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it is the same tattva

Brahm-paramatma-bhagvan.

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The spiritual effulgence emanating frm lord Govinda-

Sri Narayana in the superexcellent vaikunthas-

Sri Shyamsundara.

All 3 are indifferent.But due to retention or display of sme powers,they appear different.

Brahm doesnt display aishwarya or leela madhurya.

Vaikunthas dont enshrine leela madhurya.They hav opulence.grandeur.

Goloka displays the ultimate form of madhurya rasa...eg...the rasa displayd by gopis of vraja...Shankara pleaded his wife to dress him up as a gopi and take him to rasa lila.Parvati relented and thus shiva is cald as gopesvara...he was so anxious to becme a gopi,..becoz thats the highest,unimaginable state of love of Godhead...

Lord Govinda had a good chuckle at the bearded 'gopi' bt obviously aceptd him in the lila.

theres 1 litle snag i came across...shiva shakti are jeevas..?

Thats seriously a tad bit stretching of the reality.

Shiva or shankar or i dnt knw wich 1 is definitely nt jiva tattva...There is the mahesa dham beyond the material jagat,mahat...Shiva is the embodiment of qualites which cme to bout 86% of divinity.lord Brahma is 74%.so also are jeevas,bt their qualities are suppresed...Sri Narayana ? Do u hav to ask -96%.

100% is who ? Govinda of course.

Note percentage implies presence of qualities.This doesnt mean that Sri narayana is less powerful.He just doesnt display those powers(e.g. Display of Leela ).Just as Brhamjyoti doesnt display any power at all.Only Satta is there.Brahmjyoti is udaaseen...it doesnt do anything..

in the previous post i meant to say,

''u shud NOT take him seriously.''

And supercrow,come on...grow up...by offending param bhagvata,lord shiva,ur only bringing ur own demise...its actualy vrv sad 4 vaishnavas.they smetimes unitentionaly ofend shiva and so do shaivites ofend vishnu.Bt bhagvan Himself states that He may 4giv ofense at His holy feet bt nt against His bhakta...v r doomed,oh vaishnav brethren..lol.

hey,the guy who just wrote the post b4 ashok...A-M-Azing ! ! !

I personaly cudnt hav put words in even close to what u hav done...unless,the gr8 god rudra replies along the lines of acepting Sri purusha sukta as it is,i dnt think u shud take him seriously.

Although i am nt an iskcon folower,i dnt knw why u shud say that no

1 cares bout iskcon.I hav all the reverence in the world 4 srila prabhupad....he's 1 of the nitya siddhas.

dear asoka,

The vedas are 'apaurusheya'.They HAVE NT BEEN WRITTEN BY ANY1.The vedic knwldge is eternal.It is nt mutilated,interpolated in any way.Simply becoz the vedas r so holy 4 the hindus that they CANNOT dare to change them.

Also,the vedas folow 'paroksh vaad'.

At 1 plce,the ved wil say 1 thing and then a cmpletely difrnt thing elsewhere.Vedvyas declared,''oh humans,do not read the vedas! Vidhi(lord brahma) couldnt understand them,so u wil only ruin ur intelligence by trying to read them.''

At another place vedvyas says that the ved is bhagvad swarup and only the vedas knw brahm.

So hw are these pple quoting profusely frm the vedas ?...is the real question v shud be asking.

Its ok till 1 point,bt then 1 smarta 'thinks' that 1 veda mantra was smething difrent originally and he declares that another sect has manipulated the veda .He is clearly applying his material intellect to the subject.YOU CANNOT SPECULATE IN MATTERS OF THE VEDAS ! The knwledge of the vedas emerged when the 1st purusha incarnation exaled.It is Brahm-shvas.The knwledge is divine.It has to be understood via a realisd mahatma.Kshotriya Brahm nisht mahapurush.

Eg...suta gosvami taught maharaj parikshit.

Narada taught veda vyas.

Vaishnavism is a minority.

Notwithstanding the fact that Sri Shankara has written a 100 word poem describing his transcendental spritual state on remembering sri krsna, and that Vivekananda had taken hookah and meat on his voyage,there are no other saints who classify under your "majority" side of the religion.

Tukaram

Kabeer

Meera

Tulsidas

Guru Nanak

surdas

naamdev

chokhamela

purandar

jeev

rupa

sanatan

gopal bhatta gosvamis

ramanuja[jagadguru]

madhva[jagadguru]

vallabhacharya

Vishnu swami

Nimbarkacharya[jagadguru]

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu[jagadguru]

Jnyaneshwar

ramdas

Sri Rambhadracharyaji[jagadguru]

Srila Prabhupada[who equals thousands of jagadgurus]

and of course Sant shiromani,Jagadguru Kripaluji maharaj[jagadguru]

Minority? Hardly.Millions go every single year to Pandharpur.

Millions visit Jagannath Ratha Yatra.

Millions visit Badrikashram[shankaracharya restored badridham if you recall.]

Countless pple follow these excellent,exalted saints.

How many will walk thousnds of kilometers to honour,say vivekananda's beliefs?

Sorry to awaken you to reality,but the answer is NONE.

Smartas and Mayavadis may have all the discussions in the world.Dry speculation.It just satisfies their egos."Oh yes,I am Bhramn."But they CANNOT GO BEYOND THAT.Because the first step in spiritual realisation is ANTAH KARAN SHUDDHI.Shankara himself proclaimed this to his mother,that the mind CANNOT BE CLEANSED WITHOUT SINGLE MINDED DEVOTION TO HARI.

No other saint has had a bigger impact than tulsidas.You may think different,but that's where the problem lies.It's what YOU think.

And do correct me if i am wrong,how many jagadgurus has the smarta tradition produced?

That's right.NONE.

My previous post has mysteriously (?!) disappeared (removed?!)...that proved Vishnu is contained within the Great God Rudra. To conveniently say that Hari is the indweller (!) as counter for every proof presented doesn't impress or convince anyone.

 

In the laghunyasam, prior to chanting Sri Rudram, one has to chant the following verse to state in which part of the body Vishnu is invoked..."padayoh vishnus-tishathu..." ....Enough said.

 

The Narayana Suktam, as the "Purusha Suktam" has been corrupted by vaishnavites to include "...sa shiva" (not part of the original vedic verse) to indicate that Shiva is included within Vishnu...which is obviously far from the truth. Sri Rudram emphatically states that Vishnu is contained within Lord Shiva.

 

Yajur Veda's identity flows from Sri Rudram and the SivaPanchakshara. Among the Vidyas, the Vedas are supreme; in the Vedas, the Sri Rudram is supreme; in the Sri Rudram the Sri Shivapanchakshari Mantram 'NA-MA-SI-VA-YA' is supreme; in the Mantra the two syllabled 'SI-VA' is supreme. As by pouring water at the root of a tree, all its branches are nourished, so also by pleasing Sri Rudra through Rudra Japa, all the Devas are pleased. This is the best atonement (Prayaschittam) for all sins and the foremost 'Sadhana' for attainment of cherished desires. Though Sri Rudram forms part of Karma Kanda, it ranks at par with the Upanishads of the Jnana Kanda and hence is also referred to as “Rudropanishad” and it’s reference is found in glowing terms in the Jabala Upanishad and Kaivalya Upanishad. As it is seen in all the 101 Shakhas or branches of the Yajurveda, it is called 'Satarudriyam'. Satarudriyam is an instrument of Moksha Sadhana in the lore of Upanishads. It is stated “Sarvopanisadam Saro Rudradhyaayam” i.e. “The essence of all Upanishads is Rudropanishat”. In Maha Bharata in Drona Anushasinika parva, the Sata Rudropanishat is very much extolled. When Sage Yagnavalkya was asked by his disciples as to which portion of the Veda conferred most benefits on a devotee on it’s recitation, he referred unhesitatingly to the Sri Rudram. He said “Surapa ssvarnahari Rudra Japi Yati sthatah/ Sahasra Sheersajapica Mucyate Sarva Kilbisaih”. In Jabalopanishat, sage Yajnavalkya stated to the Brahmacharis that by performing Satarudriya Japa and also with homam, one will become immortal. In Kaivalyopanishat it is stated that the person who studies Satarudriyam will be purified by Agni and in Smrutis it is stated that the person who regularly recites will obtain liberation. It is also said that “Prayatah praruthaya ya dadheete vishmpate / Pranjalih Satarudriyam Nashya kin cha na durlabham” . Translated, it means “By constant effort if a person stands facing Lord Surya with folded hands and chants Shata Rudriyam there will be nothing impossible for him.” In Kurmapurana, Lord Krishna under took Pasupata Diksha for one year and smearing ash on his entire body, recited the Sri Rudram. Any one, in any state of life, at any time, recites Satarudriyam daily, will cross the ocean of worldly life or at any time adorned with Bhasma (ash) and with great devotion recites Sri Rudram, will get Jnana (knowledge) by the grace of Lord Shiva. For those desirous of worldly pleasures and for obtaining liberation and purification during repentance there is no refuge other than Shatarudriyam. By reciting Sri Rudram, one will get easily the knowledge of Taraka Brahma Vidya. A verse in the Vayu Purana says:"Chamakam Namakam caiva Purusha Sooktham tathaiva ca / Nityam trayam prayunjano Brahmaloke mahiyate” . Translated, it means “A person reciting daily the Namakam, Chamakam and the Purusha Sooktam is honoured in the Brahma Loka." The Purusha Suktam referred to here is the unadulterated version that recognizes Lord Shiva as the supreme Brahman.

 

"Karanguli nakhothpanna narayana dasakrithi" states the Sri Lalita Sahasranamam, which means "She who created the ten avatharas of Narayana from the tip of her nails". Enough said ? Or would the refutation be that Vishnu Sahasranamam is the only "true" sahasranamam?

 

It took Lord Shiva to explain that taking the name of Lord Rama 3 times is enough for the common man as that is equivalent to chanting the Vishnu Sahasranamam. Is that again, Vishnu speaking through Lord Shiva?

 

Shiva-Shakti is the only truth. The non-recognition of the female principle within the Vaishnava sect is truly amazing.

 

Advaitam is inclusive and liberates the godlike potential within human beings. Vaishnavism is exclusive. Plainly ISKCON is an embarassment to this family as they believe that Vishnu is the avatar of Krishna! ISKCON's founder tried to pitch Hinduism to the world by trying to identify one God that can compete with the one God of Christianity and Islam. And has now caused the raise of this sect that embarasses and makes the Vaishnava family squirm by making it's ridiculous claims ! ISKCON is the idiot-child of the Vaishnava family.

 

Being a smartha, I worship Vishnu too as I do Devi, Ganesha, Surya, Muruga apart from the Great God Rudra. Only praying to Lord Shiva and chanting of the Sri Rudram can grant one moksha, which is the goal of every Hindu. Chanting of the Devi Mahatmyam is equally beneficial, if one has diksha in the Navakshari mantra. The Devi Mahatmyam states clearly that Vishnu's slumber or yoga-nidra is caused and controlled by Shakti !!

 

All the great saints who have saved Hinduism have been worshippers of Lord Shiva and Shakti - be it Adi Shankaracharya rescuing India from Buddhism or Vivekanananda making Indian spiritualism known to the world through his worship of Shiva-Shakti.

 

Fact of the matter is : Vaishnavism is a minority. Like all minorities, they tend to chest beat. May Lord Shiva grant them moksha through his divine grace. By trying to pooh-pooh Lord Shiva, Dark Warrior has taken his name so many times ! Vipirita Bhakti !

 

My respect is for Dark Warrior is only for his extent of reading and knowledge, which he has slanted to brain-wash himself as have his sect's members. I only hope that with time and age, he gets true understanding and knowledge. I am confident, that if he continues seeking true knowledge, he will find that it at the feet of the Great God Rudra.

 

Sri SadasShivaarpanamastu !

HOW DARE YOU DESECRATE THE VEDAS BY SAYING THAT IT HAS BEEN CORRUPTED AND INTERPOLATED.Has the tenets of Smarta tradition filled so much pride in your head that you are getting delusions of self grandeur??

DO NOT

 

 

 

The Vedas were scripted by Vyasadeva? Ok...

 

He wrote a natural commentary on them? Then why did he not tell this to Shankara and Madhva when they met him? Why have them write more comentaries and further confuse the already confused public?

 

 

 

 

Cheers

How should I know why he did not tell Madhva and Shankara bout them.If you know why then plz enlighten us.

HE DID NOT HAVE THEM WRITE COMMENTARIES.

There is a certain collaboration between Bhagvan,His associates and His incarnations.They collaborate,they plot,they execute the actions as we know them,with the agency of Yogmaya.When aadi shankara started the fictitious advait dharma,he did so by first discussing it with his consort as to why he was resorting to trickery.The discussion falls in the tantra sastras.

He says that it is Bhagvan's wish that he start a pro-buddhist religion.

But as you may be aware,he clearly tells his mother on her death bed to practise devotion to Sri krsna.

{And please,just use an honorary term before the usage of the Name,Vishnu,Krsna etc.It is Sri Visnu tattva we are talking about.anandam-Bhram-Yonih DUH}

 

 

 

Which must be wrong for by your own logic, it is a Purana for those in the mode of ignorance! By your own logic, Vishnu is not supreme.

 

 

 

 

Cheers

It's not my logic.It would be rsi Markandeya's logic.A mahatma is a mahatma.Vyasadeva was not some ordinary scholar who would hand duties to mundane intellectual pple.All the rsis were his disciples.

And from wich angle does "my logic" tell you that Lord Vishnu is not supreme?

In sattvic scriptures,it's written he's supreme.In rajasic scriptures it is written He is Paramatma and in Tamasic scriptures also it is written.It's not contradictory,it stresses the fact.

The Brahma Samhita is a Gauidya text and you really do not want to use it for discussions with non-Gaudiyas. Because it has no value outside that group.

 

 

 

 

How do you know it is a gaudiya text? Did lord Bhrama mention it to you in one of your previous births that he is writing it for Lord Caitanya???

"....Krsno ha vai Hari paramo devaha."..Ved.

"Ishvara paramah krsna....

Anaadir aadir Govinda sarva karana kaaranam."... Bhrama samhita.

"Jeevera swarupa hoi krishnera nitya dasa."...Sri Caitanya mahaprabhu.

So,Krsna is the last word in absolute truth.

"Kimbru matwam yashode....

Tat purna bhramn bhumau biluthati krod: marao dhukamam."

-Narada says to mother yashoda.

translation-"Yashode! look how Parabhramn is crying to go in your arms."

So yes,Lord Krsna is the Supreme personality of Godhead.He is Bhramn{Ananda-Bhramn-Yonih}

He is Ananda itself.And jeeva vishisht bhramn[i.e. us,jeevas] are the ansh[eternal atomic particles of ananda/bhramn ].Just like a candle flame points upwrds towards it's origin,the sun,So also,the jeeva is searching for Ananda/Bhramn.And that is Sri saccidananda kanda,Sri Krsna.Even Shambhu,vidhi,Hari are restless for His Darshan and as soon as they get it,they fall on the ground,struck with infinite,indescribable,spiritual happiness,for He is Govinda,The entity who gives happiness/ananda to all the senses[go] in the spiritual as well as material universes.

Today,they are showing this yogi and that yogi,bhasma yogi,fire yogi, on the main page.Go and ask that yogi,Is he happy eternally.

He will answer no.

Why?

Becoz he hasnt attained ramanand,shyamanand.Sanat kumara says a beautiful verse in this regard.Who is he? The ultimate authority on Bhramanand.Forgive my inability to recall the verse.My memory is pathetic.

once Sri narada visits Sri krsna's house and witnesses 1 astounding vision.Sri krsna is pulling Mother yashoda's sari and crying and flailing his legs,begging His mother to take Him in her arms.

Narada thinks to himself,I knw that the principle is that the jeeva cries to go in the arms of Bhramn,but what is this ! Bhramn is crying to go in jeeva's arms.Narad is confused.Then,obviously,being a bhagvata,he could fathom that this is the work of yogmaya.She makes Bhramn forgets His Godhood and the mahapurush,his original position.Then he said to yashoda.

''kimbru matwam yashode kati katih sukritah kshetra vrinda ni purvam,

Gatwa ki dhit vidhamayi katih katih sukritah nyarjitanitva aiva,

No shatro na swayambhur ....

...

Tat purnam bRAHM bhumau biluthati bilapat krod: marau dhukamam.''

Arey yashoda ! purna Bhramn is crying to go in your arms and you say,'' no no ! i hav work...i dnt hav time for you !''

This is the same bhramn who doesnt grace brahma,indra and shambhu with His vision !'' he further says to her,'' Oh ho ho,bada bhaari kaam hai..!''

i had enough of this bullshit

shiva and vishnu and bramha are one in the vedas the paramatma is the supreme which is bramha,vishnu,and shiva as well as the shakti's in one.

the vedas say that if a person see's them as seperate and agrue which one is greater they are fools and would never see his face.

why a u agruing about who is better but i guess its the kal yug.

 

people dont make our beautifull culture lik that of christians were roman catholics are fighting the anglicans and they are fighting the rest.

 

come on man we have more important things to do.

Ummm,,i'm not sure that this is the real deal....Bhrama samhita,a treatis written by lord bhrama says,"Isvara parama krsna,sacidanand vigraha,anadir aadir govinda,Sarva karana karanam."

The skanda purana,being a scripture for those in the mode of ignorance,obviously gives elaborate description of the magnificent 10 forms of shakti BUT in the end,markandeya Rsi VERY CLEARLY STATES THAT ALL DEMIGODS ARE ENERGIES OF LORD VISHNU AND THAT HE IS THE SOLE PROPREITOR AND MASTER OF ALL THAT BE.

Besides,the vedas were scripted by Srila Vyasadeva.That is common knowledge/.The vedanta is the essence of the entire veda.That too is common knwledge.BUT,Vyasadeva Himself wrote the natural commentary on the vedanta.Now,if any person who thinks that he is at a better position that Dwaipayana Vyasadeva,then he is the biggest fool.So,if we accept the vedanta,accepting it's natural commentary is imperative.What's that commentary? Srimad Bhagvatam.That,sir,answers all the ignorant questions which are generaaly posed by smarta,shaivites,shaktas,mayavadis and God knws what.

I didnt hav tim to go thru all the posts.....but one of them struck me...Someone said that Srila Prabhupada does not know for sure that Jesus was an incarnation of Krsna...that he did not have jnana.

That is,I'm afraid...wrong.

A devotee who has attained superexcellent love of Godhead also attains all His attributes.God gives him all His powers,including jnana of course.

When you say that Prabhupad did not know for sure this and that,you imply that God has incomplete knowledge...The guru is antaryami.He too has knowledge of everything.