WE ARE GODS

[Guest guest]

It is your task to search and understand since you deny they are from the Gita

••gita is very easy to find, thess interpretations are different from gita text, who is very easy to understand, and you are not bringing the real gita because it would show the mistakes

 

Gita has been interpreted by many so go find the real source and you will know what I am saying.

••yes, very easy to find that gita is another thing

 

I have found God but you are still searching so keep on searching till you find him.

..if you have found god with the documents and theories you have shown until now, you have found anything but god

 

(everyone can say: "i have found.." and who has really found does not say it)

[barney]

In every one of you I see God coz it is not you speaking your mind but God arguing with me and I am speaking to him. You are just his tool as I am. Does that ring the bell?

[Guest guest]

t is not you speaking your mind but God arguing with me and I am speaking to him

••so surrender to god and listen,,, are you arguing with god?

 

You are just his tool as I am.

••yes, tool means that god is one and his tool is another one... if you became one with your screwdriver how can you use it?

 

Does that ring the bell?

••logic could ring the bell, so start to say logic things and to answer to objections.... or, having no logic answers honestly recognise that you are speaking by blind and sentimental faith.. and ring your bell.. (this is the right behaviour in philosophical debates, if one has no answers he recognises that the opponent is right and ask guidance... i am not a guru or a leader, but i have used more logic , and and a debate has to be logic, otherwise why speak?)

[barney]

Divine power is not a mere formless, impersonal material principle. It is a living dynamic conscious force that can assume a concrete personal form. It is the source of all Existence, Knowledge and Bliss. These are not qualities of the Soul, but Its essence. It is identical with Pure Consciousness or Intelligence. It is the sole support and substance of the manifold. The Reality or Self understood intuitively is the Supreme Spirit, and understood outwardly, is the physical world. It precedes everything, for everything is manifested or projected by the Self. This Brahman is without a prior or a posterior, without interior or exterior, this Atman is Brahman, that experiences of everything (Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, 11.5.19). The changeless Reality (Brahman) that upholds the manifold is identical with the same changeless Reality (Atman) that indwells in the human being.

The entire universe originates from, is manifested, and is sustained by It. The self--luminous Atman (Self) is the sole spiritual entity; all else belongs to the realm of matter, gross or fine, being devoid of intrinsic Consciousness. Therefore, primordial nature and all its modifications constituting the world, physical and Psychical, come under the category of matter. None of them have self-intelligence and self--consciousness as their essence. Physical processes can produce physical light but not the light of spirit marked by self--awareness. This alone distinguishes spirit from matter. No human ingenuity can create life out of lifeless matter.

Each of us has two types of consciousness, as it were, individual and universal, or lower self and higher Self. It is not the case that there are two selves in a man, one empirical and the other nominal. Rather, the same self has different characters. The term Self includes both the Atman and its reflection or shadow, the ego. The Atman or God is the same in everybody; it is our diehard inveterate attachment to an egocentric life or psychophysical organism or simply the ego that differs from individual to individual. It is the ego that separates us from our higher Self, from other beings and ultimately, from God, and thereby produces insecurity, fear and dread in us. The higher Self of the individual is called the Atman. Atman is defined in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 4.3.7: That which manifests Consciousness in the organs. Shankara says, It is so called because it pervades, it receives, and it experiences objects in the world, and because from it the world derives its existence. We see, hear, smell, speak and taste through Consciousness or Atman. The common man calls it life; the mystic calls it Atman.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Divine power is not a mere formless, impersonal material principle. It is a living dynamic conscious force that can assume a concrete personal form

--different... it is not that divine power assumes a form... divine power IS a form, and it is more exact to speak of a divine POWERFUL .. a person.. not a power that assumes personal form

 

It is the ego that separates us from our higher Self,

--explain how a material ego, from a lower level, can separate GOD who is the highest level from something (you are filling pages but you cannot explain:

 

how can god forget to be god,

 

how can god's energy, maya, be more powerful than god and illude him

 

how can the inferior material self (false ego, ahankara) affect GOD (that's the source and sustainer of everything)

 

 

Shankara says,

--shankara says "bhaja govinda"..