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April 28, 2000

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Silver Mouse, Noble Otter -- love these names!

October 17, 2000

nice touch. (ha!)

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June 9, 2001

tonysan....my knee-jerk response.....YES!.....when we stand down from the

clouds and enter the mud-pit we become as those in the

pit.....PIGS!......how about some pig poetry for TMcV...he beat the system

even if it cost him his life....a modern martyr of the injustice of the many

wracked upon the few.....reminds me of EVER AFTER, a cindarella story (a fav

of my daugher Elisa) when Danielle says to the Pince of France...."First,

you make thieves and then you punish them"....better....first we make

murderers and then we murder them......sheez! the Inquistion, Salem Witch

Trials, McCathyism, Legalized Marijuana?.....i am going to find a piece of

road kill, havwe a meal and then take warm nap in the afternnoon

sunlight!.....^^~~~~~

further up and further in,

white wolfe

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Tony O'Clery <aoclery

<>

Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:30 AM

(unknown)

> Namaste All,

>

> The death penalty is supported by low mentality or low educated

> male whites in the main. You know like Dubya hahah. Those against are

> mostly women who are black or catholic.

>

> Those who view, and approve, the execution have a unique opportunity

> not afforded most of us. They can actually view their future karma.

>

> However one seems to be more 'aware', than most.

>

> But Steve Pruitt has forgiven Timothy McVeigh.

>

> Yes, it was McVeigh - and his co-conspirator Terry

> Nichols - who

> blinded Pruitt in one eye. It was McVeigh who put

> him through more

> than a year of painful recovery. It was McVeigh who

> killed 168 people

> in Pruitt's office building and tore into America's

> psyche.

>

> But Pruitt has forgiven him.

>

> And he doesn't think the convicted bomber should be

> executed. To

> Pruitt, who now lives in Atlanta, that would be "a

> revenge killing".

>

> "We're thinking like Tim McVeigh. We're acting like

> Tim McVeigh," he

> said. "This isn't going to do me any good.

>

> "Do I get my eye back?"

>

> ONS....Tony.

>

> /join

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 9, 2001

, "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> tonysan....my knee-jerk response.....YES!.....when we stand down

from the

> clouds and enter the mud-pit we become as those in the

> pit.....PIGS!......how about some pig poetry for TMcV...he beat the

system

> even if it cost him his life....a modern martyr of the injustice of

the many

> wracked upon the few.....reminds me of EVER AFTER, a cindarella

story (a fav

> of my daugher Elisa) when Danielle says to the Pince of

France...."First,

> you make thieves and then you punish them"....better....first we

make

> murderers and then we murder them......sheez! the Inquistion, Salem

Witch

> Trials, McCathyism, Legalized Marijuana?.....i am going to find a

piece of

> road kill, havwe a meal and then take warm nap in the afternnoon

> sunlight!.....^^~~~~~

>

> further up and further in,

>

> white wolfe

Namaste WW,

Yes it is primitive, due to believing the Bible word for word and

following the traditions of the Puritans.

It is a great loss losing the teaching of reincarnation from

Christianity. Removed by the dissolute wife of Constantine because she

didn't like the idea, so perhaps banning it made it not be true. Some

council perhaps Nicea c 300. AD.

With regard to 'pig poetry', that isn't an insult per se. It refers to

the life of Indra King of the Gods as a pig, with a family etc. I

suppose all poetry praising samsara can be called pig, even if it is

nice. A pig is a very clean animal by the way.....ONS....Tony.

June 9, 2001

sure....LOL....that is way i love 'pig poetry!'.....^^~~~~~

-

Tony O'Clery <aoclery

<>

Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:15 AM

Re: (unknown)

> , "White Wolfe" <valemar@m...> wrote:

> > tonysan....my knee-jerk response.....YES!.....when we stand down

> from the

> > clouds and enter the mud-pit we become as those in the

> > pit.....PIGS!......how about some pig poetry for TMcV...he beat the

> system

> > even if it cost him his life....a modern martyr of the injustice of

> the many

> > wracked upon the few.....reminds me of EVER AFTER, a cindarella

> story (a fav

> > of my daugher Elisa) when Danielle says to the Pince of

> France...."First,

> > you make thieves and then you punish them"....better....first we

> make

> > murderers and then we murder them......sheez! the Inquistion, Salem

> Witch

> > Trials, McCathyism, Legalized Marijuana?.....i am going to find a

> piece of

> > road kill, havwe a meal and then take warm nap in the afternnoon

> > sunlight!.....^^~~~~~

> >

> > further up and further in,

> >

> > white wolfe

>

> Namaste WW,

>

> Yes it is primitive, due to believing the Bible word for word and

> following the traditions of the Puritans.

>

> It is a great loss losing the teaching of reincarnation from

> Christianity. Removed by the dissolute wife of Constantine because she

> didn't like the idea, so perhaps banning it made it not be true. Some

> council perhaps Nicea c 300. AD.

>

> With regard to 'pig poetry', that isn't an insult per se. It refers to

> the life of Indra King of the Gods as a pig, with a family etc. I

> suppose all poetry praising samsara can be called pig, even if it is

> nice. A pig is a very clean animal by the way.....ONS....Tony.

>

> /join

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

June 15, 2001

Sister Patacara:

Washing my feet, I noticed

the

water.

And in watching it flow from high

to

low,

my heart was composed

like a fine thoroughbred steed.

Then taking a lamp, I entered the hut,

checked the bedding,

sat down on the bed.

And taking a pin, I pulled out the wick:

Like the flame's unbinding

was the liberation

of awareness.

-Therigatha-

>From The MInd Like Fire Unbound-

An Image in the Early Buddhist Discourses -Thanissaro Bhikkhu

June 16, 2001

Dear Tony,

You wrote:

> But then I am only a sadhaka and not a self proclaimed

> realised sage like the person who made the above

> statements.

Do you have a problem with me or something? :-)

How many times has it now been suggested to you that your reading skills

leave something to be desired? I do use the word "profess", of course I

do, that is something different than "proclaim." The only thing we

humans beings need to do is "recover and reclaim" our "original human

divinity" or, if that expression is a bit much for you, "our original

being."

There is nothing un-toward about that. In fact such self reclamation is

something I'm wishing you would be able to manifest sometime soon. At

least you are asking the right question, "Who am I?"

By the way: "I am only a Sadakha" is not the answer to "Who am I?"

There is no merit in artificial self limitation.

> I find the above statements to be quite surprising, and arrogant.

Surprising statements? Of course, why do you think I wrote them? Do you

think I was not surprised myself when I discovered them?

> In the first place things in the spiritual world haven't

> changed that much since the 1950s and neither

> have the seekers.

Seekers indeed do not change...that is as long as they are seekers...

When they change they instantly become finders... I actually used the

word "audience" Tony, not "seekers", an audience consists of listeners

not compulsive questioners, look up the word... Listening is not

something you excel at...

> In the first place things in the spiritual world haven't

> changed that much since the 1950s

No change since the fifties? To use your own words, you attest that

nothing has actually happened whatsoever... So why is the period since

the 1950s all of a sudden so outstanding that you may want to question

it?

> With regard to Jesus, where does he say it is a mistake, the cross,

> that is. There are only about 13 lines in the new testament that can

> be directly attributed to him. If you say the cross was a mistake then

> you say that his whole mission to demonstrate the non existence of

> death to be wrong?

Do you really want to know? Do you really think that you are ready to

accept an answer to those questions? Do you think that you can at least

listen and read a bit more carefully, not jumping to conclusions that

prevent your understanding?

When "Who am I?" is not figured out by you, can you really know anything

about anybody and anything else?

> Who are these beings of similar clarity now, inferring

> they are somewhat superior to Ramana etc?

The inference is yours, Tony! What do you think "similar clarity" means?

And do you really want to know who these beings are now? Is your

tendency to ridicule not clouding your ability to recognize?

> Is it those that insist that this creation is real and there is no

> other valid argument?

Again, would you actually like to know?

Also, reality has nothing to do with arguments, valid or not. As long as

arguments are important to you, you are not focusing on truth and

reality. You are squarely in the realm of concepts, notions,

assumptions, conditional statements, deductions, the conditionality of

the illusive world of concepts. As long as you argue, truth will elude

you.

And where, all of a sudden, do you get the word "creation" from? Not

from anything I wrote. Or are you perchance again careless with

expressing yourself, as you now so often have admitted?

Give yourself a chance Tony, a fair one, we do, and hope and wish you

the best...

Love, Tony, Wim

July 19, 2001

Hi,

If you mean being one with the Self, I fell into it once by accident. It is

there in everyone, honest. I've only been on this list for a short while

and reading the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi is like coming home, or

revisiting a country you went to a long time ago. And just in case anybody

is wondering, I'm not enlightened. I only experienced this state once. I

think what stops me experiencing it again is the desire for life experiences

and the desire to cultivate psychic gifts - all of which are desires of the

ego. I haven't lost sight of the silent witness within though, and I am

aware that my desires are probably a sign of immaturity!

Like I said I fell into it by accident. I'd just started meditating (the

3rd time I'd done it). I was with a large group of people and the lady next

to me was making a noise and irritating me, when bang, I just went into it.

No great emotion, just the total serenity of the Self within, beyond the

personality. It's like another you you weren't aware of before, totally

different to the you of your personality, who just watches everything, for

want of a better explanation, never gets involved in the dramas of life,

always serene and peaceful. And when you look at other people you see the

same Self in them, and so how can you love or hate anyone, everyone is the

same, it's just life experiences which make us appear different because our

attention is on the outside edge.

I don't know if all this makes sense. (But I know what I mean!)

So what I mean to say is don't give up are get disheartened, if you're

looking you'll probably find. And you'll find you're not who you thought

you were, not in your innermost being. In fact I salute you for looking,

because I'm not at the moment, I'm trying to develop psychic gifts.

With best wishes

Marion

b_s_sunil <b_s_sunil

RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:54 PM

[RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>Dear members of the group

>

>I have a question.

>

>No matter what i think my mind cannot

>comprehend the timeless existence.

>

>IT is accustomed to think in terms of time

>and duration.My mind just cannot go

>beyond this concept of time.

>

>How can i realise this timeless existence ?

>

>With Regards

>Sunil Shankar

>

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July 19, 2001

Hi, I forgot to add what should have been the main answer, follow Sri Ramana

Maharshi's advice. Find out who "I" really is. Doesn't matter whether you

are quick to find or slow to find - your intention will surely take you

there.

Marion

Marion Hanvey <maz

RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

Friday, July 20, 2001 2:00 AM

Re: [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>Hi,

>If you mean being one with the Self, I fell into it once by accident. It

is

>there in everyone, honest. I've only been on this list for a short while

>and reading the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi is like coming home, or

>revisiting a country you went to a long time ago. And just in case anybody

>is wondering, I'm not enlightened. I only experienced this state once. I

>think what stops me experiencing it again is the desire for life

experiences

>and the desire to cultivate psychic gifts - all of which are desires of the

>ego. I haven't lost sight of the silent witness within though, and I am

>aware that my desires are probably a sign of immaturity!

>Like I said I fell into it by accident. I'd just started meditating (the

>3rd time I'd done it). I was with a large group of people and the lady

>No great emotion, just the total serenity of the Self within, beyond the

>personality. It's like another you you weren't aware of before, totally

>different to the you of your personality, who just watches everything, for

>want of a better explanation, never gets involved in the dramas of life,

>always serene and peaceful. And when you look at other people you see the

>same Self in them, and so how can you love or hate anyone, everyone is the

>same, it's just life experiences which make us appear different because our

>attention is on the outside edge.

>I don't know if all this makes sense. (But I know what I mean!)

>So what I mean to say is don't give up are get disheartened, if you're

>looking you'll probably find. And you'll find you're not who you thought

>you were, not in your innermost being. In fact I salute you for looking,

>because I'm not at the moment, I'm trying to develop psychic gifts.

>With best wishes

>Marion

>

>b_s_sunil <b_s_sunil

>RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

>Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:54 PM

>[RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>

>>Dear members of the group

>>

>>I have a question.

>>

>>No matter what i think my mind cannot

>>comprehend the timeless existence.

>>

>>IT is accustomed to think in terms of time

>>and duration.My mind just cannot go

>>beyond this concept of time.

>>

>>How can i realise this timeless existence ?

>>

>>With Regards

>>Sunil Shankar

>>

>> Post message: RamanaMaharshi

>> Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-

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>>

>

July 20, 2001

Hello,

> No matter what i think my mind cannot

> comprehend the timeless existence.

It is not a problem with your mind. That the nature

of the mind. Mind can only operate within time. Thoughts

follow one another and create the illusion of time. You

can experience timeless existence only beyond the mind.

> How can i realise this timeless existence ?

Atma Vichara is a very effective way. Along with

Atma Vichara, you can also read some books on Advaitha.

I suggest "The Supreme Yoga - A translation of the

Yoga Vashishta" by Swami Venkatesananda, published by

The Divine Life Society (http://www.dlshq.org/) After

reading the two volumes of this book, you can read

"Advaitha Bodha Deepika" published by Sri Ramanashram

(http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/)

With regards,

Gomu.

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July 20, 2001

Dear Marion,

Thanks for your excellent mail. I understand your situation. I am

sure there are quite a few of us in a similar situation. Earlier I too

was wondering like you. I too have not reached the Goal, but I "see"

the "Reality" every moment. Everything became clear in a flash and has

stayed for ever. Though anger has left for ever, desires and passion

linger. I was wondering if vasanas can stay in the body-mind complex

even after Aparokshaanubhuti - direct Realization of the Self. A few

months back I stumbled upon the book "Advaitha Bodha Deepika" published

by Sri Ramanashramam. In the book this state of mind is clearly given.

The book mentioned four steps or stages:

1. Parokshaanubhuti - indirect knowledge of the Self got through the

company of saints, scripture, etc

2. Aparokshaanubhuti - direct knowledge of the Self

3. Vaasanakshaya - destruction of vasanas (mental tendencies)

4. Manonaasa - destruction of mind - Jivanmukti (liberation)

The book details the characteristics of each stage and instructions

to move from one to the other. The book is wonderful. I am sure you will

be able to comprehend your state and get directions to proceed further

from the book.

With love,

Gomu.

Marion Hanvey wrote:

>

> Hi,

> If you mean being one with the Self, I fell into it once by accident. It is

> there in everyone, honest. I've only been on this list for a short while

> and reading the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi is like coming home, or

> revisiting a country you went to a long time ago. And just in case anybody

> is wondering, I'm not enlightened. I only experienced this state once. I

> think what stops me experiencing it again is the desire for life experiences

> and the desire to cultivate psychic gifts - all of which are desires of the

> ego. I haven't lost sight of the silent witness within though, and I am

> aware that my desires are probably a sign of immaturity!

> Like I said I fell into it by accident. I'd just started meditating (the

> 3rd time I'd done it). I was with a large group of people and the lady next

> to me was making a noise and irritating me, when bang, I just went into it.

> No great emotion, just the total serenity of the Self within, beyond the

> personality. It's like another you you weren't aware of before, totally

> different to the you of your personality, who just watches everything, for

> want of a better explanation, never gets involved in the dramas of life,

> always serene and peaceful. And when you look at other people you see the

> same Self in them, and so how can you love or hate anyone, everyone is the

> same, it's just life experiences which make us appear different because our

> attention is on the outside edge.

> I don't know if all this makes sense. (But I know what I mean!)

> So what I mean to say is don't give up are get disheartened, if you're

> looking you'll probably find. And you'll find you're not who you thought

> you were, not in your innermost being. In fact I salute you for looking,

> because I'm not at the moment, I'm trying to develop psychic gifts.

> With best wishes

> Marion

>

> b_s_sunil <b_s_sunil

> RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

> Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:54 PM

> [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>

> >Dear members of the group

> >

> >I have a question.

> >

> >No matter what i think my mind cannot

> >comprehend the timeless existence.

> >

> >IT is accustomed to think in terms of time

> >and duration.My mind just cannot go

> >beyond this concept of time.

> >

> >How can i realise this timeless existence ?

> >

> >With Regards

> >Sunil Shankar

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July 20, 2001

Dear Gomu,

Thank you very much. I will buy this book. Can you tell me who the

publisher etc. is please, in case I have to order it?

With love

Marion

Gokulmuthu N. <gokulmuthu

RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

Friday, July 20, 2001 12:56 PM

Re: [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>Dear Marion,

>

> Thanks for your excellent mail. I understand your situation. I am

>sure there are quite a few of us in a similar situation. Earlier I too

>was wondering like you. I too have not reached the Goal, but I "see"

>the "Reality" every moment. Everything became clear in a flash and has

>stayed for ever. Though anger has left for ever, desires and passion

>linger. I was wondering if vasanas can stay in the body-mind complex

>even after Aparokshaanubhuti - direct Realization of the Self. A few

>months back I stumbled upon the book "Advaitha Bodha Deepika" published

>by Sri Ramanashramam. In the book this state of mind is clearly given.

>The book mentioned four steps or stages:

>

>1. Parokshaanubhuti - indirect knowledge of the Self got through the

> company of saints, scripture, etc

>

>2. Aparokshaanubhuti - direct knowledge of the Self

>

>3. Vaasanakshaya - destruction of vasanas (mental tendencies)

>

>4. Manonaasa - destruction of mind - Jivanmukti (liberation)

>

>The book details the characteristics of each stage and instructions

>to move from one to the other. The book is wonderful. I am sure you will

>be able to comprehend your state and get directions to proceed further

>from the book.

>

>With love,

>Gomu.

>

>Marion Hanvey wrote:

>>

>> Hi,

>> If you mean being one with the Self, I fell into it once by accident. It

is

>> there in everyone, honest. I've only been on this list for a short

while

>> and reading the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi is like coming home, or

>> revisiting a country you went to a long time ago. And just in case

anybody

>> is wondering, I'm not enlightened. I only experienced this state once.

I

>> think what stops me experiencing it again is the desire for life

experiences

>> and the desire to cultivate psychic gifts - all of which are desires of

the

>> ego. I haven't lost sight of the silent witness within though, and I am

>> aware that my desires are probably a sign of immaturity!

>> Like I said I fell into it by accident. I'd just started meditating (the

>> 3rd time I'd done it). I was with a large group of people and the lady

it.

>> No great emotion, just the total serenity of the Self within, beyond the

>> personality. It's like another you you weren't aware of before, totally

>> different to the you of your personality, who just watches everything,

for

>> want of a better explanation, never gets involved in the dramas of life,

>> always serene and peaceful. And when you look at other people you see

the

>> same Self in them, and so how can you love or hate anyone, everyone is

the

>> same, it's just life experiences which make us appear different because

our

>> attention is on the outside edge.

>> I don't know if all this makes sense. (But I know what I mean!)

>> So what I mean to say is don't give up are get disheartened, if you're

>> looking you'll probably find. And you'll find you're not who you thought

>> you were, not in your innermost being. In fact I salute you for

looking,

>> because I'm not at the moment, I'm trying to develop psychic gifts.

>> With best wishes

>> Marion

>>

>> b_s_sunil <b_s_sunil

>> RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

>> Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:54 PM

>> [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>>

>> >Dear members of the group

>> >

>> >I have a question.

>> >

>> >No matter what i think my mind cannot

>> >comprehend the timeless existence.

>> >

>> >IT is accustomed to think in terms of time

>> >and duration.My mind just cannot go

>> >beyond this concept of time.

>> >

>> >How can i realise this timeless existence ?

>> >

>> >With Regards

>> >Sunil Shankar

>

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July 21, 2001

Hello,

It can be bought from Sri Ramanashramam. You can get more

details at http://www.ramana-maharshi.org/

With regards,

Gomu.

Marion Hanvey wrote:

>

> Dear Gomu,

>

> Thank you very much. I will buy this book. Can you tell me who the

> publisher etc. is please, in case I have to order it?

>

> With love

> Marion

>

> Gokulmuthu N. <gokulmuthu

> RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

> Friday, July 20, 2001 12:56 PM

> Re: [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

>

> >Dear Marion,

> >

> > Thanks for your excellent mail. I understand your situation. I am

> >sure there are quite a few of us in a similar situation. Earlier I too

> >was wondering like you. I too have not reached the Goal, but I "see"

> >the "Reality" every moment. Everything became clear in a flash and has

> >stayed for ever. Though anger has left for ever, desires and passion

> >linger. I was wondering if vasanas can stay in the body-mind complex

> >even after Aparokshaanubhuti - direct Realization of the Self. A few

> >months back I stumbled upon the book "Advaitha Bodha Deepika" published

> >by Sri Ramanashramam. In the book this state of mind is clearly given.

> >The book mentioned four steps or stages:

> >

> >1. Parokshaanubhuti - indirect knowledge of the Self got through the

> > company of saints, scripture, etc

> >

> >2. Aparokshaanubhuti - direct knowledge of the Self

> >

> >3. Vaasanakshaya - destruction of vasanas (mental tendencies)

> >

> >4. Manonaasa - destruction of mind - Jivanmukti (liberation)

> >

> >The book details the characteristics of each stage and instructions

> >to move from one to the other. The book is wonderful. I am sure you will

> >be able to comprehend your state and get directions to proceed further

> >from the book.

> >

> >With love,

> >Gomu.

> >

> >Marion Hanvey wrote:

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >> If you mean being one with the Self, I fell into it once by accident. It

> is

> >> there in everyone, honest. I've only been on this list for a short

> while

> >> and reading the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi is like coming home, or

> >> revisiting a country you went to a long time ago. And just in case

> anybody

> >> is wondering, I'm not enlightened. I only experienced this state once.

> I

> >> think what stops me experiencing it again is the desire for life

> experiences

> >> and the desire to cultivate psychic gifts - all of which are desires of

> the

> >> ego. I haven't lost sight of the silent witness within though, and I am

> >> aware that my desires are probably a sign of immaturity!

> >> Like I said I fell into it by accident. I'd just started meditating (the

> >> 3rd time I'd done it). I was with a large group of people and the lady

> next

> >> to me was making a noise and irritating me, when bang, I just went into

> it.

> >> No great emotion, just the total serenity of the Self within, beyond the

> >> personality. It's like another you you weren't aware of before, totally

> >> different to the you of your personality, who just watches everything,

> for

> >> want of a better explanation, never gets involved in the dramas of life,

> >> always serene and peaceful. And when you look at other people you see

> the

> >> same Self in them, and so how can you love or hate anyone, everyone is

> the

> >> same, it's just life experiences which make us appear different because

> our

> >> attention is on the outside edge.

> >> I don't know if all this makes sense. (But I know what I mean!)

> >> So what I mean to say is don't give up are get disheartened, if you're

> >> looking you'll probably find. And you'll find you're not who you thought

> >> you were, not in your innermost being. In fact I salute you for

> looking,

> >> because I'm not at the moment, I'm trying to develop psychic gifts.

> >> With best wishes

> >> Marion

> >>

> >> b_s_sunil <b_s_sunil

> >> RamanaMaharshi <RamanaMaharshi>

> >> Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:54 PM

> >> [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

> >>

> >> >Dear members of the group

> >> >

> >> >I have a question.

> >> >

> >> >No matter what i think my mind cannot

> >> >comprehend the timeless existence.

> >> >

> >> >IT is accustomed to think in terms of time

> >> >and duration.My mind just cannot go

> >> >beyond this concept of time.

> >> >

> >> >How can i realise this timeless existence ?

> >> >

> >> >With Regards

> >> >Sunil Shankar

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Ah so.. diogenes

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> Dear Group,

> In my quest for spiritual advancement, I d

> to

> this list. I received a great deal of information

> but

> after awhile, it became so sublime that I could no

> longer detect it in my in-box. Now, I have left

> this

> world as cyclotheme, only to be reborn as

> diogenes61.

> I know that one should not try to quantify

> experience,

> but is this change, or what???

> ;-) Frances Marion.

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January 10, 2002

16. Since the stilling of the mind is true liberation and miraculous

powers are unattainable without an act of the mind, how can they

whose mind is set on such powers enter the bliss of liberation which

is the ending of all stir of mind?

"Reality In Forty Verses: Supplement"--Ramana Maharshi

This is great! It's truly impossible. So many times I've entered

the miraculous power mindset and knew that was the way to my final

peace. Then my mind would really start reeling, with all the

wonderful and simple ways, with the help of my mind and my 'great

knowledge' I could reach it. It is an exhausting and silly path that

one tires of eventually, as you finally get that you are merely going

down that same road again, and it ain't gonna work.

I'm not saying I'm liberated. But I do know I'm finally liberated

from going down that particular path again in my spiritual life. It

was a great temptation the last time but quickly ignored (yayyyy) as

I get more and more grounded here. I finally got to see the

silliness of it all.

Now if I could do that with my dieting once and for all. :-)

xxxtg

January 10, 2002

, leteegee@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:42:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> bgbbyg@a... writes:

>

> > 16. Since the stilling of the mind is true liberation and

miraculous

> > powers are unattainable without an act of the mind, how can they

> > whose mind is set on such powers enter the bliss of liberation

which

> > is the ending of all stir of mind?

> >

> > "Reality In Forty Verses: Supplement"--Ramana Maharshi

>

> This is great! It's truly impossible. So many times I've entered

the

> miraculous power mindset and knew that was the way to my final

peace. Then

> my mind would really start reeling, with all the wonderful and

simple ways,

> with the help of my mind and my 'great knowledge' I could reach

it. It is an

> exhausting and silly path that one tires of eventually, as you

finally get

> that you are merely going down that same road again, and it ain't

gonna work.

>

> I'm not saying I'm liberated. But I do know I'm finally liberated

from going

> down that particular path again in my spiritual life. It was a

great

> temptation the last time but quickly ignored (yayyyy) as I get more

and more

> grounded here. I finally got to see the silliness of it all.

>

> Now if I could do that with my dieting once and for all. :-)

>

> xxxtg

Yeah, tg, I had a thing during meditation where when things got

really going and IT was right around the corner I got scared. Even

though I had left religion years before, The Devil was waiting for me

to completely commit and I had to decide. Of course deciding

postulated an immovable ego capable of deciding or not which ruined

the moment more than a little.

Once I saw it was silly the whole dream of the devil and fear just

went away. The mind submerged. That submergence every day is what I

call my few minutes with Ramana.

Love

Bobby G.

June 10, 2002

This sun is Love. We only love, that is it.

Play with concepts as you will, but when just a drop of This is

allowed to pass through your lips, you will find yourself speaking

differently, or perhaps simply falling silent in this Mystery.

LoveAlways,

b

Ah, that is the sweet nectar of it all...

And none should aver otherwise...

But anon

In the Greater Schema of the All...

Time passes...

Bugs hatch

Rust accumulates

Storms brew

Roofs find need of repair

The Divine Vehicle stumbles on its journey

Autos need fixing

And loved ones suffer

And children live and die in great misery

Neglected and alone

In darkness

Abused and battered...

And this is not part of the great Divine Love

That you taste from the nectar

It is the reason for your illumination

That you who might feel such love

Might turn your glowing lights away from the

Great Inner Journey

And discover the Great Outer Work

That cries Out to all of us for Blessed Repair...

Take that small thimble of Divine Nectar

And like Jesus with the miracle of the wine...

Or the loaves & fishes...

Multiply it then divide it up among those

Who suffer and have need of a few

Precious drops of love and kindess

And there

There shall you find

True perfection

Bliss without end.

Love

Blessings

Zenbob

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June 10, 2002

, zen2wrk@a... wrote:

Bugs hatch

Rust accumulates

Storms brew

Roofs find need of repair

The Divine Vehicle stumbles on its journey

Autos need fixing

And loved ones suffer

And children live and die in great misery

Neglected and alone

In darkness

Abused and battered...

And this is not part of the great Divine Love

That you taste from the nectar

.....Ah, Dear Z-bob --

we are always hearing that "It's All One", and perhaps even granting

a sort of grudging intellectual acceptance of that maxim, but the

experience of This is quite a bit different than the idea. there is

not "great Divine Love" and something else -- Divine Love, Which is

our own True Nature, is indivisble. it is only in our innocent

misunderstanding that we believe otherwise, and even that is a kind

of Play of this Love.

if there is only God, then there IS ONLY GOD, not God and something

else.

> And there

There shall you find

True perfection

Bliss without end.

.....to believe that the Perfection is "there" and not Now is exactly

what occludes the realization of "Bliss without end."

LoveAlways,

b

October 6, 2002

-

viorica weissman

RamanaMaharshi

Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:40 AM

Re: [RamanaMaharshi] (unknown)

and to whom are you talking? It is ALL SELF.....

p.s - friends , excuse me for my stupidities.

Viorica,

There is a nice phrase in the Lord's prayer:

Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who

trespass against us.

No doubt you mean well with your "request" to give the list

back to Ramana, and you have succeeded before in controlling

the list.

Since you have not minded getting specific

in the past, perhaps it would be better not to make such vague

accusations that everyone has to wonder who you mean.

Gloria

October 6, 2002

I have to say that I am disapointed in these postings.

My understanding of spiritual practice is to find ways to step past

the identifications and limits of our ego-'I' and I find this to be

like an "ego-storm."

Spiritual growth comes through letting go of ego-'i', not acting to

reinforce it.

My sense is that there is room for all, and not any need for

separation.

I would suggest that those who have these ego-reactions take the time

to be silent, and to reflect on who they really are, and to see if

such response to ego benefits in any way their sense of inner peace.

Is any of this what Ramana taught?

We are Not two,

Richard

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

>

> > Viorica,

> >

> > There is a nice phrase in the Lord's prayer:

> > Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who

> > trespass against us.

> >

> > No doubt you mean well with your "request" to give the list

> > back to Ramana, and you have succeeded before in controlling

> > the list.

>

> > Since you have not minded getting specific

> > in the past, perhaps it would be better not to make such vague

> > accusations that everyone has to wonder who you mean.

> >

> > Gloria

>

> Dear Gloria ,

>

> that was no vague accusation from my part.

>

> that you care for your friends I can understand.

>

> that because of past tensions on the list . as I read from

> your answer , you don't like me , I can understand either.

>

> I have a feeling that with or without what you called

> my past succeeding in controlling the list , many things

> that you perhaps might be sorry for them that they

> haven't succeeded on this list - would have failed.

>

> vicki

October 7, 2002

Dear V,

My path is not the Bhakti path, though love for the teacher(s) and

the teachings opens my heart, and deepens the inquiry.

I have heard Nome talk, though, of difficulties on the Bhakti path.

One common difficulty that I have heard him talk about is "incomplete

surrender." My understanding is that the Bhakti is to surrender ALL

to God. This includes one's ego and sense of personal identity. When

this is incomplete, then the Bhakti is still identified with (and

therefore "at the effect of") the ego-'I'.

When ego is surrendered with the understanding that all is God's,

then were is there room for the ups and downs that you describe?

>From Ramana's "Who am I?"

Paragraph 29

Firm and disciplined inherence in the Atman, without giving the least

scope for the rise of any thought other than the deep contemplative

thought of the Self, constitutes self-surrender to the Supreme Lord.

Let any amount of burden be laid on Him, He will bear it all. It is,

in fact, the indefinable power of the Lord that ordains, sustains,

and controls everything that happens. Why then should we worry,

tormented by vexatious thoughts, saying: "Shall we act this way? No,

that way," instead of meekly but happily submitting to that Power?

Knowing that the train carries all the weight, why indeed should we,

the passengers traveling in it, carry our small individual articles

of luggage on our laps to our great discomfort, instead of putting

them aside and sitting at perfect ease?

--------------------------------

Please take these words as encouragement for you to deepen your

surrender, and not in any other way.

We are Not two,

Richard

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

>

> Dear Richard ,

>

> > I have to say that I am disapointed in these postings.

> >

>

> I am sure dissapointments are part of the path.

>

> You know what happens on a bhakti path ?

>

> Two days you believe something is white , then the wind blows

> and it reveals another aspect and you notice it was yellow

> but you made it white.

>

> At the beginning it maybe dissapointing , but if you want to see

things

> as they are you have to let the wind blow and keep revealing to you.

>

> Dissapointments matter no longer when you want truth only.

>

> vicki

>

> > My understanding of spiritual practice is to find ways to step

past

> > the identifications and limits of our ego-'I' and I find this to

be

> > like an "ego-storm."

>

> Nothing depends on me or my "ego-I".

> Our ego-storms are part of the path and a sign of its

weakening

> and diminishing . Will your ego definitely subside withoute

a storm

> ?

> You can't control it . When you think it's advancing

smoothly on the

> path,

> oh ..uh.. here it jumps again in a more subtle rafinate

delicate

> spiritual

> form in a good case. the bad case would be the surprise to

its owner

> to realize an 'ugly' and undesired attachement - to material

> possesion,

> fame , sexuality, flattery ...

>

> Ego's intelligence in not subsiding is much stronger than

the control

> you think you have over it.

>

> There is no other way but to 'offer' it and acknowledge the

> incapacity.

> Then what happens after the offering is not in our hands

anymore.

>

> >

> > Spiritual growth comes through letting go of ego-'i', not acting

to

> > reinforce it.

> >

> > My sense is that there is room for all, and not any need for

> > separation.

> >

> > I would suggest that those who have these ego-reactions take the

time

> > to be silent, and to reflect on who they really are, and to see if

> > such response to ego benefits in any way their sense of inner

peace.

>

> If two people and members of this list want to clarify

something

> that

> stands between them , I think they have the right to do so.

> Where there is room for everything , there is room for

Gloria's

> dialog

> and mine also.

>

> >

> > Is any of this what Ramana taught?

> >

> > We are Not two,

> > Richard

> >

October 7, 2002

--- viorica weissman <viorica wrote:

I heartily endorse Viorica's letter to Richard .They are my own sentiments

-ultimately

Ramana's Teaching is the only certain guide .Viorica writes beautiful letters -

it would be a

great loss if she ceased enriching this site - we need her wisdom . Alan

<HR>

<tt>

Dear Richard ,

all encouragement I need I take from Ramana Maharshi.

as about the theory of the bhakti path ,how complete or

incomplete one's surrender is , I am not going

to develop it . Being on this path all theory about it

I find it to be terribly boring.

The wind blew again for me last week and revealed

to me in all its fullness the meaning of 'blind

leading the blind'.

We , as we are gathered in this group , came all to

the Maharshi .

If we keep that in mind that we are all actually guests

in his house , then the link that binds us together

comes from God himself.

He is for sure the Guide ,the Master , the source of all

our encouragement.

If we forget we are the guests in his house , then we are the blind

leading the blind.

This is why we are here. At least this is why I am here.

Because the name of this list is

Ramana Maharshi and he bound me so strongly to some of his

devotees that although not only once I wanted to give this list

up I found it impossible to leave those few true and beloved

friends on the path that I found here .

Would they leave and start a new list altogether

I would follow gladly as to me the list as it is now

it is too trodded.

I have no wish to control but to leave it but I can't leave

those few.

And my Guide and Master and encouragement and comfort

is Ramana Maharshi and no other.

v

> Dear V,

>

> My path is not the Bhakti path, though love for the teacher(s) and

> the teachings opens my heart, and deepens the inquiry.

>

> I have heard Nome talk, though, of difficulties on the Bhakti path.

> One common difficulty that I have heard him talk about

is "incomplete

> surrender." My understanding is that the Bhakti is to surrender ALL

> to God. This includes one's ego and sense of personal identity.

When

> this is incomplete, then the Bhakti is still identified with (and

> therefore "at the effect of") the ego-'I'.

>

> When ego is surrendered with the understanding that all is God's,

> then were is there room for the ups and downs that you describe?

>

> From Ramana's "Who am I?"

>

> Paragraph 29

> Firm and disciplined inherence in the Atman, without giving the

least

> scope for the rise of any thought other than the deep contemplative

> thought of the Self, constitutes self-surrender to the Supreme

Lord.

> Let any amount of burden be laid on Him, He will bear it all. It

is,

> in fact, the indefinable power of the Lord that ordains, sustains,

> and controls everything that happens. Why then should we worry,

> tormented by vexatious thoughts, saying: "Shall we act this way?

No,

> that way," instead of meekly but happily submitting to that Power?

> Knowing that the train carries all the weight, why indeed should

we,

> the passengers traveling in it, carry our small individual articles

> of luggage on our laps to our great discomfort, instead of putting

> them aside and sitting at perfect ease?

>

> --------------------------------

>

> Please take these words as encouragement for you to deepen your

> surrender, and not in any other way.

>

> We are Not two,

> Richard

>

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Dear v,

Again I offer the words of Ramana: