Siva Vs Vishnu

[Guest guest]

Are we creating a new kind of fanaticism ?

 

It is a shame that our forefathers created the likes of Shankara and Ramanuja to create a big divide. Shame on us to follow faithfully as fodders these two after dividing ourselves. "Oh No, I have just made a cardinal sin by degrading our Gurus !".Forgive me.

 

It was all and still is a power game that people play. It is so evident that we follow the master concoction of yesteryears in the form of hand downs of stories which nobody can authenticate as having been uttered excepting for some facts that some set of personalities mentioned therein might have existed.

 

As per our own conviction a Hindu can follow any form of worship or can be an athiest and can still be involved in temple works. Take for example, the recent Supreme Court ruling on Guruvayoor Devoswam committe case.

 

Is it not fantastic that we can be multi-facted and still follow the same strictures ? Just grow UP.

 

 

[Guest guest]

well Said...

[Guest guest]

A fitting reply to the fanatic Vaishnavas and HKs, who do not know the real dangers faced by hinduism, and involved in petty conflicts, and close minded.

 

Atleast Shankara advised hindus to pray all hindu gods, and tried to unify hindus.

[Guest guest]

yes, that's the right way, destroy hinduism to make all hindus peaceful and happy

[Guest guest]

who is this great person who wants to destroy hinduism to make hindu's happy and peaceful......

if there is a dirt on ur dress will u durn the whole dress? isnt ur duty to wash the dress and make it clear?....

i do agree that hindus fight amoung themself when there are more serious problems to face from other religions....

its enough...we have already made ourselves a fool by letting british taking over us when we were fighting amoung ourself....its time we fight back together (all united)

 

Shiva=Narayana......"the truth is one but the wise see it in many forms" Rigveda.....

[bhadramoorthi 0]

why blame fore-fathers!

 

 

[Guest guest]

first of all in his prasthanatraya bhashyas Sankara has accepted only Narayana as Saguna Brahman.

next infact the greatest and most cruel fanatics are the shaivites who claim that vishnu worshipped shiva in almost all their important temples without any proof eventhough the temple wold have been built within 1500 years at the earliest.

 

so the fanatics are u shaivites and when u are not able to prove that shiva is the greatest then u start making equality arguments and other such nonsense.

[Guest guest]

Whats your problem Saranathan, its people like you who is deviding the hindu religion, You also apply these same principle in real life and because of people like you only India is not united. If you belive Vishnu is supreme then follow his principles (you dont seem to be a Vishnu baktan either).

 

JUST HIPOCRITES! THATS WHAT YOU ARE!

[Guest guest]

.your message is the demonstration... you have no arguments to discuss the subject and you bring out something that has nothing to do with it

 

again... if you twist sanatana dharma with the purpose of uniting india and hindus, you will not achieve that goal..

 

if you defend dharma, dharma will protect you, if you attempt to twist it, to change, to water it, even with good purposes, you'll be destroyed,india will be destroyed and so on

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mr saranathan ,i think that you must realise that every religion undergoes some degradation as far as ideologies are concerned over the ages,a lot is due to influence of other religions.Iam a shaivite and believe in visnu as much as i do in lord siva.if visnu preserves it is because of elimination of evil that is attributed to siva .

If some indolent fools fail to see this in true light ,it is their fault.IM TELLING YOU NIETHER IS VISNU HAPPY WITH YOU NOR LORD SIVA.PLEASE READ THE SACRED TEXTS BEFORE MAKING SUCH IRRESPONSIBLE COMMENTS ON HINDUISM .THE VERY IGNORANCE THAT YOU DISPLAYED COMPELLS ME TO CALL YOU A

PERSON NOT KNOWING THE TRUE THING.SO PLEASE DO SOME HOMEWRK BEFORE MAKINGS SUCH COMMENTS.

[Guest guest]

{It is a shame that our forefathers created the likes of Shankara and Ramanuja to create a big divide. Shame on us to follow faithfully as fodders these two after dividing ourselves.}

 

Actually Shankara wasn't a Shaivite, he was Smartha which means he saw all the forms of god as different Manifestations of Brahman. A Shaivite believes that Shiva is the supreme God, Shankara didn't believe that literally, for him only Brahman was true.

 

By the way there were Vaishnavites after Ramanuja who were far more fanatic than he was, so you shouldn't single him out. Ramanuja did tremendous work for the lower castes and downtrodden and accepted them while other Hindu sects still discriminated against them.

[Guest guest]

yes... you are right... ppl fighting over petty things like this and they stupidly cannot even realize that all forms are One.

 

and see the problems w/ all this sectarian vasinavas and shiavas... that is why Sanakara is the BEST! he created smartha, and since we are all in such a vast Vedic forest... any fruit in it will give us nourishment... therefore we can have faculty of CHOICE. smartha!

 

p.s there is a very nice verse in some upanisad: Shivaya Vishnuroopaya Shivaroopaya Vishnave.

[Guest guest]

you said:"Sankara has acceted only Narayana as Saguna Brahman.next infact the greatest and most cruel fanatics are the shaivites who claim that vishnu worshipped shiva in almost all their important temples without any proof eventhough the temple wold have been built within 1500 years at the earliest.

so the fanatics are u shaivites and when u are not able to prove that shiva is the greatest then u start making equality arguments and other such nonsense."

 

Why cant Narayana be the Manifested brahman?

Lord Siva is the unmanifest brahman.That is why he is called PARAMESWARA.

how do u know tht Vishnu never worshipped Siva?

Vishnu is the wife of Siva. Notice the name "VISHNU VALLABHA" of ashtottara. In the sanathana dharma, a wife worshipping a husband is not an odd thing. It happens.

u can consider His wife Vishnu as the manifested brahman. no problem.

thanks

[barney 0]

Yes, you are right when you say "we follow the master concoction". The Muslims and Christians had easy ezcees to our mother land because of the split in our religious belief. They had the path laid out for them to convert those who are disgusted with infighting and so India was over powered by aliens. It is shamefull but the truth is clear. Brahmins supressed the non brahmins for thousands of years than came the barbarians who supressed all including the brahmins. Later came the traders calling themselve the company [EIC] and headed by an unknow white pig in his home land called Robert Clive who found it was so easy to con the Indians.

 

Imagine a company had the power to rule India and the Maharajas just allowed this pigs to dictate what an Indian can do and cannot do. See how easy it was for foreigners to take over India because we are more concern of who is superior Shiva or Vishnu. If this still continues no sooner the Hindus will lose out again to the Muslims and Christians. HK's and Vaishnavas, rememebr this if you think your ideology is superior than be prepared because Hinduism will become a past history in the land of its origin in the near future. Hinduism will become the thing of the past in India.

 

No scripture says one cannot worship Shiva or Vishnu. A Hindus is free to worship any diety of his desire priscribed by the vedas. In Rig Veda there so many dieties worshiped. Than why now that one has to choose a supreme diety? All came from one source the Supreme Brahman and that Supreme Brahman is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva all in one and one in all. That is the real concept of Hindusim. But fools who think otherwise are nothing but misunderstood ignorant bigots like the Muslims and Christians who believe that only what they believe is the truth and all others are devil worshpers.

 

To me all temples look the same as I believe whichever diety presides there is GOD in a differen manifestation. That is why to understand the core of Hindusim one has to study the gospel of Sri Ramakrishna.

[Guest guest]

This is to all hk's and fanatic vaishnavs,and all the iskon preachers.My friends what is ur problem?,i know that u all are full of "bhakti" for lord krishna.But why are u all trying to make shiva a demigod onthe pretext of some false selfish compositions of visnu puran,and manipulated vedas.THERE ARE MANY VERSES OPPOSITE AND VERY MUCH IN VIEW ,AND IN FAVOR OF SHIVA IN SHIVAPURAN THERE VISHNU HAS BEEN SHOWN WEAK.My point is not what to favour i just tell you that god per say is BEYOND THE ABILITY TO COMPREHEND BY THE HUMAN MIND.First of all we give him names,fight over their forms,write all wrong things about one form vs the other.IN THE FIRST PLACE WHY GIVE HIM NAMES?.

 

IM REALLY PISSED OFF BY THE HK'S AND ISKON PEOPLE.DON'T they know about the hindu trinity?.As visnu is one form ,so is brahma(also shown with a forehead naam similar to shiva) and lord shiva.

GO back in history and u shall find that the vaishnav cult is relatively new.The ideas of vegitarianism creeped into vaishnavism due to influence from jainism and buddhism.They call shaivetes as tamasic people engaging in non vegitarianism.

 

FIRST OF ALL LET ME MAKE IT LOUD TO AL U VAISHNAVS 3 FACTS

1)SHAIVISM HAS BEEN PRACTISED BY ALL TANTRIK SECTS IN INDIA.THE NON VEG PART COMES FROM THERE.MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PURE SHAIVITES DO NOT ENGAGE IN SUCH ACTIVITIES.

 

2)ADI SHAKTI CREATED THE TRINITY OF VISHNU,BRAHMA AND SHIVA.

SO ALL OF THEM ARE IMPORTANT.

3)KRISHNA WAS A MESSENGER OF GOD.HE WAS AN OCEAN OF GREAT LOVE.BUT HE WAS NOT GOD HE WAS A MESSENGER OF GOD.

VISHNU HAS TO TAKE(10) AVATARS BECAUSE HE WAS CURSED.

 

My only attempt has been to tell all you youngsters that do not fight over god.all forms of god are OUR creation(vishnu or shiva both of them) .follow ur mind PEACE IS NOT FOUND IN ANY TEMPLE BUT THE TEMPLE OF UR HEART.the iskon's,hk's

are only meant for showy people who love to waste their breath PROVING greatness of one form of god and discarding the other thier attempts are fruitless and worth to be laughed upon as they forget that god is one and so are his forms.