Hindu-Muslim Alliance

[Guest guest]

It is obvious that secularism is not only destroying this country, but dividing it further.

 

* Secular politicians are anti-Hindu

 

* Secular media is anti-Hindu

 

* Secular intellectuals are anti-HIndu

 

* Secular academia is anti-Hindu

 

* (secular) NGOs/human rights groups are anti-hindu

 

* Socialists/commies/gandhians are anti-hindu

 

As you can see, the anti-hindu elements manifest as political parties, social orgs, journalists/columnists, NGOs and so on. That being the case, the Hindu is helpless. What are we to do? Form a grand Hindu-Muslim Alliance to defeat these forces. There is no other way.

 

Let's sink our differences with muslims, and form a coalition against secularism. Under the circumstances, that would be the wisest strategic move. As long as hindus bash muslims, secularists are going to use that excuse to bash hindus in return. For a change, let hindus and muslims join hands and bash the cunning secularist. That way, we can not only establish Hindu-Muslim unity, but put the secularist out of business, once and for all.

[maadhav]

<< Form a grand Hindu-Muslim Alliance to defeat these forces. >>

 

superman,

 

our superman is krishna who spoke gita.

 

what is in gita is 180 degre opposite to islam in koran and hadith.

 

jinnah has said correclty that hinduism and islam are not compatible, and that is why pakistan was created diving the nation.

 

the solution is to confirm schoarly, publicly and to the ears of all the people of india, that gita and koran are not compatible. then remind the muslims of india that their ancestors were hindus who were forcibly converted to islam. now they do not need to stick with islam any more. they are living in the vedic land, and islam has brutally invaded there. therefore it is wise to give up islam and appreciate hinduism and the hindus. that is reall alliance.

 

another way is to teach the hindu masses how to make democracy work. they have the voting power,a nd what is needed is unity of purpose and actions.

 

other ways are economic bocott of islam followers in order to help them give up islam. this is non violent act also.

 

now that shankarachary is been wrongfully arrested by asuric politicians, this shoudl motivate all the hindu gurus and leaderrs to unite for action.

 

the need is to give up any malpractice of hinduism, and think of the broader national and dharma interests.

the gurus need to unite, and guide the hindus whom to vote.

 

what you are suggesting is not a solution but acceptance of defeat and demise of hinduism on hindustan. apparently you do not live by hinduism.

 

the other point is that hinduism is dharma for whole humanity of alltimes. it is inherently secular and does not need to embrace "secularism" of the west. so, a hindu gov. in hinduistan would be very healthy for the majority.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Super Man !

You wrote nice ! But I think, a wood cutter (Shaw), an axe

Can not cut the trees without the help of wood. I mean

its handles. So you are true. But the destiny is slavery

again for us if the minds of politicians and intellectuals

are not going to be changed. We will back to 400 centuries

ago with more destructive weapons. Can you imagine ?

What is going to happened ?

 

[Guest guest]

I am sorry ! I write,

We will back to 400 centuries

ago with more destructive weapons.

Actually the correct sentence is, We will be back to 4 centuries with more destructive weapons.

 

[Guest guest]

krishna is a fictional character used as an allegory to express a philosophy. the gita can be removed fromthe mahabharata and you would not miss a step, except the greatmessage. as well, the mahabharata was not written by one sage vyasa (perhaps it's core though), but many different people contributed side stories, etc over time. hence the many different version that are available.

 

there is no difference between maadac and fanatical christians and muslims, they believe every word literally out of their respective holy books and miss the point entirely, or ignore it and focus on points that suit their agenda.

[krishnadasa]

Well dear

 

Tomorrow when u die, ur grand parents who have not seen u would say ; our grandfather was a fictious character!

 

They would say " we can still have existance if we take out our grand father from out linieage "

 

What we think is our opinion, but always false if not guided by scriptures and gurus!

 

Hari bol

 

viks

[Guest guest]

Dear Madhav,

 

I agree with all the things you say about islam, but strategy is important. Out of 800m hindus in India, eliminate

 

*poor, helpless hindus

*secular hindus

*pacifist hindus

*dravidian hindus who are invariably anti-hindu

*ngos and others under foreign influence

*politicians/media

*rich, westernized hindus who dont give a damn

 

The number you NOW get will indicate that hindus are indeed a minority in India. WHich means a small number of hindus must fight both secularists and muslims. Is that desirable? ANd please dont think secularists can be converted to hinduism. They won't change, because their future depends on this so-called secularism/pacifism etc. they are getting paid for it by foreign sources, so why would they sympathize with hindus?

 

Which leaves us with muslims. If secs can't be convinced, then convince muslims to join us and fight the secs. That would be a win-win situation for hindus. If muslims win, secs would've lost, and that's a good thing for hindus. If secs win after taking extensive damage, that will also be a good thing for hindus. Either way, we win.

 

Or we can sit down and curse both muslims and secs without actually doing anything about it. WHich is better-to cry and complain or to evolve a workable strategy?

[Guest guest]

To people who want to discuss whether krishna is real or not, please start another thread. No offense, but I'd like this thread to be what it is: Hindu-muslim unity.

[maadhav]

<< krishna is a fictional character used as an allegory to express a philosophy. >>

 

i have no more motivation to read your posts any more.

 

you are not a hindu, and still are trying to maek hindus follow you. they will follow krishna's word not yours.

 

moderators,

 

if you believe raima sen is an anti hindu,

you may delete his posts that insult krishna and hinduism.

 

[Guest guest]

Hi SuperMan !

You wrote . . . . . .

 

<<Or we can sit down and curse both muslims and secs without actually doing anything about it. WHich is better-to cry and complain or to evolve a workable strategy?>>

 

Whether you are a hindu or not but I like your clear emotion about the fact. The era of cursing has gone away back, now the time for strategy and action, and not to cry or complaint. Time demands defense , actions and protection, learn from others who are Acting, otherwise get ready for conversion.

 

[krishnadasa]

Dear Madhav,

 

Hare krishna

 

That step was rihtly done and should be done in future for all those nonsensical posts.

 

I appreciate that

 

hari bol

viks

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Robin, for your comments.

 

I am one of the few practicing Hindus left in this country. I adopt Vedic methods to solve problems, be they social or economic or political. But most of the so-called Hindus are Hindus in name only but semitic in nature. Madhav is no exception. OTOH, I want to do things the Hindu way. So my idea of Hindu-Muslim Alliance should be viewed in this context, as a strategic move, and NOT as minority appeasement.

 

But Semitized Hindus such as Madhav cannot appreciate that. They can only cry and complain about the Hindu plight, but do nothing, evolve no strategy to counter it.

[Guest guest]

the gita can be removed fromthe mahabharata and you would not miss a step, except the greatmessage."

 

Sheer nonsense. Gita is the most important part of MB. Without gita (krishna's wise counsel during war), Arjuna wouldn't have overcome his doubts and fought for victory. On the contrary, he would've surrendered happily to the enemy (which was his plan initially, before krishna taught him dharma).

 

So without gita, there would've been no war. Without war, there would've been no victory for pandavas and for dharma. Conclusion: Entire MB would've changed, it would've become meaningless without gita.

[maadhav]

<< But Semitized Hindus such as Madhav cannot appreciate that. >>

 

how many who visit here frequently would agree to it?

 

<< They can only cry and complain about the Hindu plight, but do nothing, >>

 

then it is not good.

 

<< evolve no strategy to counter it. >>

 

please tell everything about how you propose to solve islam problem for the hindus in bharat? let us see if we could agee and unite.

 

[Guest guest]

Let's approach this strategically.

 

Your question is basically flawed. You want the destruction of islam, which is unwise.

 

I don't want Islam to die in the rest of the world, because it could be used as a buffer against 'other' enemies, if you know what I mean. Don't mistake me, I am not a fan of Islam, but under the circumstances, it would be foolish to pray for its demise. If Islam dies, the west will NOT be preoccupied and it will be free to do WHATEVER it wants with respect to India. At least now, the west cannot bully India since it has a more formidable enemy to take care of.

 

Second, I don't want Islam to die in India either, because like I said earlier, we need to turn them against secularists. This can be done through fear. Induce fear into the hearts of Muslims, and make them believe that secularists are cleverly planning their demise under the garb of secularism. Print stories after stories about the 'grave injustices' committed by secularists against the 'innocent' muslims, the latest example being how a secular NGO bullied an innocent muslim girl in the best bakery case. By doing so, make them understand that the only solution is to come over to the hindu side and fight the secularist together. To make this succeed, we need rich hindus to establish channels, papers etc., cuz this is to be done only through mass propaganda. It is kind of an information war.

 

This is my solution to protect India from external danger (west) and internal one (secularist). Obviously, to do that, we need muslims. That's why your question about how to destroy islam isn't relevant. It is relevant from an emotional viewpoint, but not from a strategic angle. To win wars, you need to be both a strategist and a tactician (in order to improvise as we go along). Emotional outbursts end in defeat.

[maadhav]

although i donot agree totallly, you have a point.

 

hindu muslims alliance is possibel by the following way.

we need to convice the fcts to the muslims that:

 

- islam has invade in india and has no placeon the vedic land.

 

- their ancestors were hindus who were converted by force.

now they do not need to remain muslims any more. so, give up islam.

 

- islam and hinduism (koran and gita) are not compatible.

history shows that wehere islam has invaded it has caused unrest ans kilings and destructions. now after a few centuries islam is getting what it sent out. it is not worth living like a muslim if peace in counry is important.

 

- koran does not approve democracy. bharat has democracy. so every muslim who lives there and says he is a muslim is a hypocrite. give up that hyporcacy, give up islam.

 

thus concincing the muslims of bharat to give up islam is possible in varous ways, including non violent ways.

 

- islam does not approve secularism either. so, why live in a secular country and be a muslim?

 

that should work and we shoudl make it work.

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wht you suggested would not work.

e.g.

 

US created taliban - jihadis - to fight russia in afghanistan. when teh muslims won ove russia,

they thought they also can win US.

hence 9/11.

 

this means that even if hindu muslim alliance wins seculars,

musloms would be a problem to hindus.

for any kafir islam is a deadly problem.

we hindu are kafirs to them.

 

so, either they (islam) go or we go for bharat.

we hindus belong to bharat, we have no where else to go.

so, islam must go out.

 

so we need kranti.

never think the gov. will help.

 

as i have said many times,

hindu need to work internal problems as well as external problems, but the priority is to work on external problems first due to the emergency situation of terrorism of various kind on hindus.

 

please ponder over it, and it would make sense.

 

analysing the facts, situation, and interests, and presenting solutions to our problems is the first and essential thing to do.

without it, no action could take place,

no unity is possible.

 

[Guest guest]

OK, madhav, for the time being, let's just say I agree. But I am asking how you'd root out secularists from India. How to handle the vicious (secular) media propaganda, politicians, NGOs, human rights groups, commies, gandhians etc. etc. You do understand they're as dangerous as Muslims, if not more. They are the ones actively encouraging muslims to hurt hindus. So tell me, what's your solution for the SECULAR problem. You asked me about Islam and I gave you my views, so please tell me what you think of pseudo-secularists and how to deal with them.

[maadhav]

<< how you'd root out secularists from India. >>

 

not i, we the hindus, united.

 

first, the hindus need to know what hinduism really is, and then decide to practice it correctly.

 

then they need to understand that hinduism alreay is inherently secular. we do not need european concept of secularism imposed on us the vedic people in the vedic land.

 

then, we need to know what are our hindu global and national interests in relation to dharma and rashtra, and act unitedly to purse them. shortsighteness and greed must be given up.

 

then change laws that are anti hindu and "secular" that help the invaded ideologies. they have to be vedic.

 

we need to fix the problem created by gandhi.

 

practice ecomonic boycott against the aggressor invader enemies of hinduism.

 

if the gov. is anti-hindu, then the hindus could decide to stop paying taxes, all at the same time, and with determination. at the same time, rich hindus need to help fund this kranti, poor can help by giving service.

 

etc.

 

<< How to handle the vicious (secular) media propaganda, >>

 

do not buy papers or do not trade with the media at all. do not serve them. start our own media. handle asuras and aatataayis per the vedic instructions. this is kranti.

 

<< politicians, NGOs, human rights groups, commies, gandhians etc. etc. >>

 

by united and determined actions.

 

<< You do understand they're as dangerous as Muslims, if not more. >>

 

yes, i do.

 

<< They are the ones actively encouraging muslims to hurt hindus. >>

 

every hindu neighborhood need to unite for action.

press the next door muslims (many of them are not fanatic) to give up islam. this is possible. hindus need to keep some arms and get trained in use of weapons. force is only our last resort, never the first as it is for the muslims.

 

a few months ago economic boycott was successfully used against the muslims in a village. such program prototype experiments can start small. the result will tell how to do better, and the improved program will spread all over bharat. every action has something to learn from and improve.

 

<< So tell me, what's your solution for the SECULAR problem.>>

 

i just did. all cannot be said, but hope the wise hindus will get the idea. there are ways, and i have no doubt in my mind. but first we need to work on first things first.

unite and agree for action and sacrifice/dharma karma.

 

at this time, never waste time in dvaita-advaita and such intrenal debates of vedic peace times.

 

why? for dharma and hindu rashtra.

 

dear hindus, if whatever i said is agreeable to you,

please tell it to other hindus to build unity of purpose.

when we have disagreements, we need to work/discuss to come to agreement. because, unity is build on agreements.

 

hindus, be good leaders (one who walks as he/she talks) to lead other hindus to serve dharma and rasshtra interests. never fall in the traps of the anti-hindus who want us fight within.

 

hinduism is universal dharma.

 

[Guest guest]

<< But Semitized Hindus such as Madhav cannot appreciate that. >>

 

how many who visit here frequently would agree to it?

 

I WOULD! I WOULD!

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Superman,

 

The pseudo-secularists even though target hindus are atleast trying to be neutral.Most of them are hindus too.They arent enemies but are our brothers who need to be educated about the religion.

 

 

[Guest guest]

If p-secs target Hindus, that doesn't make them neutral. Far from it. Real secularism is separation of religion from state. It isn't neutral or secular if p-secs subsidize haj visit and control temple revenue. It isn't neutral or secular, if p-secs oppose uniform civil code and support sharia (religious) law. There is nothing neutral or secular about being friendly with mullahs and priests and popes. It defeats the very concept of secularism. In short, there is no secularism (in the real sense) in India, it is always pseudo-secularism. Therefore, it must be fought and defeated.