mahoney 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2005 What is the ultimate goal of man?. Man is Kshara so how does he attain complete salvation ,does he need to be achieve "Akshara"(Brahman) or an "Uttama"(Transcendent)or according to the Bhagavad Geeta a combination of "Akshara" and "Uttama"? Please answer ASAP! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 8, 2005 we are eternal servants of sri krsna bhagavan, so our place is in the spiritual world serving him in eternal bliss the system, as bhagavad gita says, is to surrender to an uttama adhikari vaishnava spiritual master to take initiation, siksa and advices on sadhana our main sadhana is to chant everyday a prescribed (by the spiritual master) a number of hare krsna mahamantras in deep concentration: hare krsna, hare krsna krsna krsna, hare hare hare rama, hare rama rama rama, hare hare in this way, being the name of god non different by god himself, the presence of sri bhagavan so close to us, around us in the sound vibration of hare krsna mantra, will purify us and it will make us eligible to come back to him in goloka/vaikunta so to attain salvation accept the shelter of a pure spiritual master and chant regularly, more as you can, the hare krsna mahamantra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted May 8, 2005 One needn't wait for a formal relationship with a particular guru before chanting Hare Krsna. We are to begin from this moment and not stop. You may develop such a personal relationship with a particular guru but in any case chant. So our first goal is to chant Hare Krsna and become attached to that chanting. And while chanting our goal is to develop pure love for Krsna. We also have the goal of becoming self realized as spiritsoul. That is held by all spiritualists. But the Vaisnavas see this as preliminary and necessary but not the final goal of pleasing Krsna. Then other goals may develop from within as to what relationship you will attain with Krsna. That will develop naturally by attaining first pure love for the Lord. A person training as an Olympic runner will have many goals while training. First to run the mile in under 4 minutes. The in a shorter time yet and like that. But the real goal is the win a gold medal. Pure love of Krsna is the gold medal we can keep before us and strive for. Lord Caitanya and Ramananda Raya had a celebrated conversation on this topic where the finer points are discussed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mahoney 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2005 Is it better to concentrate on the concept of Brahman itself rather than 1000 devas ,heaven ,hell. I hope you get my drift Let us ignore Vailkuntam and Yamalogam and concentrate on being Brahman!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 9, 2005 theist: "One needn't wait for a formal relationship with a particular guru before chanting Hare Krsna" it is a matter of fact... if hare krsna did not want to be chanted without an uttama guru, only a few people were chanting it hare krsna prabhu! mahoney Is it better to concentrate on the concept of Brahman itself..rather than 1000 devas ,heaven ,hell --you are right, we have to concentrate our mind on param-brahman sri krsna Let us ignore Vailkuntam --vaikunta is param-brahman.. if you ignore vaikunta you remain here concentrate on being Brahman!!! --we are already brahman even if we do not concentrate Can we worship Brahman?? --no.. brahman is undifferentiated, there's no worshipper and worshipers. We can a nd must worship param-brahman, krsna the supreme personality of godhead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theist 1 Report post Posted May 9, 2005 theist: "One needn't wait for a formal relationship with a particular guru before chanting Hare Krsna" it is a matter of fact... if hare krsna did not want to be chanted without an uttama guru, only a few people were chanting it hare krsna prabhu! I am not able to understand what you mean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 2, 2005 He means that the Mantra should be received from a Spiritual Master for maximum effect. Until then one may chant it but it is important to have heard and received it from a Vaisnava devotee. There are many non-bonafide people claiming to be Acaryas who may recite the mantra too. But what point is it to receive the mantra from such people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2005 is mukti, according to all Vedic scriptures. Mukti is the highest of the 4 purusharthas. Of course, Iskconites are gonna say bhakti is the 5th when there's no pramaana to that effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
