Krsna in Ramayana

[Manni 0]

Why is Krsna not named in the Ramayana? Was not Valmiki or Tulsidas Krsna Conscious? Surely they had to be so to be able to write the epic, since Krsna Himself would have had to choose them to do so!

[Guest guest]

Krsna had not manifest on earth as Krsna at the time of the Ramayana. The lilas of the Lord manifest in a cyclic design.

Tulsi das and Valmiki were focussed on the pastimes of Lord Ramachandra, Krsna came here in His Krsna form many thousands of years later.

 

In this present time one has the choice to serve many incarnations of God, either singularly or all of them, according to ones inner heart and attraction. All are the same Lord manifesting in different ways for the billions of souls aspiring back to Godhead.

Valmiki and Hanuman choose to be Rama Conscious rather than Krsna Conscious, because they have an inherit attraction to that particular Ishtadev.

Still Krsna is ultimately the most attractive, if compared with open mind and soul. He is the cause of all causes..... Swayam bhagavan.

[Guest guest]

They were Rama concious.Does it make any difference /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

Joy

[Manni 0]

Yes, I know Rama appeared before Krsna in terms of time on Earth but let's consider the philosophy - if Krsna is the Personality of Godhead (i.e. unchanging through time!) should not the sages of the time (i.e. Valmiki) know this?? Or were they Advaitins?

 

Krsna was FIRST - HE told the Gita etc. to Surya Narayana and so on... should not the Sages know this? Should nbot they mention this? Especially in Treta Yuga, when the peoples were so much more Dharmic.

[Guest guest]

Krsna didn't say he spoke to the Sungod in the form of Krsna. He may have done so in the four-armed form, or in some other form. And he didn't speak Bhagavad-gita (as we know it in 18 chapters) to him, but the yoga system.

 

Don't limit God to any form. Poets and devotees may have done so. But only to give us (or themselves) a particular form to meditate on. God is not limited to any form, not even to a cowherd boy with a flute. It's the essence that counts (beauty, harmony, sweetness, friendliness, playfulness).

[Guest guest]

 

Don't be supprised if you end up in God's Kingdom, and no one's wearing a sari or dhoti. Don't even be supprised if no one's having teeth, intestines, eyes or legs at all. All these things that we need for our survival in the physical environment, who knows wether they are necessary in the spiritual world at all?

 

bhakta Ivar

[Manni 0]

thanks for your insights...

[Jahnava Nitai Das 2]

 

who knows wether they are necessary in the spiritual world at all?

 

 

Ultimately it is the Lord's intimate associates who know these matters in truth, for they experience the Lord face to face at all times (santah sadaiva hridayeshu vilokayanti). To know the nature of the spiritual realm we should listen from those who dwell on that realm. The are many descriptions of the spiritual abode of the Lord in the writings of our Acharya's.

[Mark_ 0]

There are descriptions of the spiritual abode? That's amazing! What holy scripture is it described in?

[Guest guest]

 

Yes, what original scripture are they in? For all we know, the oldest scriptures only speak of a Paramam Padam. Only later scriptures call it Goloka.

Brahma Samhita was not known until Sri Caitanya found it/ manifested it/ wrote it.

Srimad Bhagavatam, Gita Govinda, Lila-Madhava, Brihad-Bhagavatamritam, all these have no ancient history.

There's no archeological evidence yet of ancient Radha-Krsna worship. Face it: Krsna and Goloka are new revelations.

 

Ivar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Manni,

 

You have your viewpoint confused here. Krishna and Rama are all present in the Hindu holy books, from a period called the Puranic age. If you have read or been through a few Upanishads which are of pre- Puranic age we do not have stories and descriptions of Rama or Krishna. Moreover Krishna does not signify a single person. Krishna is another name given for the supreme being (Brahman).

 

The Hindus have 4 yugas-- Sat, Threthayug, Dwapara and Kali. Rama was in the Thretha Yuga and Krishna in the Dwapara. So your argument Krishna was first is wrong. Bye.

[Guest guest]

God is always there.First and last dosen't matter.In Hinduism supreme being is known as Krsna(Parabrahman-source of brahman).The great sage who compiled all the vedas confirmed this.There is no difference between his personal and impersonal form.They are interchangeable.It is not that Krsna came out of Brahman as impersonalists believe.

 

Joy