Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 OM NAMAH SIVAYA Swamiji didn't say Ram couldn't have enlightened everyone if He was with Sita. how could worldly(external/temporal) circumstances have stopped Ram, when God is internal/eternal? God can't possibly be contingent on any worldly circumstances. wasn't Ram just following His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? JAI MAA , eric capa <sunsals108 wrote: > > Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > gabilu27 <gabilu27 wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram, > I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling with > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji several > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for His > input. > > Jai Maa, > Gauri > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa, > > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's bliss > to be in your presense. > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. I > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has been > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is so > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > down. > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > Tejo Ram > > San Diego > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > low rates. > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 and he and Sita lived happily ever after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > gabilu27 <gabilu27 wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram,> I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling with > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji several > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for His > input.> > Jai Maa,> Gauri> > --- In , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> >> > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa,> > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's bliss > to be in your presense. > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. I > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has been > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is so > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > down. > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > Tejo Ram> > San Diego> > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > low rates.> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 well, Romance, is a good thing. Start Romancing the Beloved and expect the unexpected. As Yogananda's Guru says "God is ever-new joy .... He is seductive beyond thought of competition". Jai Ma! , eric capa <sunsals108 wrote: > > well, like I said, I'm not that enlightened or advanced and like the hollywood endings. Guess I'm a hopeless romantic. > > ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > Swamiji didn't say Ram couldn't have enlightened everyone if He was > with Sita. how could worldly(external/temporal) circumstances have > stopped Ram, when God is internal/eternal? God can't possibly be > contingent on any worldly circumstances. wasn't Ram just following > His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? > > JAI MAA > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way > I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have > just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever > after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > > > gabilu27 <gabilu27@> wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram, > > I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling > with > > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji > several > > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for > His > > input. > > > > Jai Maa, > > Gauri > > > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa, > > > > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's > bliss > > to be in your presense. > > > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. > I > > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has > been > > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is > so > > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > > down. > > > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > > > Tejo Ram > > > San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > low rates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 , eric capa <sunsals108 wrote: > > well, like I said, I'm not that enlightened or advanced and like the hollywood endings. Guess I'm a hopeless romantic. "Hope-full" romantic, Ericji! :<) > > ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > Swamiji didn't say Ram couldn't have enlightened everyone if He was > with Sita. how could worldly(external/temporal) circumstances have > stopped Ram, when God is internal/eternal? God can't possibly be > contingent on any worldly circumstances. wasn't Ram just following > His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? > > JAI MAA > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way > I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have > just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever > after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > > > gabilu27 <gabilu27@> wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram, > > I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling > with > > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji > several > > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for > His > > input. > > > > Jai Maa, > > Gauri > > > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa, > > > > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's > bliss > > to be in your presense. > > > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. > I > > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has > been > > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is > so > > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > > down. > > > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > > > Tejo Ram > > > San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > low rates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 i'm not enlightened, nor very advanced(though sometimes hopeless and i also like romantic, happy endings. my point was simply that i think being married doesn't affect our chances of becoming advanced or enlightened. there are many examples of enlightened souls, even saints being married. for example, Ramakrishna. so i guess what i am saying is i am going to hold on to the romantic happy ending as i don't believe it is an either/or situation. if i can Love my wife Totally as God, She could very well be the One to show me God. -eric , eric capa <sunsals108 wrote: > > well, like I said, I'm not that enlightened or advanced and like the hollywood endings. Guess I'm a hopeless romantic. > > ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us wrote: OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > Swamiji didn't say Ram couldn't have enlightened everyone if He was > with Sita. how could worldly(external/temporal) circumstances have > stopped Ram, when God is internal/eternal? God can't possibly be > contingent on any worldly circumstances. wasn't Ram just following > His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? > > JAI MAA > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way > I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have > just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever > after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > > > gabilu27 <gabilu27@> wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram, > > I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling > with > > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji > several > > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for > His > > input. > > > > Jai Maa, > > Gauri > > > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa, > > > > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's > bliss > > to be in your presense. > > > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. > I > > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has > been > > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is > so > > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > > down. > > > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > > > Tejo Ram > > > San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > low rates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 MAA > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> >> > Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way > I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have > just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever > after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > > > gabilu27 <gabilu27@> wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram,> > I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling > with > > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji > several > > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for > His > > input.> > > > Jai Maa,> > Gauri> > > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa,> > > > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's > bliss > > to be in your presense. > > > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. > I > > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has > been > > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is > so > > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > > down. > > > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > > > Tejo Ram> > > San Diego> > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > low rates.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > > > > Your use of Groups is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.> Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Posted April 11, 2006 circumstances. wasn't Ram just following > His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? > > JAI MAA > > --- In , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> >> > Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way > I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have > just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever > after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > > > gabilu27 <gabilu27@> wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram,> > I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling > with > > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji > several > > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for > His > > input.> > > > Jai Maa,> > Gauri> > > > , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa,> > > > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's > bliss > > to be in your presense. > > > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. > I > > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has > been > > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is > so > > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > > down. > > > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > > > Tejo Ram> > > San Diego> > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > > low rates.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms ofService. > > > > > > > > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.> Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Posted April 17, 2006 God is internal/eternal? God can't possibly be contingent on any worldly circumstances. wasn't Ram just following His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? JAI MAA --- In , eric capa <sunsals108 wrote:>> Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > gabilu27 <gabilu27 wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram,> I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling with > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji several > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for His > input.> > Jai Maa,> Gauri> > --- In , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> >> > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa,> > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's bliss > to be in your presense. > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. I > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has been > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is so > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > down. > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > Tejo Ram> > San Diego> > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > low rates.> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> html banner|**| --> Visit your group "" on the web. To from this group, send an email to: Your use of is subject to the Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Posted April 17, 2006 MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">OM NAMAH SIVAYASwamiji didn't say Ram couldn't have enlightened everyone if He was with Sita. how could worldly(external/temporal) circumstances have stopped Ram, when God is internal/eternal? God can't possibly be contingent on any worldly circumstances. wasn't Ram just following His dharma? can't greatness/sacrifice(like God) take many forms? JAI MAA , eric capa <sunsals108 wrote:>> Thanks. I think he's answer was very helpful. Maybe not the way I would have liked it to end. Personally, I wish Ram could have just enlightened his people and he and Sita lived happily ever after, but for some reason I feel better after Swamajii's reply. > > gabilu27 <gabilu27 wrote: Namaste Tejo Ram,> I'm glad you asked this question because I have been struggling with > this, too. I have sang the Sundar Kand with Maa and Swamiji several > times, but I didn't know the full story of the Ramayana (i.e. the > ending). When a friend told me about it, I was very confused. I > had meant to ask Swamiji about it, too, so I will be waiting for His > input.> > Jai Maa,> Gauri> > --- In , eric capa <sunsals108@> wrote:> >> > Dear Swamajii and Shree Maa,> > > > Jai! too you both. Thank you so much for the last two > weekends! It was so wonderful to finally meet you both and have > Shree Maa's darshan! after four years! I wish I could spend every > Saturday singing bhajans with you and recieving Shree Maa's > Darshan !! Both your energies are so sweet and wonderful! It's bliss > to be in your presense. > > > > Swamjii, I have had a question though regarding the Ramayana. I > don't understand why Ram does not take Sita back after she has been > rescued and then even after proving her fidelity to Ram. I was > really hoping for a happy ending there!! Maybe I'm a hopeless > romantic, but it just seems like such a let down. There love is so > celebrated and if Ram is so exempleary, why does he not take her > back? How can he even doubt her? It seems so sad and a real let > down. > > > > Love and Pranams to you and Shree Ma! JAI !!!!! > > > > Tejo Ram> > San Diego> > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously > low rates.> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> Visit your group "" on the web. To from this group, send an email to: Your use of is subject to the Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote
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