JustRish

Just realised that the six one is actually bending his knees...

Thank you, thank you, thank you

That is so clever. Thank you for sharing.

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This is my favourite poem. He based it on an Indian fable. Thank you for sharing.

I know that in Jainism, a soul that has achieved Nirvana or Moksha is called a Siddha. Not sure if this is the same definition elsewhere.

I can see you are sincerely trying to understand our philosophy and look at both types of things. This is very good. I wouldn't even call you an atheist because you are sincerely inquiring- one of the first stages of theism.

 

Please forgive me for any offenses,

indulekhadasi

You were actually one of the least of the offensive I have come across. I only get offended when someone comes out with remarks such as retarded or mental or deluded, and then when I try to explain they come back with the same response. Thank you for at least trying to understand. It's an attitude that actually makes one want to learn.

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Yes.

Next time you meet an atheist try to show the compassion god gave you. Who knows, may be they might feel the love of your Lord shining through you.

Then the Buddha was an idiot, right? Is that what you mean?

Buddha was the 9th incarnation of Vishnu sent down to earth for the atheists wasn't he? I think. I hear he was a trick to get people to believe in God without them knowing. If this is correct, I think it is very clever. Not sure about Mahavir (Jainism). But it's a little ignorant to call them a fool.

Only a fool will

breathe air and not believe in it

drink water and not believe in it

feel love and not believe in it

experience god and yet refuse to believe...

even intellignet atheists keep their mind open to the possibility of a god...

Most atheists I've know were agnostic atheists. It's a little stupid, and most think so too, to deny it completely.

Atheists and all people believe what their karma forces them to believe. Whether you believe in God or not is under the control of God. Your belief in reincarnation is an example of how your beliefs are not under your control. In order for reincarnation to take place there would need to be an intelligent overseer with the ability to make reincarnation happen. Yet you believe that there is no such intelligent overseer yet still believe in reincarnation. This shows how people will believe illogical things to be logical and logical things to be illogical. Even when proven to them that their beliefs are without rationality people will believe what their karma dictates, which is controlled by God. The evolutionists are another example of this principle. Evolutionary theory is based upon a huge number of mathematically impossible (so improbable as to be impossible) events taking place one and after another (origin of life for starters), yet even though it can be easily proven that life as we know it cannot exist by chance, still because it is their karma, they cannot see the obvious illogical position they hold to be true, as lacking a rational basis. God controls what you believe regardless of the evidence before your eyes.

This is new. My Karma is making it difficult for me to understand? Why so? Would God not want me to believe in him? Or perhaps he doesn't want to have anything to do with me until I learn my lessons in this life? Is it a result of bad karma in my previous life? Could be. Who knows ?

The reason why I believe in reincarnation is also because I have heard stories, and even heard it from a girl I know that she was reborn. But I never rejected the idea before this.

JustRich, no mister I'm just a theist. I do understand. I have no religious background and grew up an atheist. Then some of these things just started opening up for me and i have spent my entire life struggling to get things straight.

 

What helped me the most was realizing I didn't have to fit into anyone's premade religious mold. Im not a hindu christian muslim buddhist or anything else,I am just me and if God is real He can reveal Himself to me. And if He can help me then He can and will help anyone.

 

"Seek and we shall find."

Okay theist . My parents do believe in god, but most Jains whom I associate with do not. Most Jains are atheists in case you didn't know. Jainism does have concept of soul, reincarnation and god (enlightened beings) but this concept of god as the creator is missing. So many of my beliefs inititally came from here. So you can see where my struggle comes from.

First of all, Mr theist, I really appreciate you for helping me to try and understand. Its amazing how much opinions can change when you finally find someone who understands what you're going through without sticking an insult in it. I am definitely going to do some more research into this. I realize that there is more to life that I thought.. But as for ….

An atheist is simply murdering his/her own self by not establishing a relationship with the Supreme Lord. His/her life simply goes to waste and therefore it can be equlivalent to murder. A regular murderer murders the body while an an atheist murders the soul. What is the difference?

Atheists cannot establish a relationship with a Supreme Lord because they are not at your level of understanding. My ability to grasp what you can grasp is different. I've been called retarded with a learning disability because of it. I don't know how people can find happiness by ridiculing others. Can animals establish a relationship with the supreme lord? If you say no you're saying they've murdered their own soul too. Most religious texts say animals have no soul, which I don't believe. They feel pain too, both physical and psycological. I believe there is a soul in every living thing. Even plants have souls, except they do not feel pain or do they?

And Murders the soul in what way? Non-violence should be practiced in thought, word and deed. So insulting someone is violence on its own. You kill a persons soul bit by bit by hurting and insulting it. When you murder the body the soul suffers no more after that. That is the difference between a dead body and a living person.

When you tell someone you don’t understand something, do you expect to be insulted? After you’ve been insulted, would you want to understand? I know I wouldn’t because that person would have killed a part of my soul that trusted that person. I would feel that a part of my soul has been murdered. I don’t ridicule those who believe, and I also expect the same decency from people who do believe. And if there is a conscious god, I doubt he would want his followers to insult or hurt anyone for any reason because by hurting someone you are hurting him. Does he feel happy when people are hurt?

And this is only my opinion of course. You're opinion is just as relevant if you want it to be. And no, I am not a saint, just a regular human being trying to understand her place in this world.

 

In this way by seeing the interconnectedness of all living systems on earth and throughout the cosmos we can come to sense and appreciate the One Supreme Intelligence behind all material manifestation.

 

I believe this is an advanced level of pantheism. That is to accept an intelligent nature as God.

 

What do you think?

Another new ways of looking at it. I never thought about it as deeply as this but I do agree with a lot of what you said. Thank you. Boy am I glad I asked this question. . I think I am sounding really confused. I apologise for giving out mixed messages because I am actually confused lol.

But if there is a god, then he does not intervene with human life and the laws of the universe, much on the lines of what Deists believe.

So you believe in nature as God. I would like to ask you do you believe that nature has intelligence?

Tough question. You gave me new ways of looking at it thanks.

I believe that the universe (nature) gave birth to our planet. It was a natural force. But did this planet involve intelligent design? This is what I find hard to understand. I also find it hard to believe that the universe has feeling. And does god have a judgement day for those who do not believe? Erm that is also something hard to understand.

When I say nature I include animals, people and plants. I also include the universe and the planet. I believe people, animals and plants have intelligence. But this intelligence is misused mostly by people. They are set out to destroy this planet. The earth, however, is kind and so is the universe and can bear this weight, but for how long? But does the universe have intelligence? I find that difficult to grasp because I just see it as a natural force.

I know what many believers think. Atheists are evil. Atheists are fools. No believer should waste time with atheists. I see this on the internet a lot. But I have tried so hard. I have educated myself on scriptures (the Bhagyavad Gita mainly). But something is not working. I can’t get my brain around to think that the universe has been created by a supreme being. Call it “maya” or what not. I don’t understand, and its not as if I haven’t tried to understand.

The reason is not rebellion either. I come from a Jain family. I respect our gurus (especially Mahavir) and do pray to them. But not as a supreme being who created this universe. I am also interested in Buddhism.

This is my view of God and this is the conclusion I have arrived at: nature is god and god is nature. So yes, I am pantheist. And surprise! I believe in souls, I believe in reincarnation too. But I just cannot get my head around to believe there is a supreme being who created the earth. I believe nature was responsible for creating earth and thus I believe nature is god. Plants, grass, animals, etc are part of nature and thus I see them as god.

But why is there so much negative views about atheists as if we are evil fools? Has anyone even tried to understand an atheist?