Who AC Bhaktivedanta Swami in lila Sri Caitania.

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Çré Nityänanda Gosäïi is directly Haladhara [Lord Balaräma], and Advaita Äcärya is the Personality of Godhead Himself.

 

These two captains (sena-pati), with Their soldiers such as Çréväsa Öhäkura, travel everywhere, chanting the holy name of the Lord.

 

Thus Generals it Lord Balarama and Advaita Acaria, and their soldiers, such as Srivasa Thakur travel everywhere. It is understandable, that Srivasa Thakur heads all travelling preachers. The general among all alive essences it Srivasa Pandit. As He the general, as He heads all devotee in devoted service. As Srivasa Pandit blessed Lord Nityananda and Advaita Acaria, He shows their force and knowledge, and as Acaria of devotee all times and peoples, He knows all details of devoted service in perfection. Spiritual force Nityananda Prabhu, perfect knowledge Advaita Acaria and softness Srivasa Pandit. It is qualities Srila Prabhupada.

 

Lord Caitanya -

 

"Thereafter the Lord again and again asked him, “ Speak on! Speak on! ” Thus Çréväsa again and again described the pastimes of Våndävana, vividly expanding them.

 

Çréväsa Öhäkura extensively explained how the gopés were attracted to the forests of Våndävana by the vibration of Kåñëa’s flute and how they wandered together in the forest.

, Çréväsa Paëòita narrated all the pastimes enacted during the six changing seasons. He described the drinking of honey, the celebration of the räsa dance, the swimming in the Yamunä, and other such incidents.

 

When the Lord, hearing with great pleasure, said, “ Go on speaking! Go on speaking! ” Çréväsa Öhäkura described the räsa-lélä dance, which is filled with transcendental mellows."

 

The house Srila Prabhupada it refuge of all world, astrologists appears are not mistaken it happens. That the house Srivasa Acaria it refuge all prema, him such and dream could not.

 

But itself Srila Prabhupada is mood Srimati Radharani in separation or mood Sri Krisna Caitania.

 

As the mood defines(determines) a spiritual nature, therefore very quietly it is possible to tell that Srila Prabhupada it sacti avesa avatara the Lord Caitania and Sri Mayapur it is top Goloka, at least it is maximum rasa.

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As Narada Muni, Srila Prabhupada the spiritual master Vyasa, Prahlada Maharadja and Dhruva. He best of the sons the Lord Brahma. Narada Muni has passed here all from Brahmaloka up to Patala. Probably can the argument will appear that Srila Prabhupada saw Narada Muni, but it just as Gosvami, were in games Sri Caitanya are and in Krisna lila simultaneously. Here all disiples Srila Prabhupada, and Srila Prabhupada the direct disiples Krisna.

 

" Närada is the direct disciple of Kåñëa and the spiritual master of Vyäsa. "

 

Therefore "scientific character" Srila Prabhupada, it is maximum spiritual scientific. And consequently He distributes true spiritual knowledge, which is combined with all on light and thousand spiritual moods are in complete harmony on pages of His books.

 

Nobody is equal to Him and nobody above Him, among alive essences, therefore Krisna, the Supreme Person of the God and has sent Him to begin this gold century Sri Cayatanya Mahaprabhu.

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When have constructed Krisna-Balaram Mandir in Vrindavan, the local inhabitants have told that Prabhupada in sakhya, on wha Srila Prabhupada laughed, because the simple inhabitants Vrindavan quickly have understood His mood in games Krisna. But what to hide this fact, Prabhupada has told - " It is an advertising gimmick , in Vrindavan you see already there are a lot of Deities Radha-Krisna " (is obvious not mathurya) And already seriously has added - " we have constructed this temple what to attract Vrindavan in games the Lord Caytanya ". Devotee Sri Caitanya preach everywhere, even in Vrindavan, as occupy a superior situation or with the purposes of to increase spiritual happiness.

 

Therefore where we have not set off now, everywhere we shall meet Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada works, it is His movement, this our movement and it refuge for all. All demigods there are such as Lord Siva and Hanuman, all transcendentl the knowledge is present, all bhava and all prema is accessible through Srila Prabhupada. As Srila Srivasa Pandit, Srila Prabhupada is very skilled what to increase spiritual taste by infinity, therefore it is possible to understand His unique statement sastra. As Srila Srivasa Pandit, Srila Prabhupada knows all. To His description the rasa lila listens even Lord Caitanya, therefore it seems that it is very useful to all of us even in the theory to understand.

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Thus Srila Prabhupada in games the Lord Caitanya it Srivasa Pandit, in Krisna lila at Him the friendly relations, in installed He is born as the son the Lord Brahma.

 

Srivasa Thakur, the representative by all Panca-tattva, coming as sakti avesa avatara the Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, has a name Srila Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupada. Such embodiment also is the General the Lord Caitanya, that is abundantly clear.

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Therefore probably almost everything, that is written in the books, it is enormous direct experience Srila Prabhupada. He "does not write" on a basis sastra, it is understandable Srila Prabhupada refers on sastra, as it is the standard, but actually He even and should not refer neither on Vyasa, nor on Ìàdhvacaria for example, because under all clauses it is Their spiritual master. Even listening the descriptions from the Lord Brahma, really, Narada Muni does not require explanations, as it is the eternally released person, a course of events nevertheless is those.

 

Probably almost everything, that would not be described in the books, Srila Prabhupada saw Itself directly, for example when He writes about infinite patala in this installed, He simply saw them. He knows all demigods, sacred and various ekspansion of the God. Only Srila Prabhupada secret realization Sukadeva Gosvami it mantra " om namo bhagavate tubhyam vasudevaia dhimahi pradiumnaya anirudhaya namah sankarsanaya ca" probably can write that, with pleasure I bring her, as Sukadeva Gosvami the eternal companion Srimati Radharani, is possible to coordinate. Srila Prabhupada describes many details, which and to learn(find out) that it is possible only directly probably.

 

As Narada Muni He blessing Dhruva Maharaja, He was present at all events with Prahlada Maharaja - ".. he has had a drink poison, it was pure poison.. ". Srila Prabhupada it is not necessary to go on darsan to Vyasadeva, He should not study sastra, to Him in general nothing it(he) is necessary to do for self-realization, as and so the completely self-realized Person.

 

Srila Prabhupada has all siddha and describing mystical yoga, writes it as in perfection understanding a subject. He by the way blessing real mistiks. Describing unity, Srila Prabhupada will carry out(spend) on edge(territory) infinite impersonalism. Probably only Srila Prabhupada can speak actually about unity of soul with the God, not running in impersonalism.

 

Therefore He also is similar I reign in spiritual life. The general can be only expansion Nityananda Prabhu or Àdvaita Acarii and presence Nityananda Prabhu we see in to breadth of actions Srila Prabhupada, but it basically a little bit external aspect, the internal aspect this mood Srila Prabhupada, reflection of mood the Lord Caitanya, therefore Lord Caitanya and has told - " my general " will come. And as Srila Prabhupada the general the Lord Caitanya, all His plans are executed. A various sort of "doubt" Srila Prabhupada on which the talented observers specify, it is simple yoga ìaya, what to strengthen mood of separation.

 

Therefore actually Srila Prabhupada has continued parampara, and in the certain sense He and has established her in final variant, as it was supposed. Passing the books Srila Prabhupada can be and that is possible that to practise, always it is possible that íèáóäü to practise, with it the problems here will not be, but to understand in a reality even and, it will seems difficultly. We see, that the soul has many abilities. As hardly there will be an opportunity to understand the Lord Caitanya, passing parampara. But what to understand the books books Srila Prabhupada, it is necessary to follow them and following for books Srila Prabhupada it not formal process. " You can 24 hours in day read my books, they think that I wrote them only for distribution ". If we shall understand the books, we can and preach really mac citta mad gata prana, Krisna katha it is the books Prabhupada. The basis only is possible by a various image to support âåðó, but knowledge. We not ïðåâçîøëè ïîëóáîãîâ, we not ïðåâçîøëè Vaikuntha, we can directly speak about Krisna, as it is essence of spiritual life, nevertheless formally bypassing categories, we can not work in real time. While the level sraddha will be high enough, problems will not be, but if sraddha will be reduced, ground without knowledge will not be. The meditation it certainly part of spiritual life, but meditation a roundabout way, is possible I complicate. Is not present to sense in sentiments in the relations, is not present to sense in the circuits, though the circuits on my sight are much better. Real mechanisms all the same work, the reality and she(it) just works and is described in the books Srila Prabhupada, therefore following them, everyone can be in complete spiritual safety and everyone can receive all spiritual life and as through the books, Srila Prabhupada communicates with each of us.

 

PS Told means that other books are necessary, that since today all conversations, as I consider, should begin with the citation of the book Prabhupada , I simply wanted to tell that the books much more deeply than we think and that the books Srila Prabhupada much more surpass all other books. The books Srila Prabhupada surpass all other books without any doubts. Somewhat Srila Prabhupada the standard did not establish, as it is already made up to Him, He simply has given us already pure nektar of spiritual life, about what He and spoke.

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In connection with verses sixteen and seventeen, Çré Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvaté Öhäkura explains in his Anubhäñya: “There are specific symptoms by which the internal devotees and the unalloyed or pure devotees are to be known. All unalloyed devotees are çakti-tattvas, or potencies of the Lord. Some of them are situated in conjugal love and others in filial affection, fraternity and servitude. Certainly all of them are devotees, but by making a comparative study it is found that the devotees or potencies who are engaged in conjugal love are better situated than the others. Thus devotees who are in a relationship with the Supreme Personality of Godhead in conjugal love are considered to be the most confidential devotees of Lord Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu. Those who engage in the service of Lord Nityänanda Prabhu and Lord Advaita Prabhu generally have relationships of parental love, fraternity, servitude and neutrality. When such devotees develop great attachment for Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu, they too become situated within the intimate circle of devotees in conjugal love.” This gradual development of devotional service is described by Çré Narottama däsa Öhäkura as follows:

 

gauräìga balite habe pulaka çaréra

hari hari balite nayane ba’be néra

ära kabe nitäicäìda karuëä karibe

saàsära-väsanä mora kabe tuccha habe

viñaya chäòiyä kabe çuddha habe mana

kabe häma heraba çré-våndävana

rüpa-raghunätha-pade ha-ibe äkuti

kabe häma bujhaba çré-yugala-piréti

 

“When will there be eruptions on my body as soon as I chant the name of Lord Caitanya, and when will there be incessant torrents of tears as soon as I chant the holy names Hare Kåñëa? When will Lord Nityänanda be merciful toward me and free me from all desires for material enjoyment? When will my mind be completely freed from all contamination of desires for material pleasure? Only at that time will it be possible for me to understand Våndävana. Only if I become attached to the instructions given by the six Gosvämés, headed by Rüpa Gosvämé and Raghunätha däsa Gosvämé, will it be possible for me to understand the conjugal love of Rädhä and Kåñëa.” By attachment to the devotional service of Lord Caitanya Mahäprabhu one immediately comes to the ecstatic position. When he develops his love for Nityänanda Prabhu he is freed from all attachment to the material world, and at that time he becomes eligible to understand the Lord’s pastimes in Våndävana. In that condition, when one develops his love for the six Gosvämés, he can understand the conjugal love between Rädhä and Kåñëa. These are the different stages of a pure devotee’s promotion to conjugal love in the service of Rädhä and Kåñëa in an intimate relationship with Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu.

 

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Thus without knowledge of greatness Nityananda Prabhu, the understanding of games Vrindavan is not possible according to Sri Narottama dasa Thakura. Lord Nityananda a source of all embodiments, He as a source of the material world, therefore true spiritual master learns to spiritual science, since the description of unity and difference of the material world from the Supreme Person of the God. Sukadeva Goswami tells by nine song before to begin the description by tenth.

 

Srila Jiva Goswami writes about greatness of the God -

 

"Srila Jiva Gosvami, therefore, says that since the transcendental form of the Lord is the seed of all greatness, He is the Supreme Brahman. "

 

Gopi know about greatness Krisna -

 

“ O Partha, the gopis know My greatness, My loving service, respect for Me, and My mentality. Others cannot really know these. ”

 

Srimad Bhagavatam also is devoted suddha bhakti -

 

ei ‘çuddha-bhakti’ — — ihä haite ‘premä’ haya

 

païcarätre, bhägavate ei lakñaëa kaya

 

" These activities are called çuddha-bhakti, pure devotional service. If one renders such pure devotional service, he develops his original love for Kåñëa in due course of time. In Vedic literatures like the Païcarätras and Çrémad-Bhägavatam, these symptoms are described. " Ìadhya 19.169

 

The study Bhagavatam is an attribute of pure devoted service -

 

" The basis of all transcendental mellows is the hero and the heroine, and Çrématé Rädhäräëé and Lord Kåñëa, the son of Mahäräja Nanda, are the best.

 

" Now hear how the mellows appear and how they are realized by the devotees on different transcendental platforms.

 

" ' Those who are completely washed of all material contamination by pure devotional service, who are always satisfied and brightly enlightened in the heart, who are always attached to understanding the transcendental meaning of Çrémad-Bhägavatam, who are always eager to associate with advanced devotees, whose happiness in the service of the lotus feet of Govinda is their very life, who always discharge the confidential activities of love-for such advanced devotees, who are by nature situated in bliss, the seed of love [rati] is expanded in the heart by previous and current reformatory processes. Thus the mixture of ecstatic ingredients becomes tasty and, being within the perception of the devotee, reaches the highest platform of wonder and deep bliss. ’

 

Having realized greatness the Lord Nityananda, the person can understand games Vrindavan, then begins to follow in the steps Goswami. But four "lowest" races rise on a level mathurya of race, worshipping Lord Caitanya. Therefore sermon represents the Lord Caitanya and any race becomes mathurya, adjoining with Lord Caitanya, under the above-stated statement Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati and further was described as it occurs.

 

The sermon is based on nine processes

 

"The cult of Kåñëa consciousness, based on the nine principles of devotional service (çravaëaà kértanaà viñëoù smaraëaà päda-sevanam/ arcanaà vandanaà däsyaà sakhyam ätma-nivedanam), will never be stopped. It will go on without distinction of caste, creed, color or country. No one can check it."

 

"Always thinking of Kåñëa, devising means by which to spread the holy name of Kåñëa, he understands that his only business is in spreading the Kåñëa consciousness movement all over the world. Such a person is to be recognized as an uttama-adhikäré, and his association should be immediately accepted according to the six processes (dadäti pratigåhëäti, etc.). Indeed, the advanced uttama-adhikäré Vaiñëava devotee should be accepted as a spiritual master."

 

Bhaktivedanta Swami -

 

"The arcana-märga, or the devotional path prescribed in the Païcarätra system of devotional service for worshiping the Deity in the temple, makes the devotee think constantly of the Lord; that is samädhi, or trance. "

 

SB 5.19.10

 

" In his own book, known as Närada Païcarätra, Bhagavän Närada has very vividly described how to work to achieve the ultimate goal of life — devotion — through knowledge and through execution of the mystic yoga system. He has also described the glories of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The great sage Närada instructed the tenets of this transcendental literature to Sävarëi Manu in order to teach those inhabitants of Bhärata-varña who strictly follow the principles of varëäçrama-dharma how to achieve the devotional service of the Lord. Thus Närada Muni, along with the other inhabitants of Bhärata-varña, always engages in the service of Nara-Näräyaëa, and he chants as follows. "

 

PURPORT

 

Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu has clearly declared:

 

bhärata-bhümite haila manuñya-janma yära

janma särthaka kari’ kara para-upakära

 

The real success or fulfillment of the mission of human life can be achieved in India, Bhärata-varña, because in Bhärata-varña the purpose of life and the method for achieving success are evident. People should take advantage of the opportunity afforded by Bhärata-varña, and this is especially so for those who are following the principles of varëäçrama-dharma. If we do not take to the principles of varëäçrama-dharma by accepting the four social orders (brähmaëa, kñatriya, vaiçya and çüdra) and the four orders of spiritual life (brahmacäré, gåhastha, vänaprastha and sannyäsa), there can be no question of success in life. Unfortunately, because of the influence of Kali-yuga, everything is now being lost. The inhabitants of Bhärata-varña are gradually becoming degraded mlecchas and yavanas. How then will they teach others? Therefore, this Kåñëa consciousness movement has been started not only for the inhabitants of Bhärata-varña but for all the people of the world, as announced by Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu. There is still time, and if the inhabitants of Bhärata-varña take this movement of Kåñëa consciousness seriously, the entire world will be saved from gliding down to a hellish condition. The Kåñëa consciousness movement follows the process of païcarätrika-vidhi and that of bhägavata-vidhi simultaneously, so that people can take advantage of the movement and make their lives successful.

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Those who engage in the service of Lord Nityänanda Prabhu and Lord Advaita Prabhu generally have relationships of parental love, fraternity, servitude and neutrality. When such devotees develop great attachment for Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu, they too become situated within the intimate circle of devotees in conjugal love.”

 

Devotees Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu all in conjugal love.

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In the lineages from Sri Caitanya, the guru is always identified as a Manjari (with the name given in one's guru pranali, along with those of all of the gurus in one's line). That is the norm and that is the standard. These whimsical theories about identities of one's guru are just that - mental speculation. Anyone coming in the lines from Sri Nityananda, Sri Advaitacarya, Sri Gadadhara, Sri Gopala Bhatta Goswami and Sri Narottama Thakur are by definition saktyavesa (endowed with power), as are their disciples that are following properly and teaching in accordance with the doctrines of the Six Goswamis. The degree of sakti is going to be in accordance with their level of realization, of course, but they are all saktyavesa. To think otherwise is to consider Vaishnavas as ordinary persons, and hence Vaishnava aparadha. Avataras are Visnu-tattva. One does not need to make a stretch and somehow assign a preacher of Caitanya's religion to a status of a God. Just being a Vaishnava is enough in itself. The status of Manjari is most coveted, as they experience the bliss of the Sakhis multiplied and even more intensely. Is that not a high enough position? Do we need to seek for some special Avatara status in addition to that?

 

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Traditionally the guru has his external form as the sadhaka in Nabadwip lila and a Manjari form in Vrndavan lila. Your idea, as interesting as it is, is not according to the standards already set. Sorry.

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KailAsaji: u left out 2 last lines of GaurAnga Balite Habe.

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Thanks.

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Thus all devoted Lord Caitanya are in mathuriya to race and statement that in the books Srila Prabhupada that that lacks, are senseless.

 

As confirms Srila Prabhupada -

ØÁ 2.7.53.

 

"The science of learning a subject matter seriously is different from the sentiments of fanatics. Fanatics or fools may consider the Lord’s activities in relation with the external energy to be useless for them, and they may falsely claim to be higher participants in the internal energy of the Lord, but factually the Lord’s activities in relation with the external energy and the internal energy are equally good. On the other hand, those who are not completely free from the clutches of the Lord’s external energy should devoutly hear regularly about the activities of the Lord in relation with the external energy. They should not foolishly jump up to the activities of the internal energy, falsely attracted by the Lord’s internal potential activities like His räsa-lélä. The cheap reciters of the Bhägavatam are very much enthusiastic about the Lord’s internal potential activities, and the pseudodevotees, absorbed in material sense enjoyment, falsely jump to the stage of liberated souls and thus fall down deeply into the clutches of external energy.

 

Some of them think that to hear about the pastimes of the Lord means to hear about His activities with the gopés or about His pastimes like lifting the Govardhana Hill, and they have nothing to do with the Lord’s plenary expansions as the puruñävatäras and Their pastimes of the creation, maintenance or annihilation of the material worlds. But a pure devotee knows that there is no difference between the pastimes of the Lord, either in räsa-lélä or in creation, maintenance or destruction of the material world. Rather, the descriptions of such activities of the Lord as the puruñävatäras are specifically meant for persons who are in the clutches of the external energy."

 

As the moods (bhava) of the matrimonial relations are in CC, the race lila is exact just as the description or race lilas, as writes Srila Prabhupada. Sraddha in the spiritual teacher opens before the person the spiritual world. But who can tell that - " is how many that of spiritual authorities? " Therefore that also is spoken, that it is necessary to listen from pure devotee. Spiritual sound and spiritual connection are not material, the transfer of spiritual knowledge is not similar to transfer of the electrical category outgoing from guru in the devotee as writes Srila Prabhupada. Service of more important direct dialogue. Therefore following in the steps PURE DEVOTEE also is to key success. Following PARAMPARA a key to success as speak sacred sastra. Among sacred naimisarahya Sukadeva Gosvami speak the conclusion known as SB and even more secret knowledge is stated in CC, that as it is necessary to perceive in parampara and from pure devotee. Certainly, if our purpose simply to return, it not a sin, but if we try to follow in the steps pure devotee, it them absolutely other subject.

 

The situation Srila Prabhupada is "higher" than a situation Narada Muni. Srila Prabhupada has told that we shall create ISKCON in the spiritual world, but it(him) by him(it) and to create it is not necessary, as it(he) and exists and Srila Prabhupada eternally preaches travelling from one installed in another. Srila Prabhupada calls - "dance" and everyone dance. There, where except for a pub and not clear kind of religion nothing was, begins to blossom spiritual life. Simply in presence Srila Prabhupada shows all latent internal energy. Can be hippies had qualification? Srila Prabhupada writes - " devoted service can carry out everything, outside of qualification ". The force of His love is those, all qualification is simple having stepped on quay NY was shown. This sight Srila Prabhupada on Western world, it eternal the race in which is mixed love To the God and great compassion to the caused souls. It not material compassion, it compassion at a level prema. Srila Prabhupada is eternal travels on the material worlds and it is possible to think - What? Eternally is in the material world? But pure devotee does not do(make) distinctions between paradise and hell. Seeing samadhi Srila Prabhupada, it is difficult to the caused soul to understand this type samadhi. Srila Prabhupada has brought spiritual life and has born(taken out) a final verdict from any point of view including from the point of view of race. Sattva guna or transcendent a situation it not a usual situation, transcendent a statement it not stories of the material world, all race is verses and comment. If race or transcendent a statement proceed from mouth (books) pure devotee, the plant of fidelity develops by a remarkable image, not deviating, in sambhoga for example, under a kind of pure devoted service. Srila Prabhupada writes - " sambhoga, it sahadjia vada ". Gosvami would write sastra what to soften "sufferings" the Lord Caitanya and neither Lord Caitanya nor Gosvami did not preach sambhoga. Srila Prabhupada anger, when heard about clubs gopi and similar. Completely clearly that having told - " me surround kanistha adhikari " Srila Prabhupada simply has named things as the names, that in any way nobody belittles if to think closely(attentively).

 

As to svarupa Srila Prabhupada, for me personally all is obvious. Such conclusions DID NOT RESULT OF RESERCES or reflections. So it happens sometimes, that final result at first is reached, and later there come reflections and study sastra. Everyone, who is in the spiritual world know all about such subjects. Demigods know. Pure devotee and demigods know as whence there comes soul in the material world and do not reduce all science of fidelity to the certain formulas of "maximum" love. Nitya siddha it not kantstha adhikari, doing(making) first steps on "opening" the spiritual world. Probably who establishes that of the relation, but it is different things to establish the relation or to serve of the Supreme Person of the God life behind life. For such person as Srila Prabhupada here all kantstha adhikari. For us kantstha adhikari it is devotee come in movement 5-10 years back for example, and those who has reached(achieved) the spiritual world for us it uttama adhikari, but from the point of view Srila Prabhupada all looks a little differently. Who that hastens in the spiritual world, but who that comes HERE from the spiritual world. If to get(start) conversation on pure fidelity, pure devotee there is no aspiration to reach(achieve) and maximum planet of the spiritual world - Goloki Vrindavana, as it as a part of unmotivated fidelity. There are many rules(situations) concerning to pure fidelity. Pure fidelity it not game in checkers by him(it), type main to become by the large pawn. To learn(find out) final result, as writes Sridhara Svami and to simulate it(him).

 

By the way it is the freshening fact - celebrating of the phenomenon the Lord Siva (Moskow) and good variant of the additional sermon. In general those who is shipped in race of usually such things do not notice - demigods, brahmaloka and Vaikuntha. Lord Brahma and Vaikuntha it at all OURS parampara, ours parampara it gopi. What you attracts Vaikuntha? It not highly, not that svarupa. But Narottama dasa Thakur writes that everyone, who is attracted Lord Caitanya rise on a level mathurya of race. The theory that svarupa is clear correctly as however and that concerns to demigods. Yadu with demigods is not connected, as however and part gopi to demigods of the relation have no. Probably with what that by a mystical image, not adjoining neither with demigods, nor with Vaikuntha of the person are transferred on Goloka, in mathurya race, in the left wing manjari. In general that right a wing more restrained, the heroine of the left wing beats beloved and flower if what, whether they will train interestingly? If all to decorate with such names as Bhaktivinoda Thakur, anything so leaves. Àõ, yes it is possible still to add and Bhaktivedanta Svami, but Srila Prabhupada has written the books and these books read. And as Srila Prabhupada pure devotee and yuga acariya on race including, even trying to follow on His stops, all clears up. The roundabout way in the form of meditation as suits, but the meditation and spontaneous fidelity is different things. If to speak about race or taste, the comments Srila Prabhupada are continuous race in what relations the person would not be with the God. Though basically Srila Prabhupada conducts to top of the spiritual world and it not sambhoga. So it materialistik to divide into "maximum - lowest", mathurya race top, but top in spiritual sense and in the same spiritual sense there is no difference between races in what spiritual sense we understand "higher - lower"? That writes Bhaktivinoda Thakur, what writes SBST, probably we are already at their level or can a rule(situation) Srila Prabhupada be lower? Parampara it not mine guru - yours guru ". Already at a level raga bhakti the person is connected to Supersoul. Already at a level raga bhakti all questions with guru are decided(solved) and it is not necessary to run there here in searches " correct " guru. One devotee (devotee ISKCON in searches of depths of spiritual life) has asked Puri Maharaja - " do not tell what or about raga bhakti? " Puri Maharaja has answered - " raga bhakti, ðàãà it is anger ". I once again shall try to inform it basically not the complex(difficult) message - Srila Prabhupada it is the yuga àcariya in parampara, He has established and how to preach and what to preach and all as to race and race bhasa. All is determined and only humility separates from the Person of the God. " Êanistha adhikari following envy invent own methods of spiritual life ". Envy, envy where I already heard it? I heard pratistha, but look the friends, and here pratistha if business in envy are deeper. At absence of envy, not so it is complex(difficult) to find general(common) language or administrative unity. The unity in a subject also is not necessary to create of a sect. To have one guru, of the manager of all organization it probably is good, now uttama adhikari, but what is farther? Sastra not speaks that from 1000 aspiring to perfection 1000 also reaches(achieves) it(him) immediately. At SBST as was of examples enough.

 

In games the Lord Caitanya Srila Prabhupada it Srivasa Pandit, and as Bhaktivedanta Svami He preaches continuously and it as one of the reasons that all already is known, though, certainly, the spiritual ecstasy is increased continuously and the spiritual variety is not limited. If to leave material variety, spiritual and will be shown accordingly. But the spiritual variety will not disappear, because it and makes spiritual taste or race.

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Without taking reference to the sastras, it is incorrect to draw these inferences.

[kailasa 0]

Hari bol. Gaura Lila is higher Krisna lila. The generals it Nityananda Prabhu and Advaita Acariya, what problems. Follow in the steps Gosvami, the situation Prabhupada is not lower neither BSST, nor Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Write particularly, the reasonings " that in parampara " are a kindergarten, spiritual life it not the circuit, when you will understand that mood Lord Caitanya this maximum mood, anything above is not present, SP finally has finished all previous sermon and He heads her(it) as Srivasa Pandit.

[Rati 0]

Kailasa, you need to seek out a siksa guru that can provide some guidance. These mental speculations are just that and have no basis in any of the teachings of the acaryas. We know you mean well and appear to be a sincere seeker of the goal of prema, just misguided at present.

 

As far as the Caitanya lila you are referring to, that is a continuous movement that started over five centuries ago and continues in the present day. To not think of persons involved in that movement as part of that lila and to have to somehow place them as Mahaprabhu's direct associates shows a lack of understanding of that fact.

 

For the most part your postings are not very clear for those of us that are native speakers of English. Perhaps you should get some assistance from someone with better command of the language until you have mastered it yourself.

 

You should not be concerned with the possibility that Srivasa Pandit may or may not have decided to appear at the end of the nineteenth century. Instead, you should only concern yourself with perfecting your own practice of bhakti. Unless you save yourself first, there is no chance of you saving others.

 

[This message has been edited by Rati (edited 04-16-2002).]

[kailasa 0]

Srivasa Pandit in Krisna lila not in mathurya rasa, but in Gaura lila He in mathurya rasa, what yours speak acariya in this occasion? You see He not manjari, awful mistake.

 

Gaura lila it Krisna lila extending everywhere, in the spiritual world, in material, is eternal. Sri Krisna Caitanya - Supreme person of the God. Lord Caitanya it does not meet neither Radha, nor Krisna, probably one more mistake ours acariya. Devotee reaches perfection simultaneously realizing itself and in games Sri Caitanya and in games Krisna.

 

" In the end kali yuga last of my diciples to return to the spiritual world " is basically concerns to the preachers and not only to ISKCON or GM, it concerns and to other religions.

 

The thank for your advice(councils) at me is both siksa guru and diksa guru. You should understand that there is a spiritual life, instead of blindly to follow. At NM there are a lot of mistakes in the books, and the diciples speak one and too, actually it is not enough that understanding.

 

What offers were not clear to you?

[kailasa 0]

Srivasa Pandit in Krisna lila not in mathurya rasa, but in Gaura lila He in mathurya rasa, what yours speak acariya in this occasion? You see He not manjari, awful mistake.

 

Gaura lila it Krisna lila extending everywhere, in the spiritual world, in material, is eternal. Sri Krisna Caitanya - Supreme person of the God. Lord Caitanya it does not meet neither Radha, nor Krisna, probably one more mistake ours acariya. Devotee reaches perfection simultaneously realizing itself and in games Sri Caitanya and in games Krisna.

 

" In the end kali yuga last of my diciples to return to the spiritual world " is basically concerns to the preachers and not only to ISKCON or GM, it concerns and to other religions.

 

The thank for your advice(councils) at me is both siksa guru and diksa guru. You should understand that there is a spiritual life, instead of blindly to follow. At NM there are a lot of mistakes in the books, and the diciples speak one and too, actually it is not enough that understanding.

 

What offers were not clear to you?

[kailasa 0]

âèíîâàò äâà ðàçà íàïå÷àòàë.

[Rati 0]

Unfortunately I do not have time to go through all of your posts and point out all of the places where your English is not clear in meaning, Kailasa. As I suggested before, you would benefit by getting some assistance with it from someone who has a better commmand of the language. Your last post came out as a bunch of meaningless letters with diacritical markings. I am not sure what you are stating about manjaris. Gaura-ganodessa-dipika identifies Srivasa Pandita as Narada Muni in Krsna lila. So, although most of Caitanya's associates are identified in Krsna lila as gopis (sakhis or manjaris), not all of them are.

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I have a lot to say on this,to much for here.

At- gaudiya.net- I had a long debate, there at the forums-debate,I'm shiva there also.

I'd like your comments.

[Avinash 0]

âèíîâàò äâà ðàçà íàïå÷àòàë.

 

 

Can't make out even a single letter.

 

[kailasa 0]

to shiva

 

Will give the address?

 

 

to Rati

 

Gaura lila above Krisna lila.

 

Sri Krisna Caitanya - Supreme person of the God.

 

Devotee reaches perfection simultaneously realizing itself and in games Sri Caitanya and in games Krisna.

 

I have both siksa guru and diksa guru.

 

At NM there are a lot of mistakes in the books.

 

"Srivasa Pandita as Narada Muni"

 

Yes, it is very good. Therefore theory that teach only manjari does not prove to be true.

 

"from someone who has a better commmand of the language."

 

There can be you? Even sometimes.

 

"I do not have time to go through all of your posts and point out all of the places where your English is not clear in meaning"

 

OK, it is possible simply to continue and if there is a desire to understand, all becomes understandable.

 

 

To Avinash

 

"Can't make out even a single letter."

 

Too most for me English.

 

âèíîâàò äâà ðàçà íàïå÷àòàë. - Is guilty two times has printed.

[Avinash 0]

Kailasa,

I have been reading your posts for long. Now, I can at least get the essence of what you want to say provided the words used by you are only in English. But some of the words used by you contain characters which are none of the 26 letters of English alphabet.

[Rati 0]

Actually those are his special fonts that probably look OK at his end, but do not come out quite right here. It would be great of we could employ the standard diacritical markings for Devanagari (Sanskrit), as well as the original text, but the Unicode fonts for Devanagari and diacritical text have too many problems as of this date. Kailash - take a look at the Kyoto-Harvard standard for transliteration:

http://users.primushost.com/~india/ijts/subm.htm

 

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you'll find all of the vowels and consonants in the Sanskrit alphabetical order. Hope this helps. What you might try to improve your English is watching American, Australian and British films. I found going to Satyajit Ray's Bengali films with the English subtitles very helpful years ago when I began my study of the colloquial Bengali, which is quite a bit different from the medieval and modern sadhu bhasa dialects.