Please understand the true unity of all religions 2.................................

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Be convinced of Lord’s promise ……………………...... Nectarean Mellows

 

So governor sentenced Haridas Thakur to death and through the twenty-two market places, executioners, they beat Haridas Thakur with canes brutally dragging him, kicking him, blaspheming, insulting him in front of the whole public.

 

And the pious people, they were weeping and crying to see this injustice, they were praying to these executioners, praying, "Beat me, but not this great saintly person, who is so gentle and kind to all living beings. " But they continued to beat him through all twenty-two market places, practically from sunrise to sunset, he was continuously being brutally severely beaten and whipped.

 

At the end of the day, the executioners were so utterly exhausted that they could no longer beat him and they were in great distress. They said, "Haridas! We do not understand.

 

No man has ever lived beyond three market places, and not only have you lived, but you do not even show the slightest inconvenience. In fact, as we were beating you, you were looking upon us as you were feeling sorry for us. Your eyes were looking at us with great pity as if we were unfortunate . . . . and if we do not kill you, they will kill us".

 

So Haridas replied, "If my living is an inconvenience, then just see how I die." And right before their eyes, he laid down and all symptoms of life ceased to exist. And Kazi and others came and tested, "He's dead, very good! Throw him in the Ganges; because the Hindus said because he is not in our caste, chanting the names of God, he doesn’t deserve to be burnt by fire.

 

And the sectarian Muslims were saying, because he was born a Muslim but was chanting names of Hindu Gods, he doesn't deserve to be buried.

 

So just throw him in the river like a piece of garbage. So they threw him in the river like a piece of garbage and he floated down the stream, for some time, and then he came back to his external consciousness- out of his state of samadhi, and he began to chant the holy name, "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare", and everywhere around his followers began to come to touch his lotus feet.

 

And when the news came to the Governor and he heard it and even the Kazi and they all approached Haridas and surrendered to him and said, "We can understand now that you are truly a great saint beyond any religious distinctions.

You are truly a man of God".

 

In this way, Haridas Thakur, was such a stature of compassion that no impediment on earth could stop him from pursuing the mission of the Lord.

 

When Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared, Haridas Thakur became one of His intimate, most loving associates, because of this quality. On one occasion, Lord Chaitanya to fulfill the desires of Haridas, revealed to him, His beautiful form of Sri Krishna.

 

He also said, "Do you remember many years, when you were being whipped and beaten by those executioners?” He said, “At that time I took my Sudarshan Chakra from the Holy abode of Vaikuntha and I sent that Chakra to destroy those people who were harming you. But at that time you were praying with such love, “My Lord please forgive them. Please forgive them and your love for the people trying to kill you and your forgiveness towards them was so powerful, it was more powerful than the wrath of God. My Chakra would not leave My finger. It refused to move.

 

But I couldn’t tolerate you being beaten and insulted in such a way. So with My own body, I covered your body to protect you”. And then in front of Haridas and all the devotees, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, opened up his cloth and showed the very scars meant for Haridas on his beautiful golden form.

 

Kaunteya pratijanati name bhaktya prayachati- if we are willing to serve Krishna with great faith, we must be convinced of His promise, that He will always protect His devotees.

 

H H Radhanath Swami Maharaj

 

guru-mukha-padma-väkya, cittete koriyä aikya, är nä koriho mane äsä

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guru-mukha-padma-väkya, cittete koriyä aikya, är nä koriho mane äsä

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Yes. The preaching of the master is the truth and we should keep it in our mind forever. Farther if we hope, expect and attach desires in mind then no way of salvation. So Paul Naras said, "While I (or everybody)incarnate in this mortal world, I become in touch of Maya, I cry and the mortal world laughs. Then when at the end of life time I die (I become free from the mortal body and world), I laugh, nobody sees and the mortal world cries." So, 'mane kario na aashaa, bhulia jao parijaner bhaasha.'

A nice example of the multi religions in one.

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[maadhav 0]

this is not an example of unity of islam and hinduism.

 

it only shows Haridas thakur's tolerance,

and krishna's ability to protect devotees.

(he knew his divine capability).

 

it is unfortunate that kshatriya spirit was dead in the population. even if a large number of common people had gone to stop these barbarians, then sure they would have stopped them from beating haridas. all they had to say was, "you stop beating haridas, or we will kill you now. it does not matter if we die fighting you." there is a vedic wisdom that says, "never make large number of weak enemies." Unity is power.

 

every one cannot make miracles as chaitanya did or as haridas did. so, for most devotees, what i said above is the better choice than to play coward in the name of faith in krishna.

 

krishna does protect his devotees with kshatriya spirit as well. additionally, krishna guarantees that one who dies fighting for dharma surely come to him. he has never said: "i protect only the gandhian devotess who cannot fight."

 

need is to get islam out of bharat.

then there would not be problem of muslims beating sadhus.

 

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the biggest problems to chaitanya mahaprabhu and his associates were given by "hindus" who were envious of the fact that they gave the transcendental knowledge to everyone, not respecting caste's discriminations and the establishment's privileges

[maadhav 0]

<< the biggest problems to chaitanya mahaprabhu and his associates were given by "hindus" who were envious of the fact that they gave the transcendental knowledge to everyone, not respecting caste's discriminations and the establishment's privileges >>

 

no, not by all the hindus, but by those who malpracticed hinduism.

 

most followers of chaitanya were hindus - the vedic people.

they were not hippies. so the hippies turned into Hk's need to appreciate hindus because they kept vaishnavism alive for them under islam invasions and destructions for centuries.

 

never slander the the vedic people culture from where your KC or HK culture came to the follen hippies and other westerners. some hindus sure need help to understand Krishna's message. So, help them with love, not by looking down at them.

 

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no, not by all the hindus, but by those who malpracticed hinduism.

--so you discriminate between religion and the malpractice of it.. great advancement

 

they were not hippies. so the hippies turned into Hk's

--why introduce hyppies? we are in 2005

 

Hk's need to appreciate hindus because they kept vaishnavism alive

--vaishnavas kept vaishnavism alive.. what's hinduism?

 

some hindus sure need help to understand Krishna's message

---i do not make race discrimination

 

So, help them with love, not by looking down at them.

--love is considering everyone a spiritual soul.. not a hindu

 

 

 

[maadhav 0]

no, not by all the hindus, but by those who malpracticed hinduism.

 

--so you discriminate between religion and the malpractice of it.. great advancement

 

no, it is just new to you.

 

 

Hk's need to appreciate hindus because they kept vaishnavism alive

--vaishnavas kept vaishnavism alive.. what's hinduism?

 

it is varnasrama dharma, the mother of vaishnavism.

 

some hindus sure need help to understand Krishna's message

---i do not make race discrimination

 

neither do true hindus.

 

So, help them with love, not by looking down at them.

--love is considering everyone a spiritual soul.. not a hindu

 

hindu means a varnasrami.

it is not sectarian nor racial.

it is sad that Hks pratry it as sectarian or racial.

just as one shouldnot hate one's mother,

 

a vaishnav should not hate hinduis,

the mother of vaishnavism.

 

but, i know you.

you will not get it.

 

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it is varnasrama dharma, the mother of vaishnavism.

--govinda is adi purusham.. the first being.. loving him, who is krsna, who is vishnu is vaishnavism. Nothing is before adi purusham, so nothing is before the love for him

 

hindu means a varnasrami.

--varnashrama means that the varna (social life) is at the service of ashrama (spiritual advancement).

And this is what krsna taught to arjuna.. and spiritual advancement, for gita, is surrendering to krsna leaving other religious identifications. So i dont' know if hinduism is surrendering to krsna.

hinduism is surrendering to many opposite things.. from pseudo buddhism to pseudo porn tantrism

 

a vaishnav should not hate hinduis

--of course.. a vaishnav does not hates or he's not a vaishnav

 

but, i know you.

you will not get it.

--opinions..

[nitaipoddar 0]

Hare Krishna

All glories to Shrila Prabhupada

 

Thank you for sharing this with us. Whatever connotations of hindu vs. muslim, or ksatriya vs barbarian we may conclude from the story of Nama Acarya Haridas Thakura, we should at least be grateful that someone has eloquently recited the story to us.

 

I humbly suggest we first understand Shrila Haridas Thakura's example, and humble ourselves infront of such incredible compassion and tolerance. Shri Krishna's Sudarshan Chakra has the power to destroy worlds. The very notion that his pure devotee would, through his compassion, halt the chakra from leaving his finger is something to deeply consider. Let us then draw the conclusion that compassion is the strongest of forces, even though it is supple and quiet. Forgiveness is the greatest of strengths, and tolerance the highest of austerities.

 

As for the idea of strength in unity, I ask you this:

 

If Haridas Thakur's strength of heart and compassion halted Shri Hari's Sudarshan Chakra itself, what is the use of send ksatriyas to deal with the muslim executioners?

 

I dislike sounding didactic, but I feel it is appropriate to point out the following. Whatever hatred or bitterness we may feel towards whatever muslim (I do not at all share any such bitterness. I never judge someone by their religion) we should still realize that no muslim has *ever* wronged us or hurt us as terribly as they had to Shri Haridas Thakur. He has forgiven them, and not only that, but prayed to Shri Hari on their behalf. Not only that, but he willingly died (or went into samadhi) because the executioners were being inconvenieced by his fortitude! Now, with all this in mind, how can any of us even begin to show any hate towards the Muslims? I ask you now, is that not an absolute disregard for Nama Acarya Haridas Thakura's example? Is it not disrespectful and shameful to continue to hate muslims despite the pain Haridas Thakura endured?

 

Once more, I challenge no one, and only offer my thoughts for quiet consideration.

 

Hare Krishna

[maadhav 0]

<< Let us then draw the conclusion that compassion is the strongest of forces, even though it is supple and quiet. Forgiveness is the greatest of strengths, and tolerance the highest of austerities. >>

 

no. if it were so, krishna would never have said to arjun to fight.

 

<< As for the idea of strength in unity, I ask you this:

 

If Haridas Thakur's strength of heart and compassion halted Shri Hari's Sudarshan Chakra itself, what is the use of send ksatriyas to deal with the muslim executioners? >>

 

why not you go in iraq and conquer the terrorits with your compassion? was krishna a fool when he created four varnas including kshatriyas? did he create kshatriyas as dummies?

 

 

<< I dislike sounding didactic, but I feel it is appropriate to point out the following. Whatever hatred or bitterness we may feel towards whatever muslim (I do not at all share any such bitterness. I never judge someone by their religion) we should still realize that no muslim has *ever* wronged us or hurt us as terribly as they had to Shri Haridas Thakur. >>

 

yes, not to Hks, and therefore you do not know what the Hindus have suffered from invader islam for centuries. still you want to advise to hindus to love islam.

 

<< He has forgiven them, and not only that, but prayed to Shri Hari on their behalf. Not only that, but he willingly died (or went into samadhi) >>

 

oh, so now haridas is to muslims as jesus was to jews.

 

now note this: no muslim or mulla ever remembers who haridas was and what his compassion was. muslims have killed may such haridas after this haridas.

all Hks and haridasas are kafirs to muslims,

and they will kill kafirs.

do you still want to love muslims mor than the hindus

who gave you KC?

 

<< Now, with all this in mind, how can any of us even begin to show any hate towards the Muslims? >>

 

they cannot (foolishly), as long as they do not know the history of islam and what they ahve done to the vedic people and their devabhoomi.

 

and why do Hks love muslims more than hindus who also worship krishna?

 

<< I ask you now, is that not an absolute disregard for Nama Acarya Haridas Thakura's example? Is it not disrespectful and shameful to continue to hate muslims despite the pain Haridas Thakura endured? >>

 

no, not at all if you cannot love an invader in your house who throws you out, throws your krishna altar out, and rapes your mother and daughter in front of your eyes.

 

if however you love such an invader, then say so please.

 

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I deeply regret choosing to defend myself like this, but I shall. I hope we can keep this a healthy discussion, and not an argument:

 

Maadhav: "no. if it were so, krishna would never have said to arjun to fight. "

 

My reply: I have two responses. First, Arjun's fighting of his brethren does not show that Krishna places retribution above compassion and forgiveness. Arjun is fulfilling his duty as a Ksatriya, and a participant in Krishna's "lila", and is thus forgiven for the sins of killing his family members. Secondly, Kali Yuga and Dvapara Yuga are two different ages. In this age of Kali, compassion, devotion, humility, tolerance, and chanting of the maha mantra are considered higher virtues than fighting evil through force of arms.

 

Maadhav: "why not you go in iraq and conquer the terrorits with your compassion? was krishna a fool when he created four varnas including kshatriyas? did he create kshatriyas as dummies?"

 

My response: I have not yet learned the degree of compassion that Haridas Thakur displayed. I could not hope to even match his compassion in a hundred lifetimes. I can only respect his example, and try and follow it, be it against Iraqi terrorists, or in every day life. This is his true message. Krishna is not a fool for creating the four varnas. Please remember, however, that the varnas are in essence material and mundane. Sudra, Vaisya, Ksatriya, Brahmana--these are all titles. Our true quality is measured by our compassion towards other living beings, not just our adherance to varna-dharma. Members of every varna, of every religion, of EVERY race may practice compassion, and each act of compassion makes the world a better place. This is why compassion is superior to varna-dharma.

 

 

Maadhav: yes, not to Hks, and therefore you do not know what the Hindus have suffered from invader islam for centuries. still you want to advise to hindus to love islam

 

My reply: Yes, I do advise everyone, hindu christian HK, everyone, to love one another, muslim or not. As Gandhiji said, "we must be the change we wish to see in the world." Counter-violence towards Muslims is absolutely no way to bring peace and light into the world. Violence, anger, hatred: all these things cloud the judgement, and bring darkness and chaos, not peace and not light.

 

 

Maadhav: oh, so now haridas is to muslims as jesus was to jews.

 

My reply: If you mean Jesus was compassionate, forgiving and loving to the jews, then yes.

 

Maadhav: now note this: no muslim or mulla ever remembers who haridas was and what his compassion was. muslims have killed may such haridas after this haridas.

all Hks and haridasas are kafirs to muslims,

and they will kill kafirs.

 

My reply: I can't expect any muslim or mulla to remember who haridas was. It is not a history widely propagated in the muslim circle, but it can be, with our effort. It is, after all, a beautiful story. And yes, I understand the violence between the muslims and hindus, and how many saintly personalities have been slain by their hand. Aurangzeb himself violated so many of our temples.

 

But we cannot add to the bloodshed.

So many great personalities we look up to have professed nonviolence, again and again: From haridas thakura to shri nityananda prabhu (remember the tale of jagai and madai) to Jesus Christ to Gandhiji himself. To go against their teachings is destructive.

 

Maadhav: they cannot (foolishly), as long as they do not know the history of islam and what they ahve done to the vedic people and their devabhoomi.

 

and why do Hks love muslims more than hindus who also worship krishna

 

 

My reply: I ask forgiveness for stating this, but if I do not, someone else may do so rudely. Revenge seems to be the only thing on your mind, sir. It does not matter to me how violent the history between Muslims and Hindus has been. I, personally, cannot add to the violence, and refuse to. I understand sins and crimes have been committed in the past, and I mourn the loss, but it is destructive to add to the violence and unrest with more violence and more anger.

 

Maadhav: no, not at all if you cannot love an invader in your house who throws you out, throws your krishna altar out, and rapes your mother and daughter in front of your eyes.

 

if however you love such an invader, then say so please

 

My reply: First of all, one does not have to be muslim to commit such crimes, or christian, jewish, buddhist, or hindu. Secondly, the idea that all muslims are so brutal and violent is a dangerous falsehood. It is unfortunate that the muslim religion has such a violent history, and it is unfortunate that so many muslims are so violent, but it does not mean every muslim everywhere is violent, and it is certainly no excuse to denounce all muslims. What kind of compassion is that?

 

[maadhav 0]

 

 

Maadhav: "no. if it were so, krishna would never have said to arjun to fight. "

 

<< My reply: I have two responses. First, Arjun's fighting of his brethren does not show that Krishna places retribution above compassion and forgiveness. Arjun is fulfilling his duty as a Ksatriya, >>

 

therefore, all who suffer from adharma can evoke kshatriya spirit an dight adharis/invaders.

 

<< and a participant in Krishna's "lila", and is thus forgiven for the sins of killing his family members. >>

 

wow! what a gross misrepresentation of gita's message,

and that also from an HK?

 

arjun did not commit any sin by fighting in the first place.

what he did was do his dharma karma, and krishna just reminded him. "kutastaa kamalmidam visham samupastiam." - He said. Krishna never have said to arjun that he committed sins and that He will forgive him.

 

also, never say ever that what krishna spoke in gita was true for one time only and was good for arjun only. doing so totally puts gita in trash as a newspaper of yestersay.

that is a great offense to gita, krishna, and all the vedic people. gita's message is eternal and good for all the people of all the times. that is the reason people read it and live by it since milleniums. also, do not try to replace krishna's message by chaitanyas.

if chaitanya is krishna, then follow krishna first as he speaks in gita. do not use krishna as a doormat to jump to chaitanya's teachings.

 

<< Secondly, Kali Yuga and Dvapara Yuga are two different ages. In this age of Kali, compassion, devotion, humility, tolerance, and chanting of the maha mantra are considered higher virtues than fighting evil through force of arms. >>

 

first free the muslims of india from islam,

then have compassion and not kill them.

 

higher virtue at this time is kshatriya strength to subdue any asura, and then not kill him if he gives up asuric ideology.

 

 

Maadhav: "why not you go in iraq and conquer the terrorits with your compassion? was krishna a fool when he created four varnas including kshatriyas? did he create kshatriyas as dummies?"

 

<< My response: I have not yet learned the degree of compassion that Haridas Thakur displayed. I could not hope to even match his compassion in a hundred lifetimes. I can only respect his example, and try and follow it, be it against Iraqi terrorists, or in every day life. >>

 

if so, then it means you do not have enough power to get results with your compassion, and you are stopping the kahstriyas to get the result, and even judging them that their dharma karma is adharma. why dont you say that you cannot fight, but to fight asuras and asuric ideology is dharma.

 

<< This is his true message. >>>

 

i told above what is krishna's message.

 

<< Krishna is not a fool for creating the four varnas. Please remember, however, that the varnas are in essence material and mundane. >>

 

no. varnasrama is a vedic social structure krishna has created in such a way that each varna can realize krishna by just doing one's own varna dharma.

"sve sve karmaNi abhirata samsiddhi labhate nara" - says krishna

 

 

<< Sudra, Vaisya, Ksatriya, Brahmana--these are all titles. Our true quality is measured by our compassion towards other living beings, not just our adherance to varna-dharma. >>

 

no. one needs to do one's varna dharma.

compassion is not the final word when it comes to asuras or asuric ideology. until you make the muslims compassionate with kafirs, never try to teach compassion to the victims of islam, please.

 

<< Members of every varna, of every religion, of EVERY race may practice compassion, and each act of compassion makes the world a better place. >>

 

so first teach it to the muslims and see how much compassion they exibit towards you with their ak-47.

 

<< This is why compassion is superior to varna-dharma. >>

 

we hindus are sufficiently compassionate.

your preachiing needs to be directed to teh muslims first.

 

Maadhav: yes, not to Hks, and therefore you do not know what the Hindus have suffered from invader islam for centuries. still you want to advise to hindus to love islam

 

<< My reply: Yes, I do advise everyone, hindu christian HK, everyone, to love one another, muslim or not. As Gandhiji said, "we must be the change we wish to see in the world." >>>

 

again so, make muslims non violent first.

 

<< Counter-violence towards Muslims is absolutely no way to bring peace and light into the world. >>

 

it is, else krishna would not have said arjun to fight.

kill a cobra in your home, and you will hav epeace.

kill cancer cell from your body, and you will hav epeace.

get islam out from your country, and you will have peace.

 

<< Violence, anger, hatred: all these things cloud the judgement, and bring darkness and chaos, not peace and not light. >>

 

your peace to chant mantra is the result of the police and militry are busy doing their karma. if yo do not believe, go live in saudi arabia, and see what they do to you.

 

Maadhav: oh, so now haridas is to muslims as jesus was to jews.

 

<< My reply: If you mean Jesus was compassionate, forgiving and loving to the jews, then yes. >>

 

jesus made xians out of jews who loved jesus.

(unfortunately, very few xians sho compassion like jesus.)

no muslim loves or cares for haridas.

why you think they will care for your compassion message?

 

Maadhav: now note this: no muslim or mulla ever remembers who haridas was and what his compassion was. muslims have killed may such haridas after this haridas.

all Hks and haridasas are kafirs to muslims,

and they will kill kafirs.

 

<< My reply: I can't expect any muslim or mulla to remember who haridas was. It is not a history widely propagated in the muslim circle, but it can be, with our effort. >>>

 

try and succeed, or the kshatriyas will succeed before you.

but never say to ksnatriyas to practice compassion towards asuras.

 

<< And yes, I understand the violence between the muslims and hindus, and how many saintly personalities have been slain by their hand. Aurangzeb himself violated so many of our temples.

 

But we cannot add to the bloodshed. >>

 

you are saying you cannot. we can, and it is dharma.

 

<< So many great personalities we look up to have professed nonviolence, again and again: From haridas thakura to shri nityananda prabhu (remember the tale of jagai and madai) to Jesus Christ to Gandhiji himself. To go against their teachings is destructive. >>

 

when it comes to asuras or asuric ideology,

you need to listen to krishna in gita.

and never glorify gandhi, he was just a mundane politician, and prabhupada has aid it.

 

 

Maadhav: they cannot (foolishly), as long as they do not know the history of islam and what they ahve done to the vedic people and their devabhoomi.

 

and why do Hks love muslims more than hindus who also worship krishna

 

<< My reply: I ask forgiveness for stating this, but if I do not, someone else may do so rudely. Revenge seems to be the only thing on your mind, sir. >>

 

no. justice. to do dharma karma.

to not do so, would be to encourage asura and his adharma.

 

<< It does not matter to me how violent the history between Muslims and Hindus has been. I, personally, cannot add to the violence, and refuse to. >>

 

becase you have not experienced the pain under islamic adharma. or, you do not care krishna.

 

<< I understand sins and crimes have been committed in the past, and I mourn the loss, but it is destructive to add to the violence and unrest with more violence and more anger. >>

 

speak like krishna, not like gandhi.

 

Maadhav: no, not at all if you cannot love an invader in your house who throws you out, throws your krishna altar out, and rapes your mother and daughter in front of your eyes.

 

if however you love such an invader, then say so please

 

<< My reply: First of all, one does not have to be muslim to commit such crimes, or christian, jewish, buddhist, or hindu. >>

 

no hindu has invaded any country.

why are you telling to worship and kiss the rear of the barbric invaders?

 

<< Secondly, the idea that all muslims are so brutal and violent is a dangerous falsehood. >>

 

a muslim is good only when he does not live per koran.

koran tells them to live in peace in kafir countries till they get some power to assert islam. you nefer know when a guud muslim woudl turn a terrorist. silently he will multiply like pigs using four wives. that is a grav danger for any democarcy.

 

<< It is unfortunate that the muslim religion has such a violent history, and it is unfortunate that so many muslims are so violent, but it does not mean every muslim everywhere is violent, and it is certainly no excuse to denounce all muslims. What kind of compassion is that? >>

 

their fault is that they did not choose their religion intelligently. islam was forced upon them by mullas and parents. to quit islam means that teh muslims must kill him

so, please convince them that islam is not a beter choice as a reigion, and help them quit islam.

 

all i have said here, is already said here in the past.

 

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"also, never say ever that what krishna spoke in gita was true for one time only and was good for arjun only"

 

the personal instruction to fight was specifical for arjuna

 

the general instructions to think of krsna and to surrender are for everyone

 

the true instruction for arjuna is "think of me...". Arjuna is doing dharma because he's absorbed in krsna consciousness, not because he's doing something or something else..

 

dharma comes by consciousness, not by acts

[nitaipoddar 0]

Forgive me, but I am quite disturbed by the level of hatred you have displayed towards a fellow human being, Maadhav, be he a muslim or not. Twice disturbing is your justification of hatred and violence by considering it as Krishna's message.

 

Even more disturbing is this seperation you create between Krishna and Chaitanya. We are a thousand times fortunate to have the mercy of Shri Chaitanya in the kali yuga.

 

But most disturbing of all is that you seem to have the foothold over this forum. What you speak is irrational, because you insist that every muslim is inherantly evil, and that the only dharma we have as human beings is to kick the muslims out of Bharat, or the whole world. This is not the mode of goodness, but rather the mode of ignorance and passion. This kind of fervent bloodlust is destructive to the placidity of the mind and destructive to one's dharma. The muslims are not, as you said, a cancer. The muslims are not, as you said, a snake. What I see from you is fanatacism, and fanaticism in a discussion only creates argument. Please, make the effort to open your eyes and realize that all our brothers and sisters as human beings deserve to be embraced, even the muslims, and when I say muslims, I do NOT mean the violent fanatics who murder in the name of God and wield AK-47s. I mean the millions and millions of other muslims who live in our world, share our air, live and die under the same sky, and whom we as humans call our brothers and sisters, and who are at heart good people, even if they do call themselves muslims. Understand that there is a world of people out there, and in this world of people there are millions upon millions of muslims who denounce the violence of the mullas and denounce the terrorism and denounce the barbaric acts commited by some fanatic muslims.

 

Understand this, and then we will continue the discussion.

[maadhav 0]

"also, never say ever that what krishna spoke in gita was true for one time only and was good for arjun only"

 

<< the personal instruction to fight was specifical for arjuna >>

 

no, no, and no.

gita's whole message is good for every one at any time.

one needs to understand the situation correctly, and understand the messge correclty, then appy it correctly.

 

even asuras and cobras hve consciousness.

dharma is what krishna says what to do.

 

[Guest guest]

so find the descendants of kauravas and let us go in kuruksetra and fight them?

 

that everyone has to fight is the opposite of bhagavad gita's teachings

 

the gita is to teach to arjuna that he has not to abandone his social duties to serve krsna turning himself in a monk or ascetic.. so if we all became ksatrya and fight instead of remaining in our positions and accepting to serve everyone in his own duty.. this will be a pervertion of the gita

 

the instruction is not "fight.."

 

the instruction is "turn your karma in yoga" or "do not change anything externally but change internally"..If everyone turns from vaisha, shudra, brahmana to ksatrya this is against the gita in the same way as arjuna wanted to turn from ksatrya to brahmana