was and is around just took time off to reflect as theyear is comming to a close and putting my thoughts in place for this comming new year analysing thyself and thinking about what to fix and what to repair and then too the wife have meh busy helping she with the home.
NOW onto this extract you found the person to me seems to be trying to find the root of shakti-ism( like me word) and is takink alot of folklore stories and trying to tie them into one which is bad news for a new member searching for knowledge they will become confused and no doubt never give Kali Maa a chance. let us examine: i think this is why you posted for like myself i have also become confused so you feed the demon inside me taunting me to answer ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh here goes i will try

“sangili karupan madurai veeran and muneeswaran are brothers and they have nine sisters muneswaan is also known as the moon gazer he will c sitting on the curv of the quarter moon he also has a job for all deamons he catches them between his legs and crushes them his other names are munespring baba he form when you will offer him rum and ciggarette"

i have never with the exception of vetala and bhairava from the Kalika Purana Chapter 50 book 2 about the devtas being brothers i know that Muneeswaran has a primary of nine forms. dont know of the sisters part ( think he trying to tie in the Nav Durga form but then this would mean the nine brothers are the nav graha form) moon gazer is trinidad and guyanese tongue for Candrasekhara because he is the moon but munishwaran is more to lord Shiva not Lord Chandra because most trinidad murtis depict munish prem holding the sun and quater moon this is history worst mistake (moonishprem) the rum and cigs i think you know about.

sangili karupan rides a black bird chariot when he takes the form as shani dev also in the ramayan they showed hanuman flying with the mountain but when hanuman passed the bramuta triangle shani dev shot him down thats when they had the battle and hanuman chained his foot by the river and when hanuman left shani dev burst the chain and hanged it on his hand thats when he became the black chain master and after he went into the water and lived there for many yearswhen the gods in the water and vishnu and maha lakshmi crowned hin the king of the ocean and he became sangili karupan and after when maha kali mariamman took the form as badra kali and fighted the demons in lanka when sangili karupan came out of the ocean and help her fight her batle after the fight sangili karupan became the gaurd master for the doors of some homes and his name became sanganie baba the door master

Sangilli karupan is not shani dev this is a graha devta whereas Sangilli is a grama devta they are trying to tie to black devtas together one causes obstacles and the other removes and protects then yamraj is supposed to be sangilli whereas yamraj is also a single devta responsible for taking the soul to be judged. these are three different aspects. the bermuda triangle is an american word so i dont see how sangili could have shot down hanuman, this is just a pre amble for a story. the war between bhairav and sangilli continues where being the robin hood in his era as he was wrongly convicted for murder Sangilli Karupan prayed to the mother as he was chained by hand and feet in a cell and asked her to shower him with her blessing as he was wrongly convicted and with that he broke free however the bangles and chains on his hand and feet did not come off and these were the items of destruction that he used to fight his way out against the guards this is why he has the chains and through tapasya hid in the ocean only when according to the ramayan that laxhman was going to shoot the sea so raam could cross to go to lanka did he emerge stopping him from doing so and as a result became the protector of Varun also.being a kshtraphal he became a guard of the doorways to ward off evil. dont know about him helping the devi or how Sri Vishnu and Maha Lakshmi crowned him probably folklore.

now i'll move on to kaal bhairo kaal bhairo is the one who is the potecter of mother kali and mother durga there was a war once against a amn named durgam and kaal bhairo and hanuman stood behind her all through ou the battle after that maa got her name as durga maa after as kal bhairo helped his sister he took the head of durgam and kept it in his hand because durgam got a boon from bramha no matter who killed hin he would kave life in his head so thats why kaal bhairo holds the head in his hand after there was a war in the valley madurai and kaal bhairo defeated them and got his name as madurai veeran the highiest form of kaal bhairo where durga maa and maha kali took the form as kamachi and meenakshi where they ride on the horse with the warrior madurai veeran also here were deamons who were died and haunting areas so thats when kaal bhairo took the form as yam raj the king of death and collected them and the ones who diden't want to go he came with a scary face and his hair messy his vaines poping out of his eyes and he sat on a bull and draged them by there neck and sat and watched them so now people worshin him as pitri dev

the hand that Khal Bhairav holds in his hand has nothing to do with Durga and her war think if they are her protectors why were they behind her and not infront she did not need protection she could have and easily she did handled Durgam the head that Bhairav holds is the head of Brahama. the story goes that brahma overcome with lust for his daughter Sandhya brahma grew a fifth head so that he could look upon her from all directions. Sandhya knowing the lust of her father ran and turned into various animals. Brahma overcome with lust took on the male form to whatever animal she turned into as a result of her flight she passed close to Lord Shiva who saw the folly grew enraged that brahma the father of world creation could become so lustful towards his own child turned into Khal Bhairav and took off the fifth head of Brahma returning him to his senses but for commiting brahminicide (Brahman-killer) the head fused itself to bhairav's hand so heated was the killing that bhairav fell upon the feet of the mother who was the only one that could have resolve such. and as a result of helping him Bhairav stayed with the mother as a protector to her and to protect dharma.
as to the war in Madurai dont know and whom did he defeat and Madurai Veeran is not no highest form of Khal Bhairav different names to us but others will dispute that both are two entirely different persons and have no link what so ever. Kamakshi and Meenakshi are both form of Durga Maa who is absolute from her came the rest. i think the last part he is trying to tie Lord Shiva in the form as Bhooteshwar the lord of bhoots who roams about dreadful cemeteries, attended by ghosts and spirits, like a mad man with dishevelled hair and dark complexion.

the person has few correct and goes way of he is looking for the root and is trying to formulate decades of history into one paragraph by simplying perceptions of closeness and thinking that because they are similar in colour they are one and same. well atleast these are my views and well i could be wrong.
trying to put the tree into place for you be a little patient with me dont want to give you wrong advice.

pujarie i learnt that the masters were brothers and Maa Kali their sister i heard them refer to them selves many times as their sister and brothers can you explain.
my pujarie taught us that shani was dee baba just in another form and also he is the person in charge of death yamraj. this very confusing.
he also said the head khal bhiro holds is a demon head. and moongazer is mooneshprem is he wrong or are you wrong.

Yes that is the devi I am referring too, I also know her as Kaanyadaan Maa, a devi of marriage.
I asked for her pic in the puja store and that is what they gave me. I am now know. Thanks for the enlightment. Doesnt matter I am pro gay so I am happy to have her image in my home.

JAI KALI MAA
JAI MAHA SHAKTI KHAAL BHAIRO BABA

Your knowledge of this area is impressive and has in many accounts confirmed suspicions that I have had for some time. I am grateful that there is someone who is willing to break ranks with “conventional” acceptance of Kali work and peruse the truth of the matter. On this note I need to ask some questions pertaining to Munispreng.
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I have been told that he is the Moon God and a Landmaster among other things. The more I look at him it is clear that he is Munishwaran, and quite clearly a very powerful form. I have studied the stories from Tamil areas in India and Malay and see the connections in numerous areas. My question is do you know how this form became the accepted form in the West Indies and what is the symbolism of the crescent moon and sun on his hands that you have encountered. I have my ideas based on some experience and believe these to have an “esoteric” meaning regarding the mind, very similar to Buddhist art forms with the sun and the crescent (sometimes full) moon, which is an expression of powers of the mind and spirit.<o:p></o:p>
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Thanks in advance.

my dear learned friend bhiro child i know it is with accordance with the head pujarie that you refer to Kanyakumari as Kaanyadaan maa but that is not her name her real name is Kanyakumari not as how we had learned or even self kaani devi there is no one by that name. but i guess that is their base knowledge. in hindu traditional the bride does a Kanyadhan pooja so that the bride groom will come for her safely and on time and so forth. this is has no relevance in shakti worship. however long ago when two persons were having problems with marriage devotion was given to poojay her by the head pujarie father with means of keeping people in the temple. and now we have a astan for her.
just like in guyana they have an astan for kabir panth a fakir and the call him naagura when there is no relevance of him in shakti worship. then they go about saying to remove anything that belong to allah in a shakti temple but yet the have a muslim saint ( no disrespect to my muslim brothers and sisters) in the temple. this is what i call a double edge sword.
these are just certain customs and i stress customs that have been handed down and some how have been transformed into rituals but when you ask why who or how the answers are never justified and makes no sense. they are unwilling to advance and bring progress to the temples because what they have learnt from their father is correct and that is that. they do not want to consider that probably what they have learnt was wrong because then this would mean that shakti worship never belong to them and their dada and papa and uncle and so forth. according to the trinidad and guyanese word Madrasee. Even Madrass has moved forward and we lag behind you dont have to be black to worship Kali. tell them pujarie five o say so.
when i posted the text the intention was to edify as i have did not ridicule gays are human also but rather how can the mother help if you address her wrong and poojay her image that was meant for some one else.
when you go to the pooja stores they also believe that they know everything but you know the book i used the pic of Anasuya was from a store in trinidad itself and when i showed the girls there of the pics of certain devis they still sell it as how they like but i realise that no matter they just want to make a sale. so one has to edify oneself so these money hungry business places dont fool us do as i did purchase what you want not what they want to sell you.

my friend welcome to our discussions and your input is greatly appreciated. we as a people must not believe everything that we are fed that is what makes us different from dumb animals for we have the power of speech and intellegience to think. i understand your question on Munispreng see if this is what they have learnt that is what they will teach. again for the simple they are afraid to say that what they have been selling for all these years was false how can they for the money will go somewhere else so now they have to start to catagorise and say all are one and they are just different forms. the correct name for him is Muniswaran nothing else.

I have been told that he is the Moon God and a Landmaster among other things

as i have also been told at the start of my journey but this is not him that is Chandrae deva but you see once again old customs and stories that bears a resemblence were joined as one simple no high tech talk about it. Same as permeshwari the devi who Chamar kill pigs for.

I have my ideas based on some experience and believe these to have an “esoteric” meaning regarding the mind

quite true and i agree again customs and beliefs turn into rituals. and rituals hand down from generation to generation with no investigation of what or how they came to. listen we well some caribbean folk think that this worship brought here by our forefathers came and stopped right here so now as the world is opening to different ways of gathering info it becomes impossible for them to cope with this new set of information. according to my daughter poem she had to learn: learn little children before you are old for a good education is better than gold.

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these are tamil base pics the one of Khal Bhairav is called Batukaya but also it goes with the story of how he had fell in love with the king's daughter. Most grama devas are always depicted riding horses for they are warriors. hope i have answered some of you doubts.

so anyways what is you take on kali worship in trinidad.

Dear Pujarie,

I dont feel that I can comment on any form of worship as I myself have little understanding of these things. Some things if they dont feel right are most likely not right. It has always seemed to me that all Devas want you to use your brain to solve things and not blindly follow the pack headlong into ignorance. Faith and the mind must be in accord.

Upon investigation I have noticed that many pictures of the Gods in the West Indies are not correct, especially with Kateri Ma. For example pictures of Sri Krishna and Bali are often "thought" to be her. Telling people this provokes quite the defensive response.

Your comment about the West Indians and Tamils in East Asia speaking are opening many doors is correct on many levels. It might have the effect however of tearing down ones faith as a new way could seem very threatening to previously held beliefs. But this is the information age and is truly a double edged sword.

God Bless.

i totally agree with you that is why through the computers and boks that i ws fortunate in getting to broaden my knowledge i have started to campaign against the wrong usage of the devis and devtas using as always black and white when i speak. i show them photos that i can get with atleast a little script and i always quote the source. for a while now i have been telling my fellow devotees that the pic of Sri Katerie is really that of Krishna in the form balaji also called Venkateshwara, but they dont like to listen for their belief is too strong to accept a changing Hinduism. their loss. i always say that ingnorance is no excuse for if you call a man a woman you are bound to get no results but do the heads and the pooja store owners listen no so the masses are led blindly over the cliff into their own self destruction. Take for example their are head pujaries who run Sada (worship without BLOOD) temples and stand every sunday and criticise the worship of Kali Maa in the Blood Form saying that mother was never created to drink blood and eat any meat or dwell amongst unclean poojas then on Monday these are the same persons who are seen in the lines in K.F.C. or in the Chinese resturants buying foods inclusive of meats. so it is alright for the man to eat but not the devi when it was she who have created everything for her own worship. Hypocrites. then the divine does not drink blood but there is no end to the supply that they shove down thier throats then the divine devi does eat nor drink but the pujarie who is in charge of taking care of her can do as he likes. Then there are those females that own the temples and have the devootees that come to their temple call them not by their names or refer to them as pujarin but as Mother. whose mother i dont know heres the excuse: because they own the temple and they are female they are the mother in the temple so call me MAA or MATA. LOL. the same rope they use to test should first be tested on them. Spiritually goes so much further than these material things that we sekk for that it is amazing to see these spiritual leaders always falling for the vanity in each aspect of life if not women then money.
Spin top in mud is what i say pujaries distribute list for you to get items to purchase for poojas and the first thing you see on the list is the price per pooja imagine a Kali Maa pooja costs from $2000.00 TT and up so to go to my mother is so expensive. but we the material persons are so blind that we fail to realise that is why the devi has one of her palms facing us showering her darshan so freely, but i always we trinis must always hear a price else we think that the prayers is not accepted.
my views.

I truly believe that he has attempted to mix in folklore, but I do however commend him on his attempts and most of all I am grateful that you are trying to help me understand.
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Now in this picture, he has two hands, whereas a first murti that I ever saw of him had four hands:
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He is holding-
A triangle in his left front hand
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A circular shaped disc, maybe a shield of some sort, in the back right hand and the crescent moon in the back left hand
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Long before our time, in ancient ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:place w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region> lived King Thakshar who was Lord Siva's father in law. One fine day, he decided to perform a special pooja called the Achvametha Yagam. Unfortunately he did not invite Lord Siva to the Yagam. Brahma, Vishnu, Indra, the Thevars and Maha Rishis strongly requested that Lord Siva be invited but King Thakshar was indeed stubborn. He flatly refused. <o:p></o:p>
He continued to conduct the Yagam without giving Lord Sivca his share of the Avir. Lord Siva's anger was apparent. King Thakshar was cursed by Nandhithevar, who sits at the base of Lord Siva's idol , and Sivanintahi resulted. The Yagam did not end. Lord Siva's anger exploded. Frightful Veeera Pathirar, Lord Siva's guard, appeared angrily from the Yagam.<o:p></o:p>
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In so assuming the different incarnations, Lord Sri Muneeswarar has showered his blessings on His devotees. Sivasakthi is Knowledge. In praying to Lord Muneeswarar, devotees may achieve bliss and good health in life.

Does this extract prove the origination of Muneeshwaran?
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Perhaps all the different representations of Muneeswaran's pictures and of murtis are really his many incarnations?
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And it should be spelt M-U-N-E-E-S-H-W-A-R-A-N, not so?
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And what does his name mean? Do you know?
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I really do not understand, if the Shakti off Muneshwaran or any devi or devta, manifests upon someone and they worship them wrongly and call them the wrong names, why doesn’t the Shakti correct them immediately.
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Is it because of the strength of an innocent devotee’s faith, trust, and love in gods and goddesses that it really does not matter how you call on to them by name, as long as your heart is pure and innocent?
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I have seen how faith, trust, and love are ever so powerful, more powerful than knowledge itself.
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Then again, we cannot trust, love or have faith without knowing someone or something………or can we??



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“Muni” in Sanskrit means sage and since sages were very popular during Vedic period it was easy to incarnate munishswarans as the fierceful form of sages who accompanied goddess Durga

because of his closeness to lord shiva folklore begot munishwaran this way some even say that he is because of the sun and moon in his hands the creator and ruler of day and night and the seasons. but one has to remember that when the devi was created she also recieved as gifts the sun and the crescent moon from lord shiva so it safe to say that within time generations by ways to easily identify and appreciate gave him sun and moon.

the beauty of internet i also have this document a good base of information.

yes and no it proves that munishwaran exists. but when you look at the document it also identifies veerabadhra

Perhaps all the different representations of Muneeswaran's pictures and of murtis are really his many incarnations

dont be so naive ( no disrespect) an incarnation can have different names because of the difference in language but will still only be one

I really do not understand, if the Shakti off Muneshwaran or any devi or devta, manifests upon someone and they worship them wrongly and call them the wrong names, why doesn’t the Shakti correct them immediately

this is my point all along with which i have problems but if what the children learn from the start wrong and are not pointed in the right direction how would the shakti grow to be stronger. dont get me wrong i am not the best within this shakti worship but i am always on the look out for the imposters. it is a combination of everything that has these persons giving wrong readings and also the child not living up to their duties. Shakti: this is such a vast word that you know not even the size of a mustard grain is the amount of shakti that comes on the children so when you do not do the proper things in life and follow the rules the result is what you get imposters.

Is it because of the strength of an innocent devotee’s faith, trust, and love in gods and goddesses that it really does not matter how you call on to them by name, as long as your heart is pure and innocent

would you go with faith, trust and love in god and address Khal Bhairav as ganga maa: No. so then it is the same heart being pure and innocent is foundation for you to prepare thyself not address the gods. this is why we have so many and i believe this is the result of having one for each purpose. take for example take a look at all the victims of crime are they who have lost their loved ones pure and innocent but yet look at the results

I have seen how faith, trust, and love are ever so powerful, more powerful than knowledge itself.

these are just tools for the divine to impart and guide in every day life but also their is honesty to bring the faith, trust and love then there is intelligence to understand and then the emotions that help guide us to make certain sensible sacrifices as i said just tools for further improvement.

great to see you around and about i am trying to check how much kali temples we have in trinidad if you know of any i did not mention please post.

i have a picture like that in meh temple hehe you have the one with Kateri on the horse and Sangilli with the big sword got them from omars in south

dont be so naive ( no disrespect) an incarnation can have different names because of the difference in language but will still only be one

This is a very good point. Most people only see the forms from their culture or region and believe this to be the only form. If you look at the forms of Mother Kali in India it is quite diverse and she is even the Protector of the Dalai Lama in the form of Palden Lahmo. Despite the variations of form, her nature remains the same. I actually like the Shinto way of representing the Gods; by using calligraphy of the name so the mind is not fixated upon the form. People get so caught up on pictures that they actually limit how the power of divinity can work in thier life and are unable to exprience the full vastness of God.

Shakti: this is such a vast word that you know not even the size of a mustard grain is the amount of shakti that comes on the children so when you do not do the proper things in life and follow the rules the result is what you get imposters.

Words can never describe the power of Shakti, only exprience.

i have a picture like that in meh temple hehe you have the one with Kateri on the horse and Sangilli with the big sword got them from omars in south

Are you able (or willing?) to post a clear and complete picture of Munishswaran as posted in the previous post? I have Kal Bhairo in this form, I love the picture. Do you know who drew those series of pictures?

not getting whole pic but try this one when you say i have kal bhiro int this form what do you mean? not personally these pics were a shipment that came to trinidad from tamil nadu india

Pujarie,

Thank you for the posting of the picture.

I have Kal Bhairo sitting on the horse in the same artistic style of the Master Sanganie, Kateri Ma and Muni Spreng pictures. Not the one with him and Devi on the horse together. I had a feeling they came from India, they have a sort of unearthly feel to them.......

I saw a website for a Temple in Malay that totally blew my mind...It has Hindu deities similar to Kali Temple, Buddhist deities, Taoist deities and even Jesus and Mary. I cannot remember the site but if I can retrace my steps I will post it.

Have you read the Tirumantrium or heard of it?

my friend there is also a pic of a devta riding a white horse with sword in his hands upraised just like Khal Bhairav but he is not he s Kalki Devta the last and final form of Sri Vishnu whom is yet to come at the end of Kaliiyug i hope this is not the one you have. the next question you might ask is how would i know the diffference well the Khal Bhiarav by himself has a little brown dog or jackal by his side for this pic originated from Varanasi or Kashipur where he is known as Kashi Rajan.

Have you read the Tirumantrium or heard of it?

sorry no! but please enlighten me. once it is something about mother and shakti worship i would love to have. do you know of the Mariamman Thalatthu trying to get an original for the longest while have a photocopy but would like to have one in its original state. but please do enlighten me of the Tirumantrium.

Hey pujarie,


I know Kaani and I do her devotion and I love her irregardless of whether she is a shakti devi or not. Those people in the puja stores sure do know how to make $ of off us. That pic I bought was when I had now entered shakti worship, now I know better. Last year i was looking for a bhairo baba murti, they said I had to import it, I ended up goin to this odd puja store and got the most beautiful murti of him, price was exorbitant but I love him. The puja stores for some odd reason sell all pictures and murtis associated with Shakti worship for sometimes 2 and 3 times. God know why and half the time they dont know what they selling yuh. Know better now thanks for the heads up.


Jai Kali Maa
Jai Shree Maha Shakti Khaal Bhairo Baba

Merry Christmas to Everyone

Dear Pujari (and all viewers),

The Tirumantriam is Tamil Tantra and is from the Saivite tradition. It describes all the energies of Shakti, mantras along with other interesting information including the different types of Yoga. It has one of the best descriptions of the union of Siva and Shakti that I have encountered. Ber in mind that one needs a Guru to grasp the full content of the text. With a background in kali work it will still make sense. Kaal Bhairava also has a small part of a chapter dedicated towards him.

I have a copy with the Tamil and English translations. I need a few more posts then I can send a link.

I have also included a picture of another form of Muneswarar.

hey great pic of munishwaran went online and read parts of the book great piece of literature. god bless Jai Kali peace and happiness to you and your family

Yes,
This is indeed Bahuchara Maa. She is a fertility aspect of Devi. Because homosexuals and transgender people and the eunuchs were born without fertility they believe that by abandoning all forms of their masculinity and worshipping her they will gain back their masculinity in another lifetime, or just be free from being born transgender which obviously had wonderful implications in the ancient world as being a sem-divine person on Earth, where as now in this day they are persecuted and forced into begging and prostitution for a living. In ancient times they were paid money to dance at weddings, new houses, or the birth of a child to remove misfortune. They also were kept as guardians and companions of harems, often keeping the women beautiful by their natural skills of hairdressing and teaching them with their natural talents to dance and sing. One could note the story of of Brihinala, or Arjuna who took the form of a transgender and took hiding in a nearby kingdom. S/he taught dancing, and singing to the Princess as well as served as a hairdresser and entertainer.

She is also worshipped by women for the begetting of a Child. I know two girls who visited her temple and were both pregnant with children within a month.

Bahuchara Mata can be worshipped on Sundays and Full Moons if you are looking for fertility within the family or if you are a transgendered and seek her blessings.

Also another interesting note about the Transgender when they worship her is that before they commence with ANY sort of surgical body modification they through various forms of divination consult her before their gender changing surgery. If she says it is a right and auspicious time, the Hijra Chela will then undergo the operation by a person deemed a "mid wife". Then after they operation they are taken out as a bride, and shown to the community. They are also made to sit on a mill stone until they "mensturate" or basically bleed as a sign of being woman. During the castration ceremony they all gather and chant "Mata, Mata" over and over until the culmination of power, and then of course that is when the undesired object(s) are removed, and offered to the Goddess as a sign of their devotion. I also believe that they live in special quarters of town where there is a guru or elder Hijra that presides over her Chelas. They all live together like family.

Isn't diversity wonderful!? I love the fact that Maa's children are so diverse all over the world, with so many customs and traditions. It's a shame that people hate each other for these differences. I mean clearly these people are devoted and dedicated to make such a sacrifice to the Goddess!

Anyway,
I just wanted to let you know about what I know about Bahuchara, her followers and her worship. I know the subject of gender variance and fertility, as well as diversity seems to be offensive to some, however I consider it beautiful.

I also uploaded an image of Bahuchara Mata Devi, and two pictures I found of the very intriguing Hijras.

I also want to say that if I said anything thay may offend someone who MAY be a Hijra on this board or who may read it online by getting something wrong, I appologize. I am just trying my best to convey a subject of people of diversity that I admire for their adamant devotion to the call of Maa!

Jai Mata Di!

great to see another child of the divine kali putting an imput into this. but anyways whats your info on parmeshwari or kateri mata with this in mind feel free to comment on you aspect of devi maa worship.

Jai Kali Maa

Just a quick message to all wising a happy new year. May all the pain and sufferment be washed away by the loving Mother leading to a fresh start for 2008. Let not yesterdays problems become today's problems. The Ganga is always flowing and all we have to do is choose to swim in her purity, freshness and healing energy.