Govindaram Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Interesting conversation (excert)..which I don't understand, but I like. Conversation with Sridhara Maharaja -- June 27, 1973, Navadvipa <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Labor pain. Sridhara Maharaja: Labor... "Then a big child must come." At last it was seen that a mice, a mouse was produced. So the big, giants of the present world, so-called leaders of the scholars... <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Scientists. Sridhara Maharaja: ...scholars, with world, they are producing like a mouse. That is a dying substance, in this form or that form. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Punah punas carvita-carvananam [sB 7.5.30]. Sridhara Maharaja: Ah, this is sheer deception, a deception to be a challenge to the real thinkers. We should abhorrently throw it out at once. It is within the boundary of janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi. Throw it off. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: So I, I try to impress upon them this fact, that this Krishna consciousness movement is a challenge for this deception. They’re simply deceived. Sridhara Maharaja: All sorts of deception. Even Vaikuntha. Paravyome (Bengali) And the calculation, even they, the self is, a sort of calculation comes between the, the servitor and the object of service, then also it throws us down. In Krishna consciousness, that sort of calculation is also absurd. Where there is love, there cannot be any calculation. It is autonomous. Autonomous anuraga. Cultivate, do. No sort of calculation of any benefit. The calculation disturbs autonomy. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: (Bengali) Goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya devi-mahesa-hari-dhama... [bs. 5.43]. (Bengali) About our temple contemplation, it will be almost a skyscraper building. Bhavananda: Will be. Sridhara Maharaja: Eh? <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Skyscraper building in temple shape, with four divisions. Goloka-namni nija-dhamni tale ca tasya devi-maheSa... [bs. 5.43]. So Mahesa-dhama, how it will be depicted? Parvati-wise. (?) Sridhara Maharaja: It has been already described by Sanatana Gosvami in Brhad-Bhagavatamrtam. After crossing Brahmaloka, <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: There is Mahesa-dhama, in between. Sridhara Maharaja: Mahesa-dhama. And the devotee, Siva is devotee. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Yes, everyone is... Siva's devotional prayer is there in Fourth Canto, about the four sons. What are those? Sridhara Maharaja: Devi-dhama. Viraja to viraja, nirvisesa. The last conception or the highest conception of Devi-dhama is what are the conception of viraja; prakrti ends there... Then begins... <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Karana, karanarnava. Sridhara Maharaja: Karana, karanarnava. Then it begins Brahmaloka, the halo of the spiritual world. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Effulgence. Yes. Sridhara Maharaja: Spiritual world. And that is also some, some, somewhat nirvisesa. And then, after crossing that, the Siva is on the other, higher side or he is in lower side. That is differentiation... <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Siva is... Sridhara Maharaja: Differentiation on two sides is Siva. This side also, Master of Devi, and this side also. He is searching after something and when the differentiated world ends in Brahmaloka, there also Siva is devotee. This side, Siva is a yogi. He's searching after. And then, there, he's going to meet Narayana, to face (indistinct). <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Both sides, he's a devotee. Sridhara Maharaja: This side, he's not such a devotee. But that is pure devotee on the other side, Vaikuntha. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Ah. Sadasiva. Sridhara Maharaja: Sadasiva, Maha-visnu. On the other side, he’s a devotee. Vaisnavanam yatha Sambhuh. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Maha-visnu and Sadasiva, the same. Sridhara Maharaja: Same. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Advaitacarya. Sridhara Maharaja: Advaitacarya. On the other side. and this side, sometimes revolving. The other day, I told a gentlemen that Siva is rather the leader of the opposition party. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Yes, in Daksa-yajna, that is the curse. Sridhara Maharaja: In Daksa-yajna and in many a place, many demons is encouraged by him. We find. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: But when Pracetas, Pracetas, they met Siva... Sridhara Maharaja: That, that is that Siva, devotee Siva. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Oh, they... Sridhara Maharaja: Markandeya also in Bhagavatam, Markandeya worshiped Siva. But that is the devotee Siva. It is clearly mentioned in Bhagavatam. Markandeya's worshiping Siva. But that Siva is the pure devotee of Narayana. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Pracetas, Siva, the Pracetas met in this material world or in the spiritual world? They met in the material world. Sridhara Maharaja: I can't remember that particular... But Siva, this side also Siva, in the nirviSesa, on the lower side of the nirvisesa is also Siva, and the higher side of the nirvisesa is also Siva. Then Narayana. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Here, he's Bhutanatha, leaders of the atheistic-class of men. Sridhara Maharaja: Atheistic class. And his paraphernalia is Nandibhrngi, bhuta, and his, and his eldest son is Vinayaka, and he misguided... The leader of the misguided, Vinayaka, Ganesa. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Oh, Vinayaka. Vi-gata... Sridhara Maharaja: Vinayaka. Not proper nayaka. Vikrta-nayakah. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Vikrta-nayakah. Sridhara Maharaja: Vinayanikapamode-suddha-prabhu, (?) that are protected by Krishna, and they, they... <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: But in Brahma-samhita Ganesa is described: vighna-nasa. Sridhara Maharaja: Vighna-nasa, but with the help of Nrsimhadeva on his kumbha. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Oh, I see. Yat-.-pallava-yugam vinidhaya. Sridhara Maharaja: With the help of His lotus feet, he’s able to... Otherwise, he's Vinayaka. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: (laughs) Vinayaka. Ganesa. Sridhara Maharaja: (Bengali) posasas ca... <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: Misleader. Sridhara Maharaja: Misleader, misguider, Ganesa, his eldest son. And he give support, Siva. Just as C.R. Das, he encouraged the Subash Bose and the other members of opposition party but he himself was a little common person. <font color="red"> Prabhupada: </font color>: So, Satsvarupa Maharaja, how do you like this place? Satsvarupa: Very transcendental. 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