How long?

[Guest guest]

Om namah Vasudevayya namah

Om namah Sivayya

 

 

8.3 Aksharam brahma paramam swabhaavo’dhyaatmamuchyate;

Bhootabhaavodbhavakaro visargah karmasamjnitah.

 

8.3. Brahman is the Imperishable, the Supreme; His essential nature is Adhyatman – the Self; the offering (to the gods) which causes existence and manifestation of beings and which also sustains them is called action.

 

And

 

13.13 Jneyam yattat pravakshyaami yajjnaatwaa’mritamashnute;

Anaadimatparam brahma na sattannaasaduchyate.

 

13.13 I will declare that which has to be known, knowing which one attains to immortality, the beginning less supreme Brahman, called neither being nor non-being.

 

13.14 Sarvatah paanipaadam tat sarvato’kshishiromukham;

Sarvatah shrutimalloke sarvamaavritya tishthati.

 

13.14 With hands and feet everywhere, with eyes, heads and mouths everywhere, with ears everywhere, He exists in the worlds, enveloping all.

 

 

 

Note that Lord in 8.3 describes Brahman as the Supreme (Param) and Self (Adhyatma).

 

In 13.13 and 13.14 Lord again says that the beginning less supreme Brahman is to be known to attain immortality.

 

Jigyasu has compared seven translations and these seven give same translation as above.

 

 

 

Now one translator, without noticing that Lord Krishna has already stated that there is none higher than Brahman in 8.3, translates 13.13 as below:

 

“I shall now explain the knowable, knowing which you will taste the eternal. Brahman, the spirit, beginningless and subordinate to Me, lies beyond the cause and effect of this material world. (13.13)”

 

 

 

Now the translator introduces a phrase “Brahman is subordinate to me” and forget that he is contradicting Lord's verse 8.3.

 

 

How long do the falsity hold?

 

Om namah Vasudevayya namah

Om namah Sivayya

[maadhav]

this is nothing but dvaia advaita debate,

which will never end.

in my view this time is not for such debates.

islam terrorism is of prime importane at this time.

 

suppose all the vaishnavas give up dvaita and become advaiti, then how it will help solve islam problem in Hindustan?

 

How long?

 

till advaiti and dvaiti both reach god

and realise/see what is the truth.

 

or

 

till both are wiped out by islam or xianity.

then there will be none to debate on it.

 

[Guest guest]

 

Dear Madhav

 

 

How can interpretation of scripture, as per belief of one's own mind, be a debate? This is action of mind and body and this is karma.

 

This only leads to fragmentation and abuses like: fool, rascal etc. etc.. Don't you see this.

 

 

Of course, I know that this happens with His will alone, so that the truth emerges.

[Guest guest]

"till both are wiped out by islam or xianity.

then there will be none to debate on it."

 

 

Impermanent will be wiped out sometime or other as per the will of the true. The true will ever remain. Why do you worry?

 

 

"islam or xianity", are also God's gatim. Everywhere, there are exoteric elements who want to live by the might of small ego and that causes strife. These exoteric elements -- who are falling away from Lord, show differences etc.. They do not tolerate others. They abuse. They call others fools, cheaters, rascals, etc. They cut and kill. Whether, islam or xianity, or hinduism -- the asuras are the problem.

 

 

 

Esoteric elements, in every culture, know the One Lord and they are moving towards the "param padanam".

 

 

Sanatana dharma will ever remain. Do you not believe it? From time to time, due to oppression of the stauch exoteric elements claiming to be the owners of truth, new religion will come up. But sanatana dharma will be restored time and again.

 

 

How can what is called sanatanah ever be wiped out?

 

 

God is sanatanah. Nothing else is.

[maadhav]

Yes, jigyasuji.

the subject matter has been debated since the time of brahmaji.

 

<< How can interpretation of scripture, as per belief of one's own mind, be a debate? >>

 

because another person has another interpretation of the same scripture, as per belief of his own mind.

now the truth is only one, and hence the debate begins.

 

now, if you live per your interpretaton and realize god,

then show it to others, and they will accept the interpretation.

 

if you have no realization per your interpretation, then accept the interpretation of one who has relized god, or someone has realized god per that interpretation.

 

gita gives various ways/paths to realize god.

each path has been proven right/valid because some people have walked on that path and have realized god.

that is the vedic way to show a path is vaild.

 

praNam!

 

[Guest guest]

*********now, if you live per your interpretaton and realize god,then show it to others, and they will accept the interpretation.

 

if you have no realization per your interpretation, then accept the interpretation of one who has relized god, or someone has realized god per that interpretation.*************

 

You gave no attention to the contradiction in translations of 8.3 and 13.13.

 

I have not realized HIM, but i do not abuse. Those who create such contradiction in Lord's own statements are still poorer. They abuse. They do not tolerate.

 

 

Yes, I accept the interpretation of sages who do not create anomaly between 8.3 and 13.13. I do not relish these things. But as Lord's guna impels some in this site to abuse revered sages, He also impels others, like me, to act.

 

This must have a meaning.

 

 

Pranam. I do not want to extend this. Just know that such anomaly exists. Someday, you may become impartial.