Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 1999 > Hello Jerry and Dirk, > > It occurs to me that "not this, not this" is with us for most of the > journey. What I mean is that in the very beginning one starts to move > beyond our earliest childhood teachings by recognizing the 'not this' of > many of the explanations of life and it's meaning as given to us > by parents, > school and church. With great relief and joy we move into the > knowing that > we are not our physical bodies, we are not our careers, we are not simply > parents, lovers etc. How easily at that stage we can proclaim we > 'are this' > meaning a soul, a god, a guru, a spirit - then it appears that we > fall from > that plateau into our fears, shortcomings, ego realizations and once again > we have to proclaim 'not this, not this'. I suspect that when the > final goal > is reached it will be truly 'not this, not this' as it will > perhaps be well > beyond anything that our human consciousness could have labeled as 'this'. > > Namaste, > Linda Jan: Although one's real nature cannot be described, once it is recognized (enlightenment) this isn't the end of the road; a process will start, integrating mind and body. One of the first stages is what is called union of Shiva and Shakti, mystical union, union with God, nirvana (with substratum) etc. After that, the "final" stage is Turiya, where the "Indescribable" is the only state and nothing else can be "experienced". This amounts to living "in" a body that is physically rather different as for instance the states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep are no longer present. Enlightenment is the philosopher's stone, being able to transmute base metals into gold. So this process is described in Rosicrucian literature as transmutation (culminating in the alchemical wedding) and after that it is transfiguration. It will be obvious that the transformation from a "standard" human body into one, no longer being subjected to things like sleep and the urge to breathe, takes a lot of energy so only a few will "get there". It will be obvious too that the entire road doesn't have to be traveled; one is considered to be "ever free" when transfiguration starts. Jan Dear Jan: I have understood Turiya to be the 4th stage of consciousness - the point when Siva and Sakti merge and the 'indescribable' state to be that of final merger beyond the state of Turiya. In your opinion is Turiya the final stage? Linda Harsha: Do they not say that Turiya is Turiyatitta? The fourth stage that transcends the fourth. The Final state that transcends the Final state. Turiya is Turiyatitta. ------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 1999 Linda wrote: > > Hello Jerry and Dirk, > > > > It occurs to me that "not this, not this" is with us for most of the > > journey. What I mean is that in the very beginning one starts to move > > beyond our earliest childhood teachings by recognizing the 'not this' of > > many of the explanations of life and it's meaning as given to us > > by parents, > > school and church. With great relief and joy we move into the > > knowing that > > we are not our physical bodies, we are not our careers, we are not simply > > parents, lovers etc. How easily at that stage we can proclaim we > > 'are this' > > meaning a soul, a god, a guru, a spirit - then it appears that we > > fall from > > that plateau into our fears, shortcomings, ego realizations and once again > > we have to proclaim 'not this, not this'. I suspect that when the > > final goal > > is reached it will be truly 'not this, not this' as it will > > perhaps be well > > beyond anything that our human consciousness could have labeled as 'this'. > > > > Namaste, > > Linda Jan wrote: > Although one's real nature cannot be described, once it is recognized > (enlightenment) this isn't the end of the road; a process will start, > integrating mind and body. One of the first stages is what is called union > of Shiva and Shakti, mystical union, union with God, nirvana (with > substratum) etc. After that, the "final" stage is Turiya, where the > "Indescribable" is the only state and nothing else can be "experienced". > This amounts to living "in" a body that is physically rather different as > for instance the states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep are no longer > present. > Enlightenment is the philosopher's stone, being able to transmute base > metals into gold. So this process is described in Rosicrucian literature as > transmutation (culminating in the alchemical wedding) and after that it is > transfiguration. It will be obvious that the transformation from a > "standard" human body into one, no longer being subjected to things like > sleep and the urge to breathe, takes a lot of energy so only a few will "get > there". It will be obvious too that the entire road doesn't have to be > traveled; one is considered to be "ever free" when transfiguration starts. > Linda wrote: > Dear Jan: > > I have understood Turiya to be the 4th stage of consciousness - the point > when Siva and Sakti merge and the 'indescribable' state to be that of final > merger beyond the state of Turiya. In your opinion is Turiya the final > stage? > Linda > Harsha wrote: >Do they not say that Turiya is Turiyatitta? The fourth stage that > transcends the fourth. The Final state that transcends the Final state. > Turiya is Turiyatitta. If I may add my own confessional amendment, I can see Turiya as full awareness of the I AM, and unceasing residence there. And Turiyatitta I can see as the further perfection of Turiya, where the I AM merges with the Absolute. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
