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Every question is sacred...

However hateful, however small...

Only when there is a question...

Spoken or unspoken...

There is need for union...

In the body or in the mind...

Only when there is a need...

Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...

 

Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...

 

 

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Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term

loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching

kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but

didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can

have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who

has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most

grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of

being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very

unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going

into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes

into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it

only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the

world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one

experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the

time.

 

Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have

experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it

without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many

Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru

has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me,

it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are

'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru

in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any

disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and

didn't penetrate.

 

Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru

block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning

not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer

in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on

this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if

they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much.

 

So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to

answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room

because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a

weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from

their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another

devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either

bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave

the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the

title, I read this.

 

Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly

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when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for

union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will

wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle

banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi

Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To

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I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi

several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a

variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not

nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or

an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state

according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I

obviously haven't experienced that state

I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that

if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever

changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger.

Pranams,

Arjuna

Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote:

Nandu,

 

Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term

loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching

kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but

didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can

have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who

has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most

grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of

being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very

unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going

into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes

into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it

only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the

world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one

experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the

time.

 

Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have

experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it

without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many

Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru

has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me,

it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are

'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru

in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any

disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and

didn't penetrate.

 

Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru

block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning

not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer

in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on

this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if

they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much.

 

So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to

answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room

because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a

weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from

their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another

devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either

bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave

the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the

title, I read this.

 

Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly

nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote:

?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only

when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for

union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will

wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle

banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi

Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To

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Words, words, words. Can somebody pass me the pipe?

-

Arjuna

Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:47 PM

Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note...

Namaste Kellyji,

I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi

several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a

variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not

nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or

an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state

according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I

obviously haven't experienced that state

I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that

if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever

changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger.

Pranams,

Arjuna

Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote:

Nandu,

Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term

loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching

kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but

didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can

have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who

has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most

grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of

being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very

unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going

into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes

into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it

only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the

world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one

experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the

time.

Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have

experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it

without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many

Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru

has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me,

it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are

'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru

in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any

disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and

didn't penetrate.

Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru

block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning

not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer

in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on

this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if

they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much.

So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to

answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room

because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a

weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from

their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another

devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either

bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave

the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the

title, I read this.

Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly

nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote:

?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only

when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for

union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will

wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle

banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi

Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To

from this group, send an email

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is subject to the

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As I understand it , Ramakrishna said that you could reach these

states and choose to return to the body.

Ardis

Arjuna <arjunaacharya >

Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:47:50 -0800 (PST)

Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note...

Namaste Kellyji,

I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi

several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a

variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not

nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or

an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state

according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I

obviously haven't experienced that state

I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that

if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever

changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger.

Pranams,

Arjuna

Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote:

Nandu,

Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term

loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching

kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but

didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can

have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who

has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most

grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of

being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very

unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going

into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes

into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it

only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the

world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one

experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the

time.

Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have

experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it

without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many

Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru

has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me,

it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are

'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru

in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any

disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and

didn't penetrate.

Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru

block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning

not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer

in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on

this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if

they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much.

So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to

answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room

because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a

weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from

their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another

devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either

bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave

the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the

title, I read this.

Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,

Kelly

nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote:

?...

Every question is sacred...

However hateful, however small...

Only when there is a question...

Spoken or unspoken...

There is need for union...

In the body or in the mind...

Only when there is a need...

Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...

Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...

P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi

without being Liberated...

I bow to HER within you...

 

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mahamuni <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Words, words, words. Can somebody pass me the pipe?

-

Arjuna

Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:47 PM

Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note...

Namaste Kellyji,

I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi

several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a

variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not

nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or

an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state

according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I

obviously haven't experienced that state

I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that

if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever

changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger.

Pranams,

Arjuna

Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote:

Nandu,

Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term

loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching

kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but

didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can

have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who

has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most

grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of

being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very

unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going

into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes

into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it

only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the

world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one

experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the

time.

Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have

experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it

without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many

Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru

has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me,

it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are

'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru

in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any

disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and

didn't penetrate.

Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru

block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning

not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer

in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on

this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if

they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much.

So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to

answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room

because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a

weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from

their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another

devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either

bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave

the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the

title, I read this.

Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly

nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote:

?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only

when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for

union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will

wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle

banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi

Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To

from this group, send an email

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Exactly. But we always assume the person is better off for it. If one stays in the

world afterwards, they may not know how to cope or they might. So

many words with so very few people to talk about their experiences.

My friend was found after about several days of being in that state

but she came out of it. She claims she has been there a couple of

times but it's not something you can just willfully go after

experiencing it once.

Thanks for the responses.

Ardis Jackson <anandamama (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: As I understand it ,

Ramakrishna said that you could reach these states and choose to

return to the body.Ardis

Arjuna <arjunaacharya >

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:47:50 -0800

(PST)Subject: Re:

?(Kelly): a sincere note...

Namaste Kellyji,I wonder when you say this person has been in

nirvikalpa samadhi several times what you mean by your use of the

term. There are a variety of trance states, samadhis if you will,

but they are not nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti,

and ishvarakoti, or an avatara, one does not return to the body from

such a state according to what I have read. As I am writing this to

you, I obviously haven't experienced that state I have seen many

people make these claims. What my guru said was that if one reaches

these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever changed. One

becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger. Pranams,ArjunaKelly Leeper

<blissnout > wrote:

Nandu,Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the

term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching

kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but

didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can

have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who

has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most

grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of

being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very

unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going

into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes

into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it

only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the

world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one

experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi

happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking

with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be

really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also

wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are

Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet

that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their

experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are

being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If

the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi,

something's ineffective and didn't penetrate.Please don't take any of

this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me

with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru

can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not

easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think

I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the

history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma,

Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful.

I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are

using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful

for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is

very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves

in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting

back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but

since you put my name in the title, I read this.Thanks Nandu for

addressing my question. Namaste,Kellynandu_108 <n_mallan >

wrote:

?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only

when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for

union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will

wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle

banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi

Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To

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