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madhya nandi [madhya]

Monday, February 22, 1999 2:18 AM

Re: To Ashram or not to Ashram redux

 

madhya nandi <madhya

 

Jan--

 

 

I feel uncomfortable with your addendum. First of all, this is

hearsay--not that I know anything about the actual matter. But what

about what you have presented should encourage me to believe it? Or,

even take it seriously?

 

Also, Jan, come on, guilt by association?

 

Madhya

 

Harsha: Madhya, I am very comfortable with Jan's addendum. Jan is wise and

sees clearly and objectively. This topic has been discussed before on the

original K-list. The fact is that fraud and exploitations are quite common

in religion (all religions). Well known gurus are no exception to this rule,

although no doubt there are genuine spiritual personalities as well in all

faiths. Most gurus are themselves spiritual aspirants and some are novices

and many are simply confused. They are bound to make mistakes. The Ultimate

and the Only True Guru is God or the Self (however you conceptualize that).

Great Sages such as Ramana Maharshi point it out clearly.

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Regarding the matter of the 'addendum'

 

A great deal of irresponsible reporting takes place when one simply

states that this or that thing occurred without making reference to

the source for the claims that one is making. And, while accusations

fly fast and furious oftentimes, an individual is innocent until

proven guilty. Quite often, the innocent are damaged simply because

someone associates that person's name with an alleged abuse.

Assuming that any given reader has 'heard about this case' does not

meet the claimant's obligation to impart the relevant facts in the

case.

 

The fact that abuses take place in any context--certainly including

religious and/or spiritual organizations is accurate. However, to

use an example of such an occurrence--an unverified example that is,

in legal terms, 'alleged' or simply hearsay--to condemn the very idea

that Teachers are important, necessary, desirable or otherwise

instrumental to many persons spiritual path is irresponsible. One

cannot argue against religious traditions by claiming that this or

that representative of the tradition is a bad example of what that

institution may claim to represent.

 

How reasonable is the argument the entire guru/teacher system is evil

because a particular guru/teacher is judged to be evil.

 

I do not object to someone expressing their viewpoint. But one ought

to be responsible for the claims that one is making and present them

in a reasonable and consistent manner.

 

 

Madhya

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