JEWS : BRAHMINS OF THE WEST

[Kulapavana 0]

the isssue of this thread has nothing to do with conspiracy theories (are Jews the brahmanas of the West). to repeat myself:

 

it is not important what color of clothes the ruling elite wears, but what is in their hearts. how do you know what is in someone's heart? you watch their actions. demons act one way, devotees another. in the same way (by observing their activities) one determines who is a brahmana, and who is a candala.

 

There are certainly Jews who can be seen as brahmanas (look at our movement for starters) but many others are very obviously of entirely different nature. My previous post had the aim of placing things in perspective and balancing the thread.

 

Blanket statements like: "Jews are the brahmanas of the West" or "Jews are the source of our problems" are silly and childish. I understand your attachment to your race shiva, but your attachment to the truth should be greater. The role of Jews in the world is not a black and white issue, and it is certainly NOT all white. If you cant see that, we are both wasting time discussing such issues. (on my part I respond to such points not for you, but for the benefit of others who may happen to read our posts)

[Guest guest]

"I understand your attachment to your race shiva, but your attachment to the truth should be greater."

 

what an ignorant statement,these kind of ideas are what

i try to dispell.

 

judaism is not a race,are The black hebrews my race ?

Lets see, I have blue eyes,blond hair,very light skin,

and look like a so called "teuton" much more

then most white supremacists,hitler looks

swarthy next to me.

 

Are jews a race ? are they an ethnicity ?

well there are jews from arab countries who

look exactly like arabs ,jews from Greece who

look exactly like greeks,jews from france

who look exactly like frenchmen,jews from

ireland who look irish,jews from russia who look

russian,jews from england who look english.

 

How is a jew any different then a christian ?

they are both religions,would you call a christian

a race ? aren't the original christians all jews ?

and their converts ?

So first you must see within yourself a bigoted

uneducated vision ,then you need to add that to your

uneducated version of history.

 

You and others who have a lack of historical learning

and who accept disinformation from other bigots,

always make foolish statements concerning "jewish"

control over europe in the past.

 

Until Napolean in the early 19th century jews

were outlawed from even walking down the street

in almost every section of a town or city,

they were not allowed to hold 90% of jobs available to

everyone else,they were not allowed to travel freely,

and on and on.

 

Napolean changed that,until then for over a thousand years

jews were treated like blacks in the american south

after the civil war,they were subject to pogroms

or mass killings,burning at the stake for being jewish,

torture for being jews,and during the long

years of the inquisitions were forced to flee from

country to country or be killed if they didn't convert,

and even if they did convert their wealth was stolen

and they were treated as jews anyways,Nobody

expects the SPANISH INQUISITION !!

 

For a few years under Napolean things changed,

as soon as Napolean was defeated,all things went back to

the way they were before,the pope who

was defeated by Napolean once again excluded

jews from freedom.

 

This is history,you can read about it in thousands

of history books and academic studies.

 

The foolish propagandists tell us that even though the

jews were treated like third class peons that still

they managed to rule society.

 

They ruled over the very people who wouldn't let them walk down the same street,Ruled over the Vaticans power that dominated

southern europe,ruled over the Lutherans who dominated

over northern europe,both who hated the jews both

who had laws keeping jews on the run and in poverty,

yet somehow those tricky demon jews ruled over all.

 

what do they have for these ridiculous theories ?

 

Propaganda tracts written by christian preachers,

other then that they point to a few bankers,

 

(these bankers worked for the aristocracy and the vatican,

according to the bible "usury" or banking was

verboten,taboo,not allowed,so the christian

aristocracy would employ jews as fronts for

their banking empires,always as fronts,

never as actual owners,Rothschild worked

for the wealthiest king in europe,Frederick,

and for the Vatican,That family was a front

as were all the rest,this is factual history)

 

in this way 99% of the jews lived

in a very hostile third class situation they were never

able to dominate the ruling class of europe,

all the kings,princes,dukes,barons,queens,landed gentry,

banking houses,merchant houses,popes,cardinals,

bishops,governments etc. all of these who had a lock

on land and wealth for over 1500 years and who excluded

jews from even working at 90% of jobs, somehow these

extremely powerfull dynastic families with unbelievable

amounts of wealth ,somehow a couple jews were

ruiling over them all ?

 

What kind of evidence are there for these theories ?

 

nothing,period,pure unadultered propaganda,which led

to the inquisitions,and the holocaust.

[Guest guest]

"the isssue of this thread has nothing to do with conspiracy theories (are Jews the brahmanas of the West). to repeat myself:"

 

"When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the races of man in their intense hatred and contempt for all races but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews' religious writings or from a study of the Jews' behavior toward non-Jews."

 

"When British newsman William Cash, Los Angeles correspondent for London's Daily Telegraph , reported late last year in a magazine article the simple fact that the executives in Hollywood's motion picture industry are nearly all Jews, they shrieked at him, "Hater!" and denied his fact. When spokesmen for the National Alliance, America's premier patriotic organization, discuss on the group's radio programs the Jewish control of the news and entertainment media or Jewish backing for gun confiscation or for racial mixing, the Jews also denounce them as "haters," and a call goes out to prohibit "hate" on the airwaves."

 

 

"Another example of Jewish deception given by Professor Shahak concerns the etymology of the Yiddish word for a Gentile girl, shiksa . He cites the popular English-language book The Joys of Yiddish (New York, 1968), by Leo Rosten, which tells its readers that shiksa comes from the Hebrew word sheqetz , meaning "blemish." Writes Shahak, "This is a barefaced lie, as every speaker of Hebrew knows. The Megiddo Modern Hebrew-English Dictionary, published in Israel, correctly defines sheqetz as follows: `unclean animal; loathsome creature, abomination . . . .'"

 

"Israel Shahak is a rare Jew indeed, and his book is essential reading for anyone interested in the problem of the Jews."

 

He's one of the "rare" jews,the rest are

demons,but you weren't speaking of

anything but the thread topic ?

 

 

And then you tell of the horrors of the talmud,

and you use Martin Luther as your hero.

 

Luther had ideas which make the talmud pale

in comparision,thing was, the jews never enforced

or even followed the sections in thier books

that were anti gentile,this is historical fact.

 

not so for Luther,The jews were persecuted

using his instructions below for centuries,

hitler claimed he was

simply following orders,from Luther.

 

Here's a bit from our old friend Martin.

 

kill them all,let god sort them out

 

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

 

 

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

 

I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach

 

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[Kulapavana 0]

"So first you must see within yourself a bigoted

uneducated vision ,then you need to add that to your

uneducated version of history"

 

You are very confident in your own vision and your version of history. May it serve you well. Just to answer some of your points:

 

1. Jews are not a race.

 

Jews are a race (actually at least two, by their own admission: shepardhic and askhenazi), a religious denomination members(very divided, just like Christianity) and most importantly: a culture.

 

2. Jews were always victimized by others for no reason at all.

 

Jews were sometimes victimized as innocent scapegoats, but more often because they used and abused others in trade and social dealings. This trend still continues, just look at the current situation with Jewish mafia in Russia. Nazi hatred for Jews was rooted in several issues, such as their role in the spread of communism, their role in orchestrating the defeat of Germany in WW1 and stranglehold on financial system which by the way lead to hyperinflation in the 1920's and massive concentration of capital in jewish hands afterwards.

 

You should also read a little about the activities of Jews during and after the Bolshevik revolution in Russia to balance your "vision", and perhaps top it of with an uncensored history of the zionist movement and state of Israel. Maybe then it would dawn on you that Jews (like anybody else) had their share of both saints and demons. Your inability to even acknowledge a possibility of being wrong (arrogance?) is very typical, and pretty much shows in all your posts on this forum.

 

And to finish this exchange, food for thought for you:

 

bad things happen to people because they deserve it - it is called karma.

[Guest guest]

its always fun to speak with a bigot who thinks

he's a liberal, and that those who oppose his bigotry

are just plain ignant.

 

i dunno, i was under the impression that races were things

like caucasions and negroids,maybe you're right,

maybe i am ignorant and jews should be added to the list,

you know, caucasion,negroid,australiod,mongoloid,jew.

 

 

yep jews "more often then not" are bad people,can't argue with that.

 

i always though the russian mafiya was made up of

ex soviet KGB and military,and "jews",

although i was under the impression the "jews"

were raised atheists,with no religion,no ethnicity

except sovietsky,and absolutley no education or even

concept of judiasm except for their i.d. cards

that labeled them as jew,

and therefore meant second class

citizen in the anti semetic soviet union,i was under the impression that because of the anti semetic soviets

massive amounts of jews were sent to gulags,

in the "jewish" soviet union,slave labor

being cheap.

 

i was also under the impression that when jimmy carter

was complaining to the soviets when he was president

about the treatment of jews in soviet russia,

that the soviets emptied their gulags and sent

them all to america,having had to live a life of crime in the soviet aparthied against jews,all they knew was crime,

and with connections with the soviet KGB/Mafiya

back in mother russia,this was the start of the

russian mob,it is comprised of a combination

of ex KGB,ex miltary,ex government bureaucrats,

and ex petty criminals sent to the U.S.(brighton beach,little odessa),these so called jews are distinguished

from other russians by the word "jew" on their i.d.cards,

other then that they didn't even know what a jew was,

that is a fact,jack,but then again they are

born bad,they are jews.

 

WW1 ? your as ignorant on that as everything else,

both world wars were created by big business,for profit,

By the aristocracy.

 

among actual bolshevicks,10% were jewish.

When soviet union got rolling,they were killed,

and anti semetism became offical policy.

 

your knowledge of international finance sounds as if you

have read propaganda tracts and nothing else.

 

German non jewish cartels like I.G.Farben,owned by

the aristocracy in conjunction with other international

monopoly fascists led by the aristocracy,with their

cohorts the rockefellers,j.p.morgan,the british round table,the vatican,etc, these international banking

and merchant cartels(british royal family control

world grain cartels) which included some jews,

all worked together to make money off of war,

war is money,peace is not.

 

the zionist movement was created after 1500 years

of oppression,if you knew of the constant mass

killings of jews in russia,armenia,poland,

spain,and all throughout europe maybe you would

understand why they would want to live where it wasn't

against the law to be alive.

 

and then after saying how most jews are evil,

control the world for evil purposes,

have always been the bane of society,

have been the cause of all bad things,

and are a race,and therefore inately lower ,not a religion,

you end with asking me to see with a balanced

vision.

 

But then again,why bother,they are almost all

very bad people,they will rip you off,

drink your blood,steal your land,they are the bogeyman,

you read it in a book.

 

the jews aren't like the catholics,the catholics

dont have people in crime,the mafia is a myth,

j.edgar hoover said so.

 

The jews are behind all evil, throughout history

they have oppressed everyone else,put people

in ghettos,made laws against others,

commited genocide,inquisitions ,

oh no, that was everyone else in europe,

the master race,the good people.

 

And unlike other religions jews are a culture,when they

live in a country for hundreds or thousands of years,

they dont assimilate,they don't become like everyone

else, they stand out,you can tell just by lookin at em,

they have strange and different cultures,what

was that culture again ? ya know the "jewish"

culture ? ,i can't seem to picture it,i know you're right

and there is such a thing as a "jewish" culture,

i just don't what it is ,weird huh ?

 

s'pose that their religion is their culture,

i mean for people in other religions generally

you speak of the religion as a seperate thing

from their culture,at least in europe ,

i mean you have catholics who are of french culture,

german culture,italian culture,irish culture,

but no catholic culture.

 

i guess with jews it's different, they have "jewish"

culture, they are different culturally speaking ,

they aren't american or italian,or greek,or german,or irish

or french, they are "jews",and have a "jewish"

culture,whatever that is.

 

you can see it in Israel,jewish architecture,

jewish art,jewish food,jewish clothes,

jewish sports,jewish culture,

it's different then christian religion,

it's a culture,they are a race,and a culture,

and they are very bad,very very bad.

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[Guest guest]

Jewish culture is ancient and very real. in fact it's so strong it transcends borders, nations, languages. is there a lot of "genius" amongst Jews? of course. and "genius can be used for good or evil.

[Guest guest]

You seem to believe that Jews are evil and haters, and it is your right to do so. Hitler also hated the Jews, but for very different reasons :

 

Hitler believed that the Jews were overly moral and conscious :

 

"Conscience is a Jewish invention. It is a blemish, like circumcision.... There is no such thing as truth, either in the moral or in the scientific sense. The new man would be the antithesis of the Jew." (Sklar, p. 57-58)

 

Hitler did not believe in morality, consciousness or ethics, this is why he hated the Jews :

 

‘The Ten Commandments have lost their validity... Conscience is a Jewish invention. It is a blemish like circumcision ... The struggle for world domination is fought entirely between us, between the Germans and the Jews.’

(See Hermann Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, pp. 220, 242.)

 

Quoted from the Net: Hitler believed that before monotheism and the Jewish ethical vision came along, the world operated according to the laws of nature and evolution: survival of the fittest. The strong survived and the weak perished. But in a world operating according to a Divinely-dictated ethical system -- where a God-given standard applies and not anyone's might -- the weak did not need to fear the strong. As Hitler saw it, the strong were emasculated and he blamed the Jews for this.

 

Hitler hated the Jews and wanted to create a different type of man :

 

"A stronger generation will drive out the weaklings because in its ultimate form the urge to live will again and again. break the ridiculous fetters of a socalled 'humanity' of the individual, so that its place will be taken by the 'humanity of nature', which destroys weakness in order to give its place to strength." (Law of the fittest)

 

"Only when the time comes when the race is no longer overshadowed by the consciousness of its own guilt, then it will find internal peace and external energy to cut down regardlessly and brutally the wild shoots, and to pull up the weeds."

 

The nurture of the new humanity included the need to "encourage the growth of a violent, domineering, intrepid, cruel youth... nothing weak or tender in it." (Angeberts, p.209, Rauschning quoting Hitler)

 

‘The new man would be the antithesis of the Jew.’

 

Hitler despised intelligence :

 

"The intellect has grown autocratic and has become a disease of life,"

 

"We must distrust the intelligence and the conscience and must place our faith in our instincts."

 

"I am freeing men from the restraints of an intelligence that has taken charge; from the dirty and degrading mortifications of a chimera called conscience and morality"

 

Hitler believed in hatred and violence :

 

"...if a people is to become free it needs pride and will-power, defiance, hate, hate and once again hate."

 

"Brutality is respected. Brutality and physical strength. The plain man in the street respects nothing but brutal strength and ruthlessness."

 

"We want to be the supporters of the dictatorship of national reason, of national energy, of national brutality and resolution."

 

"Unless you are prepared to be pitiless you will get nowhere."

 

Hitler believed in barbarism :

"They referred to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians! We want to be barbarians! It is an honourable title. We shall rejuvenate the world! This world is near its end..." Hitler Speaks

 

 

Who Worships the Devil? The Jews or Hitler?

 

Please refer to 1st poster in http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/szyk/intro/wagner.htm

 

Follow excerpts from http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/thenewage.html and other postings, all in the Internet :

 

"While most Jews are sure that Hitler represented the Christian community, his associates knew better … Not only Hitler rejected Christianity, but that there is also ample research showing that Hitler founded far more than a political regime - the Third Reich was an occult-based religious movement."

 

"Hitler turned against Christianity from his early teens and sought his destiny in the occult. He later joined with associates who also embraced those teachings, and together they built a state guided by the same occultic principles and goals repeated in today's New Age."

 

"According to available sources (see above), Hitler first made contact in 1909 with other occultists, the first of these being Goerg Lanz von Lieberfels and Guido von List, after coming across their occultic-racist magazine _Ostara_ in Vienna. (Sklar, p.5)."

 

"By 1913, Adolf had passed the novice stage in his occult pursuits. (Carr, p.95) In 1918 (age 29) he claimed to hear voices announcing that he was "selected by God to be Germany's messiah" (Carr, p.36); later he made contact with an "ascended master" whom he identified as Lucifer or "the beast from the pit". He eventually became convinced he was the reincarnation of Woden (or, Woton)."

 

Hitler said :

 

"Providence has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am freeing men from the restrainst of an intelligence that has taken charge; from dirty and degrading self-mortifications of a false vision called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a freedom and personal independence which only a very few can bear." Hitler Speaks

 

 

And what about Islam ?

 

While Hitler ranted against Christianity and Judaism, expressing "a violent feeling of anger at the idea that some Germans were able to be taken in by theological doctrines devoid of any depth," he contrasted these hated teachings with "those of Confucius, of Buddha and of Mohammed" which provided spiritual "sustenance". (Angeberts, p.246) In this context, Hitler's friendship with Haj Amin al Husseini, Mufti of Jerusalem - which included asylum in 1941, the honorary rank of SS Major and an acceptable racial "genealogy" - can be understood as more a sign of respect than political expedience. There were even cases of Nazis relocating to Arab countries and converting to Islam. (p.275-276 note 14) In this opinion, Hitler had the backing of the Thule Society, whose founder Sebottendorf praised Islam for having a "vitality greater than that of Christianity" which flowed "from a torrent which nourished everything" - that same "thread of lost knowledge" which was the goal of the Nazi quest.

 

 

[Streetstraw 0]

If brahmana is not by birth, how can any mundane group claim to be categorically braminical?

And even if you say they are brahmanas, who's they? All jews? Meat-eating brahmanas?

[Guest guest]

we are all sudras in kaliyuga, no matter what race, what country and what religion we belong to. What we need to do is the invoke the love of God in all, so that we can leave this crazy world. So, the goal however, is not to create distinction between jews, hindus, christians and raksashas, it is to know the jews , hindus, christians and raksashas as- pure spirit souls. who are so unfortunate that they have forgotten their actual existence and are dwelling in the many levels of maya. Finally it is to realize God in a personal way, and leave this world. That is the main goal of spiritual seekers in kali yuga.

 

 

-loversoul character-

[Kulapavana 0]

"we are all sudras in kaliyuga, no matter what race, what country and what religion we belong to"

 

Not true at all! The verse: "kalau sudra sambhavah" to which you are probably referring means that in the age of kali everyone is BORN sudra, as the samskaras have no effect. therefore no one can claim their varna based on birth, only by guna and karma: nature and activities.

 

if we were all sudras why would Prabhupada want to re-establish varnashrama?

[Dervish 0]

if we were all sudras why would Prabhupada want to re-establish varnashrama?

 

Because by becoming Vaishnavas we go beyond this ignorant sudra mentality and lifestyle and have brahmin tendancies in the process. Read Brahmana and Vaishnava by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada.

[Streetstraw 0]

brahmana - lazy intelligent

ksatriya - active intelligent

vaisya - lazy foolish

sudra - active foolish

In this sense we all are born sudra.

SP also stated in no uncertain terms how teachers, police.. all have become sudra (or less) because they r accepting salary which ALWAYS compromises integrity.

Ksatriyas cannot accept charity or donations, yet our Congressional halls are lined with lobbyists (so-called vaisyas) literally buying off Senators & Reps (so-called ? ksatriyas) left and right.

In another place SP writes that lawyers should be ksatriyas while politicians should be brahmanas. Has anyone else seen that written or heard it spoken?

Similarly, law enforcement agents cannot accept bribes, less they degrade to vaisya or less. Enough said.

[Kulapavana 0]

"by becoming Vaishnavas we go beyond this ignorant sudra mentality and lifestyle and have brahmin tendancies in the process"

 

Prabhupada wanted us to re-establish varnashrama mostly for the benefit of non-devotees, to make their transition into a Vaishnava culture a little bit easier. based on Krishna's statement in Bhagavad-geeta ALL human beings fall within these four varnas created by Him, you can see it every day all over the world. the brahmana tendencies are there, the kshatriya tendencies are there - they just need to be properly engaged.

 

In Vedic times even danavas followed the varnashrama system. It is meant for ALL human beings, devotion to Krishna has nothing to do with it, and certainly it is NOT a prerequisite to participate in the varnashrama system.