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In a message dated 3/6/99 10:37:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fewtch

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<< Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

 

Distinctions

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There is such a strong apparent need or tendency with human beings to

identify with a particular religion, or group, or ethnicity, or

nationality. Such a need of course stems from the ego, but it is the root

cause of all divisiveness among human beings, all wars and conflicts. It

turns this world of ours into a nightmare.

 

"I am an American. I am a Jew. I am a Christian. I am a Muslim. I am

Indian. I am Greek. I am Laotian. I am Chinese. I am black. I am

white. I am asian. I am a Buddhist. I am a Vedantist. I am a man. I am

a woman. I am this, and I am that."

 

When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond

those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever

happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth.

 

Tim

>>

 

That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll knock

your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot.

 

Rick

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Distinctions

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There is such a strong apparent need or tendency with human beings to

identify with a particular religion, or group, or ethnicity, or

nationality. Such a need of course stems from the ego, but it is the root

cause of all divisiveness among human beings, all wars and conflicts. It

turns this world of ours into a nightmare.

 

"I am an American. I am a Jew. I am a Christian. I am a Muslim. I am

Indian. I am Greek. I am Laotian. I am Chinese. I am black. I am

white. I am asian. I am a Buddhist. I am a Vedantist. I am a man. I am

a woman. I am this, and I am that."

 

When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond

those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever

happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth.

 

Tim

 

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On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:29:05 EST Fourmo3297 writes:

>Fourmo3297

>

>In a message dated 3/6/99 10:37:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>fewtch

>writes:

>

><< Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

>

> Distinctions

> ------------

>

> There is such a strong apparent need or tendency with human beings

>to

> identify with a particular religion, or group, or ethnicity, or

> nationality. Such a need of course stems from the ego, but it is the

>root

> cause of all divisiveness among human beings, all wars and conflicts.

> It

> turns this world of ours into a nightmare.

>

> "I am an American. I am a Jew. I am a Christian. I am a Muslim. I

>am

> Indian. I am Greek. I am Laotian. I am Chinese. I am black. I

>am

> white. I am asian. I am a Buddhist. I am a Vedantist. I am a man.

> I am

> a woman. I am this, and I am that."

>

> When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off

>beyond

> those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if

>it ever

> happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth.

>

> Tim

> >>

>

>That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll

>knock

>your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot.

>

Me too, especially over

some rice or egg noodles

and topped with some

parmesan cheese -- yum!!

It doesn't even upset

your stomach like pizza.

It's not peace on earth,

but it's a little piece

of heaven. :-)

 

Bruce

Pushing 50 so hard he's 51

 

 

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At 02:37 AM 3/7/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Me too, especially over some rice or egg noodles

>and topped with some parmesan cheese -- yum!!

>It doesn't even upset your stomach like pizza.

>It's not peace on earth, but it's a little piece

>of heaven. :-)

>

>Bruce

>Pushing 50 so hard he's 51

 

Heheheh.. I had imagined you to be between 40 and 45 years old, Bruce.

Funny how these ideas appear in the mind and are so often wrong.

 

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At 02:29 AM 3/7/99 EST, you wrote:

>That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll knock

>your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot.

 

He also identifies himself as a "sailor man," though. Thus, he is a

dualist <g>.

 

I'm popeye the Eternal man,

I'm popeye the Eternal man,

I'm strong in my fusions,

'cause I eat me illusions,

I'm popeye the Eternal Man.

 

Tim

 

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In a message dated 3/6/99 11:36:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, editor

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<

>That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll

>knock

>your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot.

>

Me too, especially over

some rice or egg noodles

and topped with some

parmesan cheese -- yum!!

It doesn't even upset

your stomach like pizza.

It's not peace on earth,

but it's a little piece

of heaven. :-)

 

Bruce

Pushing 50 so hard he's 51

>>

 

I'll have to try the spinach over egg noodles. Sounds great.

 

Rick

Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?)

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On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Tim Gerchmez wrote:

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> When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond

> those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever

> happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth.

 

get rid of i and there is only am.

 

get rid of am, and there is....

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> Bruce

> Pushing 50 so hard he's 51

>

>Rick

>Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?)

 

After my mother's 40th birthday, she started counting the other direction.

Trouble was, she lived to be -12.

It's called Dharma's Mom's Method:

counting down to nonduality

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> > When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond

> > those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever

> > happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth.

>

> get rid of i and there is only am.

>

> get rid of am, and there is....

>

 

your true glorious nature

 

Regards.

 

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On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:50:08 -0600 Dharma <fisher1 writes:

>Dharma <fisher1

>

>

>> Bruce

>> Pushing 50 so hard he's 51

>>

>>Rick

>>Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?)

>

>After my mother's 40th birthday, she started counting the other

>direction.

>Trouble was, she lived to be -12.

>It's called Dharma's Mom's Method:

>counting down to nonduality

>

The Good Wife[tm] will celebrate

her 17th consecutive 29th

birthday this summer.

 

 

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At 02:34 PM 3/7/99 -0600, you wrote:

>"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01

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>get rid of i and there is only am.

>

>get rid of am, and there is....

>

 

The sound of One hand... clapping...

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At 02:34 PM 3/7/99 -0600, you wrote:

>"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01

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>On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Tim Gerchmez wrote:

>>

>> When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond

>> those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever

>> happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth.

>

>get rid of i and there is only am.

>get rid of am, and there is....

 

The "emptiness" espoused in Buddhism? :-)

 

For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally

unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of

nonexistence?

 

 

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Hi Tim,

 

>>"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01

>>

>>get rid of i and there is only am.

>>get rid of am, and there is....

>

>The "emptiness" espoused in Buddhism? :-)

>

>For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally

>unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of

>nonexistence?

 

It isn't nonexistence. :)

 

Dharma

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>>> Bruce

>>> Pushing 50 so hard he's 51

>>>

>>>Rick

>>>Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?)

>>

>>After my mother's 40th birthday, she started counting the other

>>direction.

>>Trouble was, she lived to be -12.

>>It's called Dharma's Mom's Method:

>>counting down to nonduality

>>

>Bruce:

>The Good Wife[tm] will celebrate

>her 17th consecutive 29th

>birthday this summer.

 

Well, it wouldn't be my choice! On my 29th birthday I was so depressed a

professor stopped me after class to ask what was wrong. I said, "I'm 29

today." He started to laugh.. when he could get hold of himself, he said,

"Let me tell you something. You will never feel so old again." And he was

right! :)

 

Love,

Dharma

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At 11:57 PM 3/7/99 -0600, you wrote:

>>For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally

>>unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of

>>nonexistence?

>

>It isn't nonexistence. :)

 

Consciousness is existence. Lack of Consciousness is nonexistence. Life

is Eternally Conscious. The Consciousness in Me is the Consciousness in

the bird outside my window, in the cockroach crawling in someone's

basement, in the snail in someone's garden. Life is Energy. I AM that

Energy.

 

I admit, I'm not a Buddhist, and don't have full understanding of the

philosophies. Rather, I'm a "Self-ist" and thus only understand what my

senses and perceptions tell me. I've given up on thought being able to

tell me anything worth knowing. Only perception makes much sense. Your

words (and those of others) make little sense to me, if they require

analysis. Only my own words make sense to me. And sometimes even those

don't make any sense to me.

 

Tim

 

 

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Ahh, Tim G., my friend,

 

I have depended on perceptions and my senses all of my life

and they have kept me in a sleep mode. I am beginning to

realize that these are not always dependable and that I am

better off to question these.

 

I admire the fact that you are exploring these issues at

such an early point in your life.

 

If you don't mind a suggestion from a real beginner like

myself, I would offer that you would be better served to be

open to all that you read and not spend energy resisting and

holding on to what your senses and perceptions tell you are

the truths.

 

At the same time I say this, I give you a hug and marvel

that a young man like yourself is so invested in this

exploration.

 

Love,

Judy

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On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Dharma wrote:

> >

> >For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally

> >unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of

> >nonexistence?

>

> It isn't nonexistence. :)

 

nope it aint. as the PrajnaParamaitaHrydaya sutra sez: (heart of perfect

wisdom)

 

form is sunyata and sunyata is form.

 

--jt

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>form is sunyata and sunyata is form.

 

Thank you.

 

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At 08:13 AM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Judy Walden <judyw

>

>Ahh, Tim G., my friend,

>

>I have depended on perceptions and my senses all of my life

>and they have kept me in a sleep mode. I am beginning to

>realize that these are not always dependable and that I am

>better off to question these.

 

So what DO you depend on? The intellect? It is precisely that which will

ultimately get you nowhere in nondual spirituality. Do you think people

Realize samadhi through thinking about it?

 

It is the intellect that should be questioned, not Perception. One should

remain open-minded but not gullible as far as intellect goes, otherwise

keep the mind quiet and centered. As for Perception/senses, they are the

stuff of life, and should never be "questioned" by the intellect, for to do

so destroys the spontaneity of the NOW. A return to a "childlike" state is

what many (most) of us are seeking here.

>I admire the fact that you are exploring these issues at

>such an early point in your life.

 

Nice of you, but admiration is a thing of the ego and thus is of little

interest to me. My "life story" is very unusual, and that's really the

only reason why I believe I've been led to nonduality at such an "early age."

>myself, I would offer that you would be better served to be

>If you don't mind a suggestion from a real beginner like

>that you read and not spend energy resisting

 

Thank you, but I spend no energy resisting anything. There's nothing there

to resist, other than what is foolishly perceived by ego to be truth.

>At the same time I say this, I give you a hug and marvel

>that a young man like yourself is so invested in this

>exploration.

 

Grace led me to the point in my life I'm at now. Grace, and necessity.

All other paths were utterly exhausted.

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

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Hi Tim G.

 

I am such a novice that there anything I have to say is

really open to question.

 

I am realizing that I trusted my perceptions and reactions

without ever questioning them. What I didn't realize was

that there are many levels of perception. So now, when my

ego gets all threatened (and by the way it is alive and

kicking), this is a clue to me that I need to look in a more

expanded way. My reactions are like an alarm on a clock,

signaling me that my perceptions need examining.

Frequently, I am very resistant to doing this but when I can

it sure makes a difference.

 

I think I may have offended you by saying I admire you.

Maybe I was wishing that like you, I had started earlier in

life with this exploration.

 

I may be reading the tone of your last post incorrectly.

I have great respect for the struggles that you have alluded

to experiencing and the strides that you have made. Your

ego may need no praise from me, as you mentioned. Guess, I

am just the type of person who feels things pretty intensely

and I am frequently impulsive in expressing feelings.

 

Love,

Judy

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>>Bruce:

>>The Good Wife[tm] will celebrate

>>her 17th consecutive 29th

>>birthday this summer.

 

Dharma:

>Well, it wouldn't be my choice! On my 29th birthday I was so depressed a

>professor stopped me after class to ask what was wrong. I said, "I'm 29

>today." He started to laugh.. when he could get hold of himself, he said,

>"Let me tell you something. You will never feel so old again." And he was

>right! :)

>

>Love,

>Dharma

 

This really made me laugh. I *hated* being twenty nine - I felt ancient.

I was really depressed also. I decided to go back to college and have two

more babies (I already had two). I sat my first year exams 8 and a half

months pregnant, and my second year exams 7 months pregnant!!!

Everybody thought I was crazy.

 

Now, I am 39. It doesn't bother me in the least. People keep telling me I am

young, and I feel younger than I did at 29. :-)

 

Love, Gill

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At 02:29 PM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Judy Walden <judyw

> Guess, I am just the type of person who feels things pretty intensely

>and I am frequently impulsive in expressing feelings.

>

>Love,

>Judy

 

 

Hi Judy

 

J.C. said... until we become as 'little children'... or something similar.

 

One aspect of children... before we become 'browbeaten' adults is...

impulsive expression of feelings.

 

All 'paths' lead from 'there' to here, have no fear...

cultivate... 'the child like'... it helps us 'hear'.

 

 

( /\ )

 

sam

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