Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 The Kalpa we are living is Shweta Varaha Kalpa. This name was arrived from the incident where Brahma and Vishnu assumed the form of swan and boar but still could not manage to find the beginning and end of shiva. This incident happenned just before this Kalpa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 The universal truth in this story is given the name Shiva. The advaitin is given the name Vishnu The dvaitin is given the name Brahma. The advaitin searches the meaning of god inside his mind through meditation. The dvaitin searches for the meaning of god in outside sources like scriptures and Acharyas. This is the way I see the story. The other way of looking at this story is to take the character names literally and prove that Shiva is superior than Vishnu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 The Kalpa we are living is Shweta Varaha Kalpa. This name was arrived from the incident where Brahma and Vishnu assumed the form of swan and boar but still could not manage to find the beginning and end of shiva. This incident happenned just before this Kalpa These are bogus stories from Linga purana and Kruma purana. These are Tamasa Puranas, not to mentin they contradict with Vedas(Sruti). If you quote linga Purana, one can quote Skanda purana and talk about Siva running from Bhasmasura and finally Siva worshipping Vishnu and pleading Vishnu to save him from that asura. If you quote Saiva puranas, I can quote Vaishnava puranas. If you say Nayanmars, I say Alwars. If you say Shankara, I say Madhvacharya and Ramanuja. If you say Ramakrishna and Ramana, I say Raghavendra. If you say tamil saivam works, I say Tamil Vaishnava works. We can go on and on like this forever. All this will lead to nowwhere. The only solution is accept Vedas as ultimate source of knwledge. Only Vedas, the only Apourasheya scripture, that claims Supremacy of Bhagavaan Visnu, can settle this matter. Human beings cannot be trusted to have right knowledge no matter how realized they are. All humans are finite and subject to mistakes in all stages of existence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 What is the basis for saying some purana or vedic scripture is tamasic? Is is because you or one of your gurus whom you believe happened to be a vaishnava and hence shaiva purana or scripture is tamasic? At last, whether shiva or vishnu or any other god is great is only in the minds of people. To see the God in and as ourselves, the mind should be silenced. People who write these have neither seen shiva nor vishnu to do any comparison. My advice is if you believe in shiva, concentrate more on him. if you believe in vishnu, concentrate more on him. Don't spend your energy in unnecessary comparisons. It is not worth it. By doing so, you are just satisfying your ego. Don't get into the false assumption that you are doing a service to God. Ofcourse, if gratifying your ego is of foremost importance, then please continue your so called service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ranga 0 Report post Posted October 19, 2005 Sir, It is true that we should concentrate more on practice than talking esp in spiritual life. The tamasic purana,rajasik purana classification is on the basis of certain verses which they say.For eg, eating meat is allowed in Agni purana.Likewise things ascertain the level of the puranas. As Krishna has assured in Gita, those who worship other gods also worship him in the wrong way.Again peoplw will start from the scratch -- who is Gita to tell this? So in one way you are right.We are not here to convert anyone except for some strange cases. Ultimately our motivation must be pious,virtuous etc.If the motivation is demoniac we are sure to fall down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2005 What is the basis for saying some purana or vedic scripture is tamasic? Is is because you or one of your gurus whom you believe happened to be a vaishnava and hence shaiva purana or scripture is tamasic? Padma Purana: shAstrANyapi cha sarvANi trividhAni mahAmate || yAni satyavaraM viShNuM vadanti parameshvaram.h | tAni shAstrANi sarvANi sAtvikAni matAni vai || prajApatiM kR^ishAnuM cha tathA devIM sarasvatIm.h | paratvena vadachChAstraM rAjasaM parichaxate || yachChAstraM liN^gapAramyaM vAmadevamumApatim.h | tamaH pravartakaM vakti tattAmasamudAhR^itam.h || All Shastras are of three types. That Shastra which praises Lord Vishnu as Parameshvara is Satvika. That which praises Brahma or Agni or Sarasvati Devi is Rajasika. That which praises Shiva, since it leads to Tamas, is Tamasika shAstra. At last, whether shiva or vishnu or any other god is great is only in the minds of people. To see the God in and as ourselves, the mind should be silenced. That is your opinion. I go by what Shastras say. People who write these have neither seen shiva nor vishnu to do any comparison. write what ? and who are these people you are talking about ? Vedas, Gita, Itihaasas and Puranas are our source of knowledge for us Hindus. My advice is if you believe in shiva, concentrate more on him. if you believe in vishnu, concentrate more on him. Don't spend your energy in unnecessary comparisons. It is not worth it. By doing so, you are just satisfying your ego. Don't get into the false assumption that you are doing a service to God. Comparison based on Vedas or Sruti statements is essential to knowing TRUTH. Otherwise anybody can think anything and say anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganeshprasad 0 Report post Posted October 20, 2005 Jai Ganesh Re (Padma Purana: shAstrANyapi cha sarvANi trividhAni mahAmate || yAni satyavaraM viShNuM vadanti parameshvaram.h | tAni shAstrANi sarvANi sAtvikAni matAni vai || prajApatiM kR^ishAnuM cha tathA devIM sarasvatIm.h | paratvena vadachChAstraM rAjasaM parichaxate || yachChAstraM liN^gapAramyaM vAmadevamumApatim.h | tamaH pravartakaM vakti tattAmasamudAhR^itam.h || All Shastras are of three types. That Shastra which praises Lord Vishnu as Parameshvara is Satvika. That which praises Brahma or Agni or Sarasvati Devi is Rajasika. That which praises Shiva, since it leads to Tamas, is Tamasika shAstra.) When we have certain agenda or stance we read in to verses to suit our viewpoint. It is interesting to note that those who are quick to point out that Sambhu is the highest Vaishnava would easily accept statement like, that which praises Shiva would lead to Tamas. These two statements just do not reconcile. It is true that vyasa deva wrote 18 purans in which he eulogizes the trinity in their respective puranas as well as in each puranas all three would be praised as the Lord. Naturally if we read Vishnu puran then the central theme would be Vishnu or Shiva in shiv puran. In my opinion a puran is not satvik or tamsik and to say so is a gross misrepresentation. The lord who is Nirguna or above the triguna, does control the three gunas in his different form and as such this puranas are in essence biography of this three personalities. Re (That is your opinion. I go by what Shastras say.) Opinion varies reading the same subject Re (Comparison based on Vedas or Sruti statements is essential to knowing TRUTH. Otherwise anybody can think anything and say anything. ) Truth can easily be missed even if it is staring in our face. What is the need of comparing the same subject? If we have conviction in our faith what need is there to constantly knocking some one else worship. Jai Shree Krishna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2005 When we have certain agenda or stance we read in to verses to suit our viewpoint. It is interesting to note that those who are quick to point out that Sambhu is the highest Vaishnava would easily accept statement like, that which praises Shiva would lead to Tamas. These two statements just do not reconcile. It is true that vyasa deva wrote 18 purans in which he eulogizes the trinity in their respective puranas as well as in each puranas all three would be praised as the Lord. Naturally if we read Vishnu puran then the central theme would be Vishnu or Shiva in shiv puran. In my opinion a puran is not satvik or tamsik and to say so is a gross misrepresentation. The lord who is Nirguna or above the triguna, does control the three gunas in his different form and as such this puranas are in essence biography of this three personalities. shAstrANyapi cha sarvANi trividhAni mahAmate || yAni satyavaraM viShNuM vadanti parameshvaram.h | tAni shAstrANi sarvANi sAtvikAni matAni vai || prajApatiM kR^ishAnuM cha tathA devIM sarasvatIm.h | paratvena vadachChAstraM rAjasaM parichaxate || yachChAstraM liN^gapAramyaM vAmadevamumApatim.h | tamaH pravartakaM vakti tattAmasamudAhR^itam.h || Look at the words in bold. It means "leads to tamas". It is not the worship of Shiva that leads to Tamas, it is the wrong knwledge resulting from reading Tamasa Puranas that lead to Tamas. Ofcourse Veda Vyasa wrote it, in order to lead asuras to Tamas. Opinion varies reading the same subject Maybe. But there is only one right interpretation, depending on the subject. Dvaita is that interpretation. Truth can easily be missed even if it is staring in our face. What is the need of comparing the same subject? If we have conviction in our faith what need is there to constantly knocking some one else worship. The need is there to spread the right knowledge and to eliminate wrong knowledge not only for myself but also do it as a service to Bhagavaan. As per Isavasya Upsnishad, one who does not condemn the wrong knowledge even after knowing the right knowledge goes to hell for failing to perform his duty. Incase of Kshatriya, it is Dharma Yuddha, in case of Brahmanas it is spreading right knowledge and destroying wrong knowledge among Satvika Jivas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganeshprasad 0 Report post Posted October 22, 2005 Jai Ganesh Re (It is not the worship of Shiva that leads to Tamas, it is the wrong knwledge resulting from reading Tamasa Puranas that lead to Tamas. Ofcourse Veda Vyasa wrote it, in order to lead asuras to Tamas.) This sums it all. Veda Vyasa wrote it to lead asura to Tamas.Think and contemplate what this means, it so wonderful. Jai Shree Krishna Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prasanna51 0 Report post Posted October 2, 2012 what was the Kalpa before Shweta Varaha? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SMK Report post Posted March 2, 2014 actually 18 puranas are part of vedas.Veda Vyasa did not wroote the vedas.In every dwapara yuga oone veda is divided into 4.Upto 28 mahayuga there had been 28 vyasas.After dividing one veda in to 4 there remained 1 billion verses in one veda.Out of this vyasa extracted five hundred thousand-four hundred thousand into 18 puranas according to gunas and remaining one hundred thousand became itihasa named mahabharata. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
