 

My reasoning here centres on the view that one can, especially in “cyber space” at a particular point in “time” project a view into the future that ends up in another place in the past. For instance, it is now 11.18 AM Friday Jan 25 2002. As soon as I post this message it will end up in another place that is for me, experiencing an expression of time that for me, has 'past form' (ie it is projected into a time that is well into my past and experienced by others differently).

 

Certainly cyber space has brought with it, new conceptual vents and directs us to be more careful in our use of language. (Just something)

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quote:

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

My understanding is that whatever state of mind we have at the time of death, that determines our next body that we reincarnate into and where we go. I have always thought of it, perhaps like a "freeze frame". Right before we die - FREEZE!!!! - a flash of light goes off - and a snap shot is taken, and off our soul goes.

Originally posted by shab

My understanding is that at the time of death one's life flashes before one's eyes. In other words our state of mind at the time of death (which is what determines our next birth) is itself determined by the way we have lived throughout our life.

Humm “time of death”?????

I am troubled by the phrase. “Time” is a relative concept. It confuses me. Should we not say “at the incident of death”? My reasoning here centres on the view that one can, especially in “cyber space” at a particular point in “time” project a view into the future that ends up in another place and is also in the past. For instance, it is now 10.37 AM Friday Jan 25 2002. As soon as I post this message it will end up in another place that is form me, experiencing a time expression that has past form me many hours previously.

Certainly cyber space has brought with it, new conceptual vents and directs us to be more careful in our use of language. (Just something)

...It was very nicely laid out. I particularly liked all the deities with votive candles in front of each. Does anyone know the history behind these candles and the Catholic church? It seemed a very nice way to allow the lay people to engage in direct worship of the deity. There were deities of Mother Mary, various saints, and a manger scene for Christ.

 

 

Gauracandra

I do not know the history. I do know however, that in Catholicism when a person dies and has some venial (small) sin and/or the effects of sin on his/her soul he/she is sent to purgatory.

Purgatory is a place or state where (departed) souls are purified before they can enter Heaven

However when on Earth if a person prays or offers a candle to Jesus, Mary or any of the saints that person gains some purification and thus spend less time after death in purgatory - because of venial sins and/or the effects (or residues) of sins committed in this life - (In Catholisism the residues of sins are believed to remain even after the sins are forgiven and reconciliation has been made).

But the candle bit goes deeper than that. In Catholicism, the saints (especially, or more specifically Mary) is/are one’s “advocate” to Jesus and to God. By praying to, and offering a candle, one is developing (and/or reinforcing) a relation of love and faith in such an advocate.

But that is not all. The choice of saint to whom one will offer a candle is more complex. Although one may offer a candle to any saint (and many do), usually a person offers a candle to a favourite saint. That saint’s religious example, relationship with the Catholic Church or with God or Jesus or Mary usually holds special significance and is especially meaningful to the person lighting the candle. The favourite saint functions as a role model for the religious actor. For instance at the time of “Confirmation” a person is encourage to seek out a saint who holds special meaningfulness to him/her. With this in mind the person will take the name of that saint as his/her “Confirmation name” as a sign of that special relationship.

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Originally posted by talasiga:

( Oh dear - she is trying to beat

me with my own stick.............)

 

Nevertheless all the elements

in the mistake are real

and its result too......

and

you "have no idea how [it] happened"

and when you do work it out

you may no longer be confused

but the mistake won't disappear

and even if you fix it

while it existed the mistake

will have existed

as a real thing.........

 

 

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Talasiga,

I will see you at Rathyatra in a day or two (Byron Bay - Dec 30-31 2001, Jan 1 2002).

We can talk there.

From the WVA site:

"The philosophical and theological conclusions of the Gaudiya Vaishnava -tradition have been summarized in the ten maxims known as the Dasamula-siksa by a great preceptor of ours, Srila Thakura Bhaktivinoda. They are as follows:

1. Vedic literature gives perfect knowledge of the Absolute Truth.

2. The Almighty Krishna is the topmost being.

3. Krishna's powers are always unlimited.

4. Krishna is an ocean of transcendental loving mellows.

5. The soul is an individual tiny particle of Krishna.

6. Some spirit souls live in a conditioned state under the influence of Krishna's illusory energy.

7. Some spirit souls are free from the influence of Krishna's illusory energy, and the conditioned souls can also be freed from its influence due to their inherent spiritual nature.

8. All the spiritual and material manifestations are simultaneously one with Krishna and different from Him.

9. Pure devotional service of Krishna is the only method for attaining the ultimate goal of life.

10. Pure love of Krishna is the ultimate goal of life."

___________

"8. All the spiritual and material manifestations are simultaneously one with Krishna and different from Him."

Humm this is interesting -

Since I (as a conditioned being) am a material and spiritual manifestation (and given the above Bhaktivinoda verse) am I not "simultaneously one with Krishna and different from him".

If so, what have I been searching for all my life

Why have I been trying to free myself from the material energy, which according to BTVNT is simultaneously one with Krishna and different from him"?

10. Pure love of Krishna is the ultimate goal of life."

BUT

Is not

"8. All the spiritual and material manifestations are simultaneously one with Krishna and different from Him."

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Merry Christmas!

Thanks to everyone

- Hari bol

http://rosicrucian.homestead.com/holy_night.html

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"Simplicity"

I know that when I tried to live what is usually called a life style of simplicity, that lifestyle seemed more complex than the one my primary socialisation prepared me for.

Could not the complexity of the situation be more related to the fact that people can easily change their secondary socialisation, but it is impossible (almost) to change primary socialisation?

Moreover, there is evidence to support the view that to adopt (or forced to adopt; as in colonisation), a lifestyle that is fully incongruent with or conflicts with one's primary socialisation, this can lead to, depression, mental illness and at the extreme, schizophrenia.

With the above in view, could it not be argued that very often, the pursuit for simplicity becomes an even more complex lifestyle than the one to which one is primarily socialised?

I guess one can only simplify one’s lifestyle to a certain degree before, complexity, depression, mental illness etc begin.

So, "simplicity, simplicity, simplicity" ---

Can it be for me what it is for you?

Could it be that, to find "simplicity" we just have to “let it (things) be”?

Humm! "que sera sera"

Krsna's sweet will

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http://www.psymon.com/walden/quotes.html

Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity!

from the chapter

"Where I Lived and What I Lived For" in Walden (contributed by Ron Koster )

"Simplicity"

Is it for me what it is for you?

Or is it a more complex thing?

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http://www.psymon.com/walden/quotes.html

If you have built castles in the air,

your work need not be lost; that is where they should be.

Now put the foundations under them.

from the "Conclusion" to Walden

[contributed by Austin Meredith]

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

90s. "Touchy Feely '90"

Thank you Gauracandra,

Could it be:

To treat the psychological efferism (that which provides motivation and is enhanced with a kind of felicity) created around something, where bluff is the foundation, as a reality that has a realistic foundation?

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

90s. "Touchy Feely '90"

Thank you Gauracandra,

Could it be:

To treat the psychological efferism (that which provides motivation and is enhanced with a kind of felicity) created around something, where bluff is the foundation, as a reality that has a realistic foundation?

Does anyone know:

Where in the works of Bhaktivinoda Thakura can I find his views about:

1. proving the existence of the soul, or

2. lack of evidence to dis-prove the soul's existence either.

Merry Christmas!

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