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Shri Hindustani, I have read it long ago. My collection of puranas are all in Lucknow. I will get back to you as soon as I get back to Luknow and locate the source material. Even I am very much geared up to find this material now after reading all this puranic stuff stuff in this forum. I will post the exact sanscrit verses. Please wait till december , when I am planing to go home on my vacation. Veda Trivedi

Respected Bija ji, I am sorry iif I have hurt you inadvertently. I have no prejudice towards forigners. I know of forgniers who are much more seroiously and genuinly spiritual than my Indial folks. And by your postings I know you are one of them. I once again seek your pardon if I invoked hurt in such a fine krishna devotee and fine person like you. My postings should be seen in a context. While I have no prejudice of forigners I should admit I am very weary of forigners as well as Indians who has no idea of Hindu spirituality and try to impose their narrow minded foolish and dangerous religious doctrines up on others. that too using Vedas and Hinduism. I personally view it as dangerous consequences. Besides they dont know the depth of fine Hindu spiritual values, they are trying to instrigate us and divide our unity which we have achieved long back in religious amity. Present Hindus no more fight against ourselves on religious issues, (once up on a time they were). And we dont want to regress to that primitive religious blood shetting stage. ( And I or any true hindu will not approve of the Orrisa insidences either. For true Hindu Krist is God and Christianity is a valied religion. And this is the point that i am making any way) And I see most of the ISKON guys are trying to drag us to that primitive age by instrigating a Saiva - Vaishnava conflight, which we have solved long back. I simply do not tollerate this guys. No Hindu should, as this is not the Vedic and hense Hindu conception of religion. Vedic Religion is megnanimous. Unity is the central truth . Veda is Anti-parochial and conceives the whole world as one family. "All concepts of Mine and thyne is but parochila thinking For truely wise the whole world is one single family. (Vasudeva kudumbakam)" Declartes an Upanisad. I believe in this strongly and hense no prejudice against 'Mlechas'. But I will contem any attempt from anybody who try to divide this unity and distroy the grand spiritual vision of Vedic path. Sanadhana darma is like a tree providing shade to all, including to the evil minded wood cutter who taking rest undershade to cut it down. But we cannot allow that . If we do that then by our refusal to fight against adharma support adarma . I hope you see the context of posting and my appologies again if I have hurt your feeling. I appreciate yopur deep Krishna bhakti. With deep respect, Veda trivedi

I am in the habit of collecting puranas, I have different versions of the same pruanas. Many of the puranas have two versions. I have two versions of Padma purana. In one version (supposed to be authentic original older version) I have the following story. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> It is predicted Kali will come and Spirituality will diminish from the world. Lord Vishnu will come at the end as Kalki to distrioy Kali to establish Satya Yuga. <o:p> </o:p> But there was a problem in fulfilling this prophesy . Lord Siva has been spoiling the whole order. <o:p> </o:p> Lord Siva gives Bogha as well as Moksha easily to any creature just by worship of him, even accidentally. He graced a spider which build it’s web over a Siva linga in a forest treating it to have built a temple for Siva, He graced an elephant for accidentally poring water from its trunk on the linga, He granted ruler ship of entire world to a mouse which is in the habit of eating ghee ardently kindled the flame of the ghee lamp in a Siva shrine. (This rat born as Mahabali ruled the world just and fair even Indra was jelous of and sort Vishnu’s healp to put an end to his rulership .Vishnu took the Vamana avadar and took away the kingdom of Mahabali and sent him to underworld. ) Asduras human and even animals are elevated by Siva worship so easily, just by worshipping Sivalinga. This method of easily gaining spiritual merit spread widely in three worlds and many human and Asuras easily gained entry to heaven. <o:p> </o:p> Indra could not tolerate all this and complained to Vishnu. Vishnu being a protector of deva’s interest on the one hand as well from his own side realizing that the Kali could never strengthen at this rate as long as people in masses practiced Siva bhakti and as a result the prediction of Kali age would fail and his Kalki avadar will have no purpose. Realising all this he promised Indra that in Kali before his own Kalki avadar, he will send Narada to earth and spread false doctrine to dissuade people from the worship of Siva. Narada would establish an order and spread this false doctrine far beyond the borders of Bharada (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region></st1:place>) and many Milechas (foreigners) will become followers of this order and spread false doctrine, discourage people from worship Siva. They will preach a form of religion without worship of Ganesa first there by make worship ineffective (As no religious worship could bear fruit with out Ganesa worship first), and discourage people from Siva worship there by completely misguide being from the real and easy path of gaining both Bogha (Heavenly Enjoyment) and Moksha. (Liberation) <o:p> </o:p> I guess this prophesy, of the spread of Narata’s false religion, is being fulfilled in this age of Kali by this Milecha Hindus: Christina Conscious guys. They are working for strengthening of Kali age, I guess. Veda trivedi

Yoga shastra does not say that. (Neither I could find it in Patanjali Yoga Sutra, which is an authendic source on yoga nor I could hear it in the teachings of the Bihar School of Yoga, which is an authentic institution in yoga shastra, where I attended a course in yoga.) Only Vaishnava fanatics say that. Trivedi

That is another beautiful post by Ravindran ji. The finger- Palm anology is very beautiful and clearifying. It gives me clarity on the confusing unsettled Advaida -Dvaida debate. Thank u ravindran ji for your clarity and insight. Pramod Trivedi

Dear Justin, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> Spelling mistake has nothing to do with the understanding. Why are you being mean? It is not a spiritual quality to be mean and rude. Claiming to be religious and not practicing the good qualities prescribed in religion is no religion. Have I provoked any religious insecurity in you? If that is the case my apologies. <o:p> </o:p> I do understand better by rigorous logic of mathematics and science than faith and authority based claims. Note that I am only appreciating Religion – not rejecting it. In fact only now I am fully able to understand and appreciate religious conceptions. It is a good thing to happen rather than becoming an atheist and ridicule religion as illogical mumbo-jumbo. You seem to be contemptuous of my conversion rather than appreciative of it. What is your problem if I understand God through science? You mean god cannot reveal him through science? <o:p> </o:p> God can declare his existence through scriptural proposition, reveal himself through mathematical algorithm, and show himself through quantum field theory. It is another matter that some don’t see him in scientific formulas as some don’t in scriptures. Don’t block people’s spiritual development just because you don’t understand their path. <o:p> </o:p> If you are trying to be a bakta, learn to be a true bakta. Develop appreciation of god from whatever source he is showing Himself, develop humility, see god in everybody. Be pleasant and kind to every body. Drop meanness, bitterness, criticism and arrogance. Develop Love. That is being truly religious, not calling oneself religious. <o:p> </o:p> With kind regards and best wishes, <o:p> </o:p> Promod Trivedi.

Dear Bart Happel, Thanks for the link. I read it and it is mind boggling. In fact I see Vishnu and comprehend his leelas more clearly in the Mentalbrot fractal picture than the Vishnu picture posted in post 59. Mentalbrot set clarifies lots and lots of religious concepts. No! Science and mathematics are not devises to justify supersticious religious beliefs. They are very presise language of religious truths. I am now convinced that the future language of religion is Mathematics. Future religious texts are text books of Science. Mathematics and science offers clarification to religious concepts in such clear way that no religious text could do. Science is not a justificsation for religion It is clarification of religion. Thanks Bart Happel for such an enlightening work you are doing. When your work is complete please do share your model with me. Pramod Trivedi

That part hole logic is mind boglling stuff. It throws clear light on many of the religious ideas which are other wise confusing and paradoxical. For example the picture posted in post number 59 , along with the discription in it that Vishnu within his own world is a paradox . Similarly Vishnu declared to be part of krishna (See the words inscribed in the above picture) , yet Krishna is an avadar of Vishnu! It looked like a mumbo jumbo for me first . The one who posted it is only asking acceptance of it . But how to accept such an imposible state ? Now with this part-hole logic that paradox is solved. Now I know Part of Vishnu is whole of Vishnu and viceversa. Now I also know how is the paradoxical claims that "In Sivas's heart Visnu dwelves and in Vishnus heart Siva dwelves". And many many confusion like this found in puranas and Vedas are solverd now. Now I understand Vedas much better. Thanks Ravindran ji .Great post. Promod Trivedi