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[Guest guest]

What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru

in order to reach the Supreme Divinity?

[Guest guest]

It is absolutely necessary to have Guru in order to reach the

final enlightened state.

 

Sanskrit meaning of Gu-Ru is "The One Who Remove Darkness"

According to Guru Gita, true Guru reside in one's spiritual heart

which has same size as our thumb folded in our fist. As the discussion

goes on between Shiva and Parvati, that we all need Guru in Physical

Form who can show us the way.

 

There are various stories where devotees have been turned back

from Heaven (or Liberation) because they had no Guru. If a Guru is

pleased, Gods will be pleased also but if Guru is not pleased even

Gods will be angry.

 

GuruGita has beautiful shlokas about importance of Guru in One's life.

 

Thanks Maa for giving this opportunity to express our feelings

towards you, that we need you.

 

Jai Maa

 

Dilip

 

 

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Namaste,

I compiled a few sayings and stories about the importance and glory and sweetness of the Guru.

Jesse Arana (Kailash)

www.meditationinfocus.com

Kabir:

Kabir was born a Brahmin, to a widowed woman, but he was brought up by

a Muslim weaver couple, Neeru and Neema. When he grew up, Kabir found

his guru in Ramanand, an enlightened master of the time. But the

brahmins of the time would not have tolerated a Muslim being

initiated by a Hindu. So, Kabir found a unique way out.

Every day at dawn, Ramanand went for a dip in the Ganga. One morning,

Kabir wrapped himself in a blanket and lay down on the ground in the

guru's way. Ramanand stumbled over his body and exclaimed: "Ram!

Ram!" Kabir promptly caught hold of Ramanand's feet and said: "I've

been initiated. I've got my mantra—Ram. Now bless me."

"I was born in Kashi and given awareness by Ramanand." - Kabir

"The Master is greater than God. You may very well think over this.

Devotion to God keeps a person entangled on this side; but devotion

to the Guru leads him across to God." - Kabir

"Even if all the trees in the Universe are made into pens, and the

water of all the seas made into ink, still it would be insufficient

to illustrate the glory of the Guru." - Kabir

Rumi:

Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan on September 29, 1207 A.D. His

family fled the Mongol invasion and finally settled in Konya, Turkey

where he spent most of his life. From an early age Rumi was drawn

towards religion and philosophy. He became a scholar, until his

meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz at the age of 37.

That was the turning point in his life, for Rumi had found the Guru

who turned him from "learning" to the pure wisdom of devotion.

"In the Master is lodged both God and the Mediator. There is in fact

not the least distinction between the two. Drive all thought of

duality from your mind, or else you will get lost in the wilderness,

and so also shall be the fate of your first lessons in spirituality.

He who considers the two as separate entities has not yet learnt

anything from, or known anything of, the Master. - Rumi

Ramakrishna:

His first guru was Bhairavi Brahmani, who declared he was an avatar.

His second Guru was Tota Puri, a naked yogi.

"The Guru is a mediator. He brings man and God together even as a

matchmaker brings together the lover and the beloved." - Ramakrishna

"The roof is clearly visible, but extremely hard to reach. But if

someone who has already reached it, drops down a rope, he can pull

another person up." - Ramakrishna

"If you are in right earnest to learn the mysteries of God, He will

send you the Sadguru, the right teacher." - Ramakrishna

Kularnava Tantra

According to the 13th chapter of the influential Kularnava Tantra,

there is no difference between devata, mantra and guru. "Devata in

truth is the same as mantra; mantra in truth is the same as the guru.

The fruit of the worship of the devata, mantra and guru is the same."

(Ram Kumar Rai translation).

Guru Nanak:

"Let no man in the world live in delusion. Without a Guru none can

cross over to the other shore." - Nanak

Upanishads

"Aacaaryavaan purusho veda" - only one who has a preceptor, gains true

knowledge. - Chandogya Upanishad

Lao Tzu

"Find a teacher who is an integral being, a beacon who extends his

Light and virtue with equal ease to those who appreciate him and

those who don’t. Shape yourself in his mold, bathe in his

nourishing radiance, and reflect it out to the rest of the Universe."

Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Ching

Lama Yeshe:

We should not interpret this to mean that the external, relative guru

is unimportant. This is not true; he or she is vitally important.

Although it is true that the tantric teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha

have been in existence for 2500 years, do they exist for us if we

have not yet met a qualified tantric master? Are they real for us or

not? Despite the extensive explanations of such realised adepts as

Naropa, Marpa and Tsong Khapa, can we say that tantra is a reality

for us before someone has introduced it to us? Of course not. And the

same is true for the teachings of sutra as well; the fact that Buddha

taught the Four Noble Truths a long time ago does not make them true

for us. They only become part of our reality once we have realised

them, and this depends upon having met a guru who can show us their

truth clearly in a way we can understand. If we do not have the

living example and inspiration of the external guru, our inner wisdom

win remain weak and undeveloped.

The need for such an experienced guide is crucial when it comes to

following tantra because tantra is a very technical, internally

technical, system of development. We have to be shown how everything

fits together until we actually feel it for ourselves. Without the

proper guidance we would be as confused as someone who instead of

getting a Rolls Royce gets only a pile of unassembled parts and an

instruction book. Unless the person were already a highly skilled

mechanic, he or she would be completely lost.

Adi Shankaracharya

"My fame has spread in all quarters. All the things of the world are

in my hands. But if my mind is not attached to the lotus feet of the

Guru, what then, what then, what then, what then?" - Adi

Shankaracharya, Guru Stotram

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

My Guru is the one who held me and shook me in the air, saying, "You!

You. Stop being so spiritual. Be an ordinary, sane human being. Go to

therapy. Get a job."

My Guru is the one who softly comforted me, saying, "It doesn't matter

how many lifetimes you take. I will be here for you."

My Guru is the one who drew me back into the practices, after I had abandoned them.

My Guru is the one who invited me into Her home.

My Guru is the one who giggled softly, and smiled when I asked for a

mantra. Then opened my eyes and whispered the Gayatri into my nadis.

My Guru is the one who blessed me with the seva of coming back

lifetime after lifetime after lifetime, to serve all beings.

My Guru is One. He is Buddhist, She is Hindu. He is Dorje Trollo. She

is Saraswati. He is Mahasiddha Sabara. She is Karunamayi.

Jesse Arana (Kailash)

www.meditationinfocus.com

Sarada

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I enjoyed that. Thank you for the posts. However, I'm interested if

you have documentation or have done research in regards to the rest

of the worlds traditions besides those that come from the east?

My dearest friend, a pundit from India, born and raised with an

enlightened Guru told me at first he thought no one in the West could

possibly be enlightened without the Eastern teachings. He said it was

very arrogant and he was proved wrong as he met spiritual westerners

who had no eastern influence who were illumined. He now knows better

and knows that the west is not as bereft of spiriutality as most

easterners have told the world.

It's good to revere the Guru, no doubt. What have you read about

western Guru's? Or has no one in the West ever made it to God

without the 'Guru' and mantra? I like well roundedness, that is why

I ask since you've done the reading and the footwork and are not

based soley on faith. If Swami Satyananda knows of the western

Enlightened people, let us know. This is not for debate, but

information purposes only. I want to know if only eastern educated

people achieve grace from a Guru and if so, does the rest of the

world have 'bad' karma?

I appreciate your post. Namaste.

KellyJesse Arana <jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste,

I compiled a few sayings and stories about the importance and glory and sweetness of the Guru.

Jesse Arana (Kailash)

www.meditationinfocus.com

Kabir:

Kabir was born a Brahmin, to a widowed woman, but he was brought up by

a Muslim weaver couple, Neeru and Neema. When he grew up, Kabir found

his guru in Ramanand, an enlightened master of the time. But the

brahmins of the time would not have tolerated a Muslim being

initiated by a Hindu. So, Kabir found a unique way out.

Every day at dawn, Ramanand went for a dip in the Ganga. One morning,

Kabir wrapped himself in a blanket and lay down on the ground in the

guru's way. Ramanand stumbled over his body and exclaimed: "Ram!

Ram!" Kabir promptly caught hold of Ramanand's feet and said: "I've

been initiated. I've got my mantra—Ram. Now bless me."

"I was born in Kashi and given awareness by Ramanand." - Kabir

"The Master is greater than God. You may very well think over this.

Devotion to God keeps a person entangled on this side; but devotion

to the Guru leads him across to God." - Kabir

"Even if all the trees in the Universe are made into pens, and the

water of all the seas made into ink, still it would be insufficient

to illustrate the glory of the Guru." - Kabir

Rumi:

Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan on September 29, 1207 A.D. His

family fled the Mongol invasion and finally settled in Konya, Turkey

where he spent most of his life. From an early age Rumi was drawn

towards religion and philosophy. He became a scholar, until his

meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz at the age of 37.

That was the turning point in his life, for Rumi had found the Guru

who turned him from "learning" to the pure wisdom of devotion.

"In the Master is lodged both God and the Mediator. There is in fact

not the least distinction between the two. Drive all thought of

duality from your mind, or else you will get lost in the wilderness,

and so also shall be the fate of your first lessons in spirituality.

He who considers the two as separate entities has not yet learnt

anything from, or known anything of, the Master. - Rumi

Ramakrishna:

His first guru was Bhairavi Brahmani, who declared he was an avatar.

His second Guru was Tota Puri, a naked yogi.

"The Guru is a mediator. He brings man and God together even as a

matchmaker brings together the lover and the beloved." - Ramakrishna

"The roof is clearly visible, but extremely hard to reach. But if

someone who has already reached it, drops down a rope, he can pull

another person up." - Ramakrishna

"If you are in right earnest to learn the mysteries of God, He will

send you the Sadguru, the right teacher." - Ramakrishna

Kularnava Tantra

According to the 13th chapter of the influential Kularnava Tantra,

there is no difference between devata, mantra and guru. "Devata in

truth is the same as mantra; mantra in truth is the same as the guru.

The fruit of the worship of the devata, mantra and guru is the same."

(Ram Kumar Rai translation).

Guru Nanak:

"Let no man in the world live in delusion. Without a Guru none can

cross over to the other shore." - Nanak

Upanishads

"Aacaaryavaan purusho veda" - only one who has a preceptor, gains true

knowledge. - Chandogya Upanishad

Lao Tzu

"Find a teacher who is an integral being, a beacon who extends his

Light and virtue with equal ease to those who appreciate him and

those who don’t. Shape yourself in his mold, bathe in his nourishing

radiance, and reflect it out to the rest of the Universe." Lao Tzu,

Hua Hu Ching

Lama Yeshe:

We should not interpret this to mean that the external, relative guru

is unimportant. This is not true; he or she is vitally important.

Although it is true that the tantric teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha

have been in existence for 2500 years, do they exist for us if we

have not yet met a qualified tantric master? Are they real for us or

not? Despite the extensive explanations of such realised adepts as

Naropa, Marpa and Tsong Khapa, can we say that tantra is a reality

for us before someone has introduced it to us? Of course not. And the

same is true for the teachings of sutra as well; the fact that Buddha

taught the Four Noble Truths a long time ago does not make them true

for us. They only become part of our reality once we have realised

them, and this depends upon having met a guru who can show us their

truth clearly in a way we can understand. If we do not have the

living example and inspiration of the external guru, our inner wisdom

win remain weak

and undeveloped.

The need for such an experienced guide is crucial when it comes to

following tantra because tantra is a very technical, internally

technical, system of development. We have to be shown how everything

fits together until we actually feel it for ourselves. Without the

proper guidance we would be as confused as someone who instead of

getting a Rolls Royce gets only a pile of unassembled parts and an

instruction book. Unless the person were already a highly skilled

mechanic, he or she would be completely lost.

Adi Shankaracharya

"My fame has spread in all quarters. All the things of the world are

in my hands. But if my mind is not attached to the lotus feet of the

Guru, what then, what then, what then, what then?" - Adi

Shankaracharya, Guru Stotram

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I would say the Guru is the one/ones who will be able to inspire the

disciple to reach their highest potential in this life/lives with the

eventual outcome of growing to such a degree that all the karmic bonds

are lifted and the disciple uncovers their own inner Guru.The Guru

will use whatever means neccessary, and that they see fit, to

encourage this growth.There is no judgement over the disciple's

character as such, and the Guru will only compassionately prod the

disciple towards their goal, fullfilling those desires the Guru

seee's fit to fullfill. The Guru is the ultimate example of

sacrifice, giving completely without reserve for the benefit of the

disciple/s inner and outer spiritual growth.

 

I believe it is necessary to have a true enlightened Guru in the

present life(hence all present lives) if one is to ever truely hope

of attaining samadhi at the highest levels and then complete

absorption in the divine as far as is able while in the body, until

the soul becomes one with the infinite.

Without this knowledgable one/s to guide the aspirant, he or she

oftentimes stumbles blindly in the dark looking for the light which

they have been themselves holding .

To the best of my ability, this is the explanation of the Guru.

Sarada <sarada_saraswati > wrote:

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Namaste Kailash,

I loved your post.

Jai Maa

, "Jesse Arana" <jessearana@c...>

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> Namaste,

>

> My Guru is the one who held me and shook me in the air,

saying, "You!

> You. Stop being so spiritual. Be an ordinary, sane human being. Go

to

> therapy. Get a job."

>

> My Guru is the one who softly comforted me, saying, "It doesn't

matter

> how many lifetimes you take. I will be here for you."

>

> My Guru is the one who drew me back into the practices, after I had

> abandoned them.

>

> My Guru is the one who invited me into Her home.

>

> My Guru is the one who giggled softly, and smiled when I asked for

a

> mantra. Then opened my eyes and whispered the Gayatri into my

nadis.

>

> My Guru is the one who blessed me with the seva of coming back

lifetime

> after lifetime after lifetime, to serve all beings.

>

> My Guru is One. He is Buddhist, She is Hindu. He is Dorje Trollo.

She is

> Saraswati. He is Mahasiddha Sabara. She is Karunamayi.

>

> Jesse Arana (Kailash)

> www.meditationinfocus.com

>

>

>

>

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Namaste,

Guru is the dispeller of darkness and SHE LIVES UP TO IT, believe me.

You can learn mantras from a book and with sincere devotion actually

go somewhere, but who else will get in your face and make you face

all your demons without any selfish interest of Her own.

We need Her desperately. She's the only one who can take us across

the ocean.

 

Jai Maa,

Gauri

 

, "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati>

wrote:

> What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru

> in order to reach the Supreme Divinity?

[Guest guest]

Perfect post. I agree 100%. If they don't get in your face sometimes

they are doing the disciple a disservice. Sometimes that is needed

and Thank God when it happens! Jai Maa! Lucky girl!Gauri

<gaurima108 > wrote:

Namaste,Guru is the dispeller of darkness and SHE LIVES UP TO IT,

believe me.You can learn mantras from a book and with sincere

devotion actually go somewhere, but who else will get in your face

and make you face all your demons without any selfish interest of Her

own.We need Her desperately. She's the only one who can take us

across the ocean.Jai Maa,Gauri,

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Is She needed? If God is needed, then Guru is needed. If the PGuru

is short sighted, then always go for Maa, Maa knows the karma and

dharma and will ALWAYS be there for Her children. Always Maa. Call

it Guru if you want to, I love my Mother. If the child is pure,

superstition will never cloud her judgement and will always be on the

lap of Her Mama.

Jai Maa!

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Namaste Kelly,

I have read world religions widely, and visited 14 Catholic

monasteries. Met Brother David Steindl-Rast, Bruno Burkhart, and

visited Thomas Merton's grave (even snuck out to visit his

hermitage). I have no bias about the ability for anyone to get

enlightened, in any culture, tradition, or time. I consider there are

many Heretics, Sufi saints, and Shamans from various traditions that

have been enlightened.

I do believe it is harder to advance spiritually without a living Guru

who teaches you one-on-one, and through blessing force. Many lineages

die out over time, and that is sad. But the spirit of the teachings

is always available on Earth somewhere, and that is why we gravitate

toward lineages that are not from our own culture. We seek that which

we need spiritually wherever it dwells.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bhakti alone can lead one to

Enlightenment. But for the practice of Sadhanas, a Guru and

transmission are required. Otherwise you end up making your own

religion, which is about how you feel, rather than utilizing a method

handed down via direct spiritual transmission.

I don't have time to come up with a more comprehensive list, but here

is a stab at answering your post:

I would say the following Christian Mystics have approached or were enlightened.

- Author of The Cloud of Unknowing, a Christian work written by an

unknown English monk around 1370 AD. - St. John of the Cross, a

Spanish Mystic, who lived from 1542 to 1591. - Julian of Norwich, an

English mystic who lived from 1342 to 1413. - Jacob Boehme, a German

mystic who lived from 1575 to 1624. He sprung from the Lutheran

church, but Lutheran authorities rejected his teaching and threatened

him with imprisonment. - Meister Eckhart, lived between 1260 and 1326

AD. A member of the Dominican Order, he held senior ecclesistical and

teaching posts all over Europe. Following his death, a number of his

teachings were repudiated by the Roman Catholic Church. - FRANCIS of

ASSISI [John Bernardone] (1182-1226) Founder of the Franciscan order,

which emphasized self-renunciation and poverty. Francis approaches

nature mysticism at times,

particularly when he sees God in all living things. Works: Canticle of

the Sun. - PYTHAGORAS (c.580/570-c.500 BCE) - Ramon Llull ( a

favorite http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~jordi/llgen.html#deu)

Jesse Arana (Kailash)

www.meditationinfocus.com

Kelly Leeper

[blissnout ] Monday, October 13, 2003 9:35

PMSubject: RE: Question

for the group

Jesse,

I enjoyed that. Thank you for the posts. However, I'm interested if

you have documentation or have done research in regards to the rest

of the worlds traditions besides those that come from the east?

My dearest friend, a pundit from India, born and raised with an

enlightened Guru told me at first he thought no one in the West could

possibly be enlightened without the Eastern teachings. He said it was

very arrogant and he was proved wrong as he met spiritual westerners

who had no eastern influence who were illumined. He now knows better

and knows that the west is not as bereft of spiriutality as most

easterners have told the world.

It's good to revere the Guru, no doubt. What have you read about

western Guru's? Or has no one in the West ever made it to God

without the 'Guru' and mantra? I like well roundedness, that is why

I ask since you've done the reading and the footwork and are not

based soley on faith. If Swami Satyananda knows of the western

Enlightened people, let us know. This is not for debate, but

information purposes only. I want to know if only eastern educated

people achieve grace from a Guru and if so, does the rest of the

world have 'bad' karma?

I appreciate your post. Namaste.

KellyJesse Arana <jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote:

Namaste,

I compiled a few sayings and stories about the importance and glory and sweetness of the Guru.

Jesse Arana (Kailash)

www.meditationinfocus.com

Kabir:

Kabir was born a Brahmin, to a widowed woman, but he was brought up by

a Muslim weaver couple, Neeru and Neema. When he grew up, Kabir found

his guru in Ramanand, an enlightened master of the time. But the

brahmins of the time would not have tolerated a Muslim being

initiated by a Hindu. So, Kabir found a unique way out.

Every day at dawn, Ramanand went for a dip in the Ganga. One morning,

Kabir wrapped himself in a blanket and lay down on the ground in the

guru's way. Ramanand stumbled over his body and exclaimed: "Ram!

Ram!" Kabir promptly caught hold of Ramanand's feet and said: "I've

been initiated. I've got my mantra—Ram. Now bless me."

"I was born in Kashi and given awareness by Ramanand." - Kabir

"The Master is greater than God. You may very well think over this.

Devotion to God keeps a person entangled on this side; but devotion

to the Guru leads him across to God." - Kabir

"Even if all the trees in the Universe are made into pens, and the

water of all the seas made into ink, still it would be insufficient

to illustrate the glory of the Guru." - Kabir

Rumi:

Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan on September 29, 1207 A.D. His

family fled the Mongol invasion and finally settled in Konya, Turkey

where he spent most of his life. From an early age Rumi was drawn

towards religion and philosophy. He became a scholar, until his

meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz at the age of 37.

That was the turning point in his life, for Rumi had found the Guru

who turned him from "learning" to the pure wisdom of devotion.

"In the Master is lodged both God and the Mediator. There is in fact

not the least distinction between the two. Drive all thought of

duality from your mind, or else you will get lost in the wilderness,

and so also shall be the fate of your first lessons in spirituality.

He who considers the two as separate entities has not yet learnt

anything from, or known anything of, the Master. - Rumi

Ramakrishna:

His first guru was Bhairavi Brahmani, who declared he was an avatar.

His second Guru was Tota Puri, a naked yogi.

"The Guru is a mediator. He brings man and God together even as a

matchmaker brings together the lover and the beloved." - Ramakrishna

"The roof is clearly visible, but extremely hard to reach. But if

someone who has already reached it, drops down a rope, he can pull

another person up." - Ramakrishna

"If you are in right earnest to learn the mysteries of God, He will

send you the Sadguru, the right teacher." - Ramakrishna

Kularnava Tantra

According to the 13th chapter of the influential Kularnava Tantra,

there is no difference between devata, mantra and guru. "Devata in

truth is the same as mantra; mantra in truth is the same as the guru.

The fruit of the worship of the devata, mantra and guru is the same."

(Ram Kumar Rai translation).

Guru Nanak:

"Let no man in the world live in delusion. Without a Guru none can

cross over to the other shore." - Nanak

Upanishads

"Aacaaryavaan purusho veda" - only one who has a preceptor, gains true

knowledge. - Chandogya Upanishad

Lao Tzu

"Find a teacher who is an integral being, a beacon who extends his

Light and virtue with equal ease to those who appreciate him and

those who don’t. Shape yourself in his mold, bathe in his

nourishing radiance, and reflect it out to the rest of the Universe."

Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Ching

Lama Yeshe:

We should not interpret this to mean that the external, relative guru

is unimportant. This is not true; he or she is vitally important.

Although it is true that the tantric teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha

have been in existence for 2500 years, do they exist for us if we

have not yet met a qualified tantric master? Are they real for us or

not? Despite the extensive explanations of such realised adepts as

Naropa, Marpa and Tsong Khapa, can we say that tantra is a reality

for us before someone has introduced it to us? Of course not. And the

same is true for the teachings of sutra as well; the fact that Buddha

taught the Four Noble Truths a long time ago does not make them true

for us. They only become part of our reality once we have realised

them, and this depends upon having met a guru who can show us their

truth clearly in a way we can understand. If we do not have the

living example and inspiration of the external guru, our inner wisdom

win remain weak and undeveloped.

The need for such an experienced guide is crucial when it comes to

following tantra because tantra is a very technical, internally

technical, system of development. We have to be shown how everything

fits together until we actually feel it for ourselves. Without the

proper guidance we would be as confused as someone who instead of

getting a Rolls Royce gets only a pile of unassembled parts and an

instruction book. Unless the person were already a highly skilled

mechanic, he or she would be completely lost.

Adi Shankaracharya

"My fame has spread in all quarters. All the things of the world are

in my hands. But if my mind is not attached to the lotus feet of the

Guru, what then, what then, what then, what then?" - Adi

Shankaracharya, Guru Stotram

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Namaste Gauri,

I am happy you enjoyed it. I loved writing it, and consider myself

very, very lucky. I was telling someone the other day, you know how

people ask: "When was the last time you saw your parents?" Well, if

someone asks me "When was the last time you talked with your Guru?" I

could say, "I spoke with one on the phone last week, and has emails

with the other this week."

Very, very, very lucky... this lifetime!

J.

Gauri [gaurima108 ]

Monday, October 13, 2003 10:13 PMTo:

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the groupNamaste Kailash,I loved your post.Jai Maa--- In

, "Jesse Arana" <jessearana@c...> wrote:>

Namaste, > > My Guru is the one who held me and shook me in the air,

saying, "You!> You. Stop being so spiritual. Be an ordinary, sane

human being. Go to> therapy. Get a job."> > My Guru is the one who

softly comforted me, saying, "It doesn't matter> how many lifetimes

you take. I will be here for you."> > My Guru is the one who drew me

back into the practices, after I had> abandoned them.> > My Guru is

the one who invited me into Her home.> > My Guru is the one who

giggled softly, and smiled when I asked for a> mantra. Then opened my

eyes and whispered the Gayatri into my nadis.> > My Guru is the one

who blessed me with the seva of coming back lifetime> after lifetime

after lifetime, to serve all beings.> > My Guru is One. He is

Buddhist, She is Hindu. He is Dorje Trollo. She is> Saraswati. He is

Mahasiddha Sabara. She is Karunamayi.> > Jesse Arana (Kailash)>

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For me it means two things!

Guru in the meaning of life it self is our guru, life experiences

teaches us... we need a guru in person to give us feedback and

mindkeys about the interpetation of our experiences in the light and

wisdom of god..and that specific message we need to get out of our

experiences.. but yet I feel god is everywhere.. he might let us

know things by a simple child, even a drunk man.. if god wants you

to have his message he will reach you one way or the other..

 

 

Love Diaan (Mira)

, "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati>

wrote:

> What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru

> in order to reach the Supreme Divinity?

[Guest guest]

Speaking for myself, I need to have a physical Guru if I have to make

any progress in Sadhana.

 

I know the goal - I need a roadmap ,proper equipment and a trusted

guide.

 

The path/tradition is the roadmap, the sadhana is the equipment and

the Guru is the guide. With time at a premium - I would stick with a

tried and tested tradition that has worked for many seekers across

many centuries and could possibly work for me.

 

The Guru is the subject matter expert , my frame of reference to

align myself. The Guru is the living proof of what I want to

be/become.

 

Thank you Shree Maa and Swamiji for being our shining examples.

 

, "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati>

wrote:

> What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru

> in order to reach the Supreme Divinity?

[Guest guest]

Well said.

-

Latha Nanda

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:14 PM

Re: Question for the group

Speaking for myself, I need to have a physical Guru if I have to make

any progress in Sadhana.I know the goal - I need a roadmap ,proper

equipment and a trusted guide.The path/tradition is the roadmap, the

sadhana is the equipment and the Guru is the guide. With time at a

premium - I would stick with a tried and tested tradition that has

worked for many seekers across many centuries and could possibly work

for me.The Guru is the subject matter expert , my frame of reference

to align myself. The Guru is the living proof of what I want to

be/become.Thank you Shree Maa and Swamiji for being our shining

examples. , "Sarada"

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The Guru is the Pure Love deep within my heart. The Guru is the Supreme

Divinity. The Guru is always with me. I cannot be separated from Her...

I need only realize that I am never separated from Her.

 

I love and bow to Shree Maa and Swamiji for helping me to realize the Love

that is always within me.

 

Love, Rosie