Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 http://www.rense.com/general10/secretss.htm What do you all think about the above article? According to Ian Gurney he can discern who the next pope will be after Pope John Paul II. Many Christians think that the pope after John Paul II will only rule for a short period of time and the pope after will be the final and last one. This last pope will defect from the Catholic faith although it is not known for certain if he will be the Antichrist. Honestly I believe we are living in the latter years before the earth is transformed into a paradise. Christians like me call it the 1,000 rule of Jesus Christ while Hindus call the transformation the "Golden Age". What do you all think? I hope I have not offended anyone and I am very sorry if I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 the 10,000 year golden age started 500 years ago, when Caitanya came all i know is that within this 10,000 year period, the mahamantra will be chanted in every single town and village in the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 yes. buddhists are non violent, but still buddhists can kill without even a weapon, eg. shawlin priests. still teh will not kill unless it is per dharma. so, their non-violence does not negate or eliminate kshatriya duty. similarly, sure Hk's will chant all over the world, but many would be carying on the ksnatriya duty as well. (dhoti however is not a suitable dress for a kshatriya.) HK's will not be working under any imperfect gov. to meet that goal, they would need to work actively to get HK's in political and other gov. positions. else asuras would rule over the sura HK's. just slandering politics and politicians, would not bring the HK's into the positions of power. and so far, no one has over thrown a bad politician by just chanting. chanakya pandit did not live in vain. it would be a misake if his teachigns are ignored by the vedic people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 ....but only if a) one's inclination is to go into politics b) one is prepared to lie - since politicians have to c) one can keep a balance between political success and spiritual progress... it would be difficult to keep one's spiritual principles intact in an arena of politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 << it would be difficult to keep one's spiritual principles intact in an arena of politics >> to lie or cheat or trick the asuras is not adharma. even the book of the barbaric ideoloty says that no god's rule is violated no matter how one treats a kafir. it would be more true to say you do not have skills or courage or strength of a politician working for dharma. chanting is easy for you. i know, you would say you are a samadarshi and see dog, cow, brahmana, muslims, hindu, all equal souls. the reality most probably is that you are an imposter samadarshi. besides samadarshi are of no use to the world if they cannot solve the problem of the people. hindus do have problems and samadarshis need to help solve it, or get out of the way and chant 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 1) cheat or trick asuras? we are all asuras in this age of kali, because we are not fully surrendered... 2) the problem of the people is that they have forgotten God. So heres what needs to be rectified... ...sending the Muslims out of India is firstly not a service to Krishna. Why? Because it is a bodily designation. You are interested in liberating the people of India, not all the people of the world...is that what Krishna wants? People to discriminate between who they should help become self-realised? If your aim in politics is to protect Vedic principles of dharma, great... If your aim in politics is to force all mlecchas out if they don't become Hindu, then you are a great follower of adharma... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 madhaav.. do not bother us... if you feel inclination with politics .. do it if you chant harekrishna, surrender to a uttama guru, follow regulative principles your job will be devotional service (karma/bhakti yoga) and you will go back to godhead together with the millions of people who'll follow you simultaneously you will do many positive things for india and all the world if you do not chant, surrender, follow.... any your attempt will be useless (arjuna wins because he's surrendered to his guru.. srikrsna) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maadhav Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 << 1) cheat or trick asuras? we are all asuras in this age of kali, because we are not fully surrendered...>> you are saying you and your guru are asuras. so then you effort here is to delude the suras. sure, suras do not want to be deluded. <<...sending the Muslims out of India is firstly not a service to Krishna. Why? Because it is a bodily designation. >> you still do not want to get my pioint. the truth is this: we hindu do not mind any one born on the vedic land to live on the vedic land, but there is a condition. if you are born there, you cannot be hostile to the sanatana dharma or the vedic culture. since generations, those hindus who were forcibly converted to islam are forcing islam on their children even when they are born on the vedic land. so, the bodily concept is with the muslims/islam, and it cause problem for the hindus in their own homeland. punishment to quit islam is death per the book. so this is body concept. << You are interested in liberating the people of India, not all the people of the world...is that what Krishna wants? >> sure. karma begins at home, just as charity begins at home. once you align your ducks at home, once you become free from your own problems, you can help others. till then it is futile to help others. what proof of this? ok. has any underdeveloped nation halped other nation? no. they cannot. why US can help others? because they have solved their security/material problem very well. if you think krishna does not want it, then it also means that you do not care to liberate your own family in your own home and are trying to liberte the world. this is hypocracy. who would believe you can do it? prove you can do it at home first. << People to discriminate between who they should help become self-realised? >> has any muslims listened to you and said, "yes, that is wonderful. i quit islam and become an hk?" not likely. in contrast most muslims think: "this guy is an HK, a kafir. i must convert him, even by force, or kill him as soon as I get a favorable situation. till then I would pretend as if i am his friend." this is not imagination but a lession from 1000 years of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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