before Das i want to b Vaishnav and before Vaishnav i want to be Human -part 5

Who is a Bhagwad Sadhu/Sant?

Nishkam (observance of celibacy)

Nirlobh (abstinence from keeping money or possessions)

Niswad (controlling the palate)

Nisneha (detachment from family members)

Nirman (humility)

A Sadhu who does not have these qualities is not a Bhagwad sadhu. Coz one who has not attained this stage can do no good to others.

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What is Maya?

Anything that comes in between U and God is maya....Parents/Children/Money/Wife/Husband

NarsingMehta -> He prayed to God to take his son away and end his Vansh and when his wife passed away he said "Saru thaiu chuuti janjad sukhe thi bajsu HariGopad"

The fools will say anyone is God and worship all and anyone. Follow the eternal scriptures and not man made

scriptures. The Vedic scriptures are eternal and have always existed. Don't waste this rare birth, focus only on Krishna.

What does the main Vedic scripture say about who to worship?

"Whatever a man sacrifices to other gods, O son of Kunti, is really meant for me alone, but it is offered without true understanding. I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize my true transcendental nature fall down." (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.23)

"He who follows this imperishable path of devotional service and who completely engages himself with faith, making Me the supreme goal, is very, very dear to Me." (Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 12.20)

What does the Bhagavad-gita say about who not to worship?

"Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet."

(Lord Krishna Bhagavad-Gita 7.23)

why should we, who have not attained GOD or PARAMATMA, comment on beliefs.....we have a long way to go and no time to look what people do....

look at the sky and u will find Krishna

look at the human and u will find Krishna

look at anything and u will find Krishna

if this is true then y do we diffrentiate?

here is a story i have heared:-

A Brahmin was just going to sit for his Lunch and he had Rice in his plate, he went inside to get some Ghee...but inbetween there came a Dog and ate his rice...the Brahmin ran after the Dog not with a stick but with the bowl of Ghee saying oh God u came and ate rice and have the ghee as well" thats the stage where all u see u find God and all what happens u consider as Gods wish

if there is wrong it will End...and God will end it...we humans cant end nothing...he is the real creator or destroyer.....why do we humans have to interrupt

give a thought.....what r we? r we humans? r we Vaishnav? if we say we r Das of Krishna then why r we looking around the world????

"das of krsna" is "vaishnavas"

human means to be servant of krsna.. otherwise our human condition will end very soon after the moment of death

if we believe we r Das of Krishna and thats Vaishnav, then why dont we concentrate on Krishna and serve him rather then looking at what people do?

Vaishnav jan to tene kahiye je PeeD paraayi jaaNe re Par-dukhkhe upkaar kare toye Man abhimaan na aaNe re Vaishnav... SakaL lok maan sahune vande Nindaa na kare keni re Vaach kaachh man nishchaL raakhe Dhan-dhan janani teni re Vaishnav... Sam-drishti ne trishna tyaagi Par-stree jene maat re Jivha thaki asatya na bole Par-dhan nav jhaalee haath re Vaishnav... Moh-maaya vyaape nahi jene DriDh vairaagya jena man maan re Ram naam shoon taaLi laagi SakaL tirath tena tan maan re Vaishnav... VaN-lobhi ne kapaT-rahit chhe Kaam-krodh nivaarya re BhaNe Narsaiyyo tenun darshan karta KuL ekoter taarya re Vaishnav... --

Translation – One who is a vaishnav Knows the pain of others Does good to others, esp. to those ones who are in misery without letting pride enter his mind. A Vaishnav, Tolerates and praises the the entire world. Does not speak ill of others Keeps his/her promises, actions and thoughts pure O Vaishnav, your mother is blessed (dhanya-dhanya) A Vaishnav sees everything equally, rejects greed and avarice Considers some one else's wife/daughter as his mother The toungue may get tired, but will never speak lies Does not even touch someone else's property A Vaishnav does not succumb to worldly attachments Who has complete detachment to worldly pleasures Who has been addicted to the elixir coming by the name of Ram All the centres of pilgrimages are in his body. Who has no greed and deceit or does not conspirate Who has renounced lust of all types and anger The poet Narsi will like to see such a person By who's virtue, the entire family gets salvation

"if we believe we r Das of Krishna and thats Vaishnav, then why dont we concentrate on Krishna and serve him rather then looking at what people do?"

that's right... but give this advice precisely to the ones who deserve it (surely to me) not to all vaishnavas

a vaishnava is concentrated on krsna, preaching is his samadhi

i m no one to advice

m a learner myself

i m still in the form of Jiva and i hold no position to advice except that i can possibly share my knowledge and experience

i hope to learn something of u'll and surely attain something /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Could you please clear a doubt of mine! Very difficult to become a Vaishnava. I mean if you are working in an office, u would know what I mean. If you are too humble, people think you are meek and they don't consider you seriously. They think you are a person to be taken advantage of...I mean this is the mentality of the people these days. So what do u think? Should we be taken advantage of or fight back? IN DEFENSE? HareKrishna!

I might not be the best person, but i shall try my best on base of my limited knowledge :-

A human who does sin is sure a sinner but a human who defends or protects the means of sin is more then a sinner.

If any wrong happens then do not take it for granted.

Being humble is not bad but we have to act according to the situation being in our limits.

We are devotees of Lord, and Parabrahm (GOD) resides in a Body (Jiv) which deserves and acts accordingly.

eg:- 2 bowls, one with hole and one without, pour water in both and the one with hole will drain out the water while the one without hole will still have water.

Any act in defence is not a sin, if a lady comes to break ur Celibacy then you can protect ur self in 2 ways either by killing yourself or killing her VISE_VERSA if a man goes to Rape a women then she should defend herself by killing herself or the opposit person.

At the same time our act should b such that people take positive things from us. Our behaviour should odour of being vaishnav.

To Defend is not bad, but in our limits.....

I hope this helps you to solve ur doubt.....nothing is I-M-POSSIBLE /images/graemlins/wink.gif

>Could you please clear a doubt of mine! Very difficult to become a Vaishnava. I mean if you are working in an office, u would know what I mean. If you are too humble, people think you are meek and they don't consider you seriously. They think you are a person to be taken advantage of...I mean this is the mentality of the people these days. So what do u think? Should we be taken advantage of or fight back? IN DEFENSE? HareKrishna!

sometimes dealing with the rough world we have to be rough. Prabhupada said we should be like "a lamb at home and a lion in the chase." so to stick up for yourself does not go against humility. we can keep humility internally and maintain a rough exterior when dealing with such people. thanks, Hare Krsna.