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I would also like to add that I started backwards, which had its

benifits. Rather than knowint about kundalini and the Self realization, then

striving for it, I started meditating, not knowing a thing about what to

expect...imagine my joy and shock when I finally acquired a great deal of

information, and there was a word and definition and rational for each

experience that I had! In this sense I was very fortunate, and have no

reservations about my experiences...truly a blessing...

Love and Light

Marcus

 

LeTeegee <LeTeegee

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Sunday, February 14, 1999 2:19 AM

Duelin' Nondualisms

 

>LeTeegee

>

>In a message dated 2/13/99 1:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>madhya (AT) mail (DOT) aracnet.com writes:

>

><< How does the path that one seeks influence the possible experiences

> one may have in the course of seeking? If one follows a Buddhist

> path, will one's experiences confirm the mystical beliefs of that

> system?

>

>To a certain extent, I would think so. You say...:

>

><For example, some Zen masters may teach a student that if

> they experience certain unusual sensations that they should observe

> these experiences, but not engage them. This will ultimately lead to

> success in attaining Nirvana.

>

>As a hypnotherapist, in the majority of cases, I can give you *suggestions*

to

>what will occur in a situation, and it will. 75% of the sale of a

hypnosis

>session is given prior to the hypnosis.

>

>I mention this because our paths are full of suggestions to what may occur,

>whether coming from a teacher or a book. I know I've never 'spoken in

>tongues', yet Christians do this all the time.

>

>

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In a message dated 2/13/99 1:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

madhya (AT) mail (DOT) aracnet.com writes:

 

<< How does the path that one seeks influence the possible experiences

one may have in the course of seeking? If one follows a Buddhist

path, will one's experiences confirm the mystical beliefs of that

system?

 

To a certain extent, I would think so. You say...:

 

<For example, some Zen masters may teach a student that if

they experience certain unusual sensations that they should observe

these experiences, but not engage them. This will ultimately lead to

success in attaining Nirvana.

 

As a hypnotherapist, in the majority of cases, I can give you *suggestions* to

what will occur in a situation, and it will. 75% of the sale of a hypnosis

session is given prior to the hypnosis.

 

I mention this because our paths are full of suggestions to what may occur,

whether coming from a teacher or a book. I know I've never 'spoken in

tongues', yet Christians do this all the time.

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> Madhya Nandi <madhya (AT) mail (DOT) aracnet.com>

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> Friends;

>

> Recently, there has occurred some discussion about Shaivite

> non-dualism and Vedantin non-dualism. Eastern spiritual traditions

> and mystical traditions generally, cultivate 'unity' experiences of

> one form or another.

>

> How does the path that one seeks influence the possible experiences

> one may have in the course of seeking? If one follows a Buddhist

> path, will one's experiences confirm the mystical beliefs of that

> system?

 

In my case, it was rather the opposite as I wasn't a seeker and didn't have

any knowledge about spiritual life. It was destiny that made me give up the

"will to live and enjoy", resulting in recognition of "something" and this

led to a radical change of life. Eight months later, when the "raging fires"

had subsided, I was able to verify the "part of the road traveled" and to my

astonishment I could recognize literature from many disciplines. So I never

became a scholar but only verified my knowledge regarding the end (from my

perspective) of the journey.

 

As my "spontaneous sadhana" took less time then is required to study Vedanta

or the Buddhist sutras, I consider it a blessing to have been "illiterate"

regarding paths, systems, religions and Kundalini. It would have made me

compare experiences with the "norm" of the path, possibly leading to debates

and disagreements or fear of "doing it wrong", all resulting in adverse

conditions and more conditioning. As an analogy, I see paths, methods etc.

as an antidote to the damage wrought by personality-based society. Many

antidotes are poisonous themselves when taken in excess :)

 

Jan

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At 07:23 PM 2/13/99 -0000, you wrote:

>"Gemini" <currwamp

>

>Very nice poem. With your permission, I would like to share this with

>friends. As for this line below....very true...the enlightened guru tells us

>that they are but a rudder--the voyage is ultimately ours alone.

>Love

>Marcus

>

 

Whatever you wish...

 

sam

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