The blessed Vishnu said: "I salute Mahadeva. Salutations to Thee.

[barney]

From The Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva

Section XIV

 

Krishna -16000 Wives (Part 1)

 

The blessed Vishnu said: "I salute Mahadeva. Salutations to Thee. O Thou that art eternal origin of all things. The Rishis say that Thou art the Lord of the Vedas. The righteous say that Thou art Penance, Thou art Sattwa, Thou art Rajas, Thou art Tamas, and Thou art truth…….

 

The puissant Sankara then, devoted to the good of the universe, looked at the goddess Uma and the lord of the celestials and myself also, and thus spoke unto me":

 

"We know, O Krishna, that Thou, O slayer of foes, art filled with the greatest devotion towards us. Do what is for Thy good. My love and affection for Thee is very great. Do Thou ask for eight boons. I shall verily give them unto Thee. O Krishna, O best of all persons, tell me what they are, O chief of the Yadavas. Name what Thou wishest. However difficult of attainment they be, Thou shalt have them still".

 

The blessed Krishna said: "Bowing my head with great joy unto that mass of energy and effulgence, I said these words unto that great Deity, with a heart filled with gladness, -firmness in virtue, the slaughter of foes in battle, the highest fame, the greatest might, devotion to Yoga, Thy adjacence, and hundreds upon hundreds of children- these are the boons I solicit of Thee".

 

"So be it" said Sankara, repeating the words I had uttered. After this, the Mother of the universe, the upholder of all things, who cleanses all things, who is the spouse of Sarva (Siva), that vast receptacle of penances said with a restrained soul these words unto me:

 

"The puissant Mahadeva has granted Thee, O sinless one, a son who shall be named Samva. Do Thou take from me also eight boons which Thou choosest. I shall certainly grant them to Thee"

 

Bowing unto her my head, I said unto her:

 

"I solicit from thee non-anger against the Brahmanas (Brahmins), grace of my father, a hundred sons, the highest enjoyments, love for my family, the grace of my mother, the attainment of tranquillity and peace, and cleverness in every act!"

 

Uma said: "It shall be even so, O Thou that art possessed of prowess and puissance equal to that of a celestial. I never say what is untrue. Thou shalt have sixteen thousand wives. Thy love for them and theirs also for Thee shall be unlimited. From all Thy kinsmen also, Thou shalt receive the highest affection. Thy body too shall be most beautiful. Seven thousand guests will daily feed at Thy palace."

 

Vasudeva continued: "Having thus granted me boons both the god and the goddess disappeared there and then with their Ganas. All these wonderful facts, I related fully to that brahmana of great energy, viz., Upamanyu (from whom I had obtained the Diksha before adoring Mahadeva). Bowing down unto the great God, Upamanyu said these words to me" :

 

Upamanyu said: "There is no deity like Sarva. There is no end or refuge like Sarva. There is none that can give so many or such high boons. There is none that equals him in battle."

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From Srimad Bhagavata Purana

Book 10, Discourse 69

Translated by Sri C.L.Goswami, M.A., Shastri

 

Krishna -16000 Wives (Part 2)

 

Sri Suka said: Having heard that the demon Naraka had been killed and that Sri Krishna had singly married girls, the sage Narada felt eager to see how the Lord lived with them (all).

 

He said unto himself: Oh, How wonderful it was that the one Lord should with one personality marry 16000 (sixteen thousand) wives in separate houses all at once. Thus full of curiosity and eager to see (this sport of) the Lord (with his own eyes), the divine sage came to (the city of) Dwarka, which was adorned with parks and gardens in full blossom and resounded with the warbling of birds and the humming of bees. It was rendered noisy with the loud crackle of swans and cranes residing in ponds that were spread over with full-blown lotuses and lilies of various colours.

 

The city of Dwarka was studded with nine lakhs (900 000) of mansions built with crystal and silver, inlaid with shining emeralds and furnished with articles of gold and precious stones. It looked charming with its well-defined roads and other thoroughfares, quadrangles and market places, sheds for animals, temples and guildhalls. Its roads, courtyards, lanes and thresholds of houses were (daily) sprinkled with water. The ever-flying flags and pennons warded off sunshine.

 

In that city there was the most splendid (richly furnished) row of palaces of Lord Sri Krishna, admired by all the guardians of the world, in the construction of which Viswakarma (the celestial architect) had exhibited all his (architectural) skills. The row was adorned with sixteen thousand (beautiful) mansions of Sri Krishna’s consorts. Narada (at random) entered a big palace out of these. Supported on columns of coral, on excellent slabs of Vaidurya (gems like cat’s eyes) and walls of sapphire, it was provided with a floor whose lustre never faded- paved with the same precious stone. It was further furnished with canopies made by Viswakarma himself, from which strings of pearls were hanging, as well as with seats and beds made of ivory and inlaid with excellent gems. It was attended by maidservants adorned with gold necklaces, and dressed in fine clothes, and manservants wearing coats, turbans, fine clothes and jewelled earrings.

 

Dear Parikshit, the darkness in the palace was dispelled by the lustre of jewels serving as lights. Seeing fumes of burning aloe-wood issuing out of the air holes, the peacocks on its picturesque eaves screamed and danced under the impression that clouds were up. Narada saw Sri Krishna (the Lord of Yadus) seated there with the mistress of the house (Rukmini), who was herself fanning the Lord with a chowrie that was decorated with a gold handle, although she was constantly waited upon by thousands of maid-servants, who were equal to her in virtue, beauty, age and neat dress. Discerning the presence of Devarsi Narada, the almighty Lord Sri Krishna, the foremost among the supporters of virtue, immediately rose from the bed of Rukmini and bowing low with His head, adorned with a crown, at the feet of the sage with joined palms, and installed him on His own seat.

 

Sri Krishna is the supreme teacher of the world. By washing the Lord’s feet, Ganga has become capable of purifying all. The Protector of holy men, He has earned the appropriate title Brahmanya Deva by virtue of His (singular) devotion to the Brahmanas. The Lord (therefore) washed the feet of the Devarsi and bore that water on His head. Thereafter the Lord, who was no other than the most ancient sage Narayana, the eternal companion of Nara, duly worshipped the celestial sage Narada, according to the prescribed rules of (worship) and addressing him in measured words sweet as nectar, humbly said, "Pray tell me My lord, what service we may render your holy self.

 

Narada replied: O almighty Lord of the universe, it is no wonder that You love all Your devotees and chastise the wicked. O glorious Lord, You have come down to earth of Your own accord for the supreme welfare of all as well as for the sake of maintaining and protecting the world. We know this full well. (What a great fortune that) I have been enabled today to enjoy the sight of Your blessed feet, that bring to mankind supreme peace and deliverance, which are ever contemplated at heart by Brahma and others possessed of infinite wisdom. Thy feet are like a rope with the help of which men fallen in the deep well of worldly life may rise above it. (Kindly) bless me (wherever I may be) their thought (the thought of Thy feet) may (ever) haunt me and I may go about contemplating on them.

 

Dear Parikshit, then in order to ascertain the power of Yogamaya (divine glory) of the Lord of all masters of Yoga, Narada entered the mansion of another consort of Sri Krishna. (There) he saw Sri Krishna engaged in playing at dice with His beloved consort together with Uddhava. There also the Lord stood up (at the sight of the sage), offered him a seat and worshipped him with supreme devotion. Then, like one who was unaware of the sage’s arrival, He said, "When did you come? You are (established in the Self and) perfect, whereas we are imperfect beings. What service can we render to you? All the same, O sage, (be pleased to) command us and bless our (human) birth."

 

Narada, however, was astonished (when he heard this) and, silently rising from his seat moved to another mansion. There too he saw Sri Krishna fondling His infant sons. Again, in another house he found the Lord preparing for His bath. (In this way the Devarsi (Narada) found the Lord engaged in different activities, all at once, in all the different mansions).

 

If here Sri Krishna was engaged in pouring oblations in the sacrificial fire, there He was propitiating God through the five-fold daily sacrifices. Somewhere He was feeding the Brahmanas, while elsewhere He was partaking of the remaining food (Himself). Here He was performing Sandhya, and there the silent Japa of Gayatri. Here the elder brother of Gada was performing various tricks at sword fencing with sword and shield, and there He was riding on horses, elephants and in chariots. Here He was resting on His bed, and was being eulogized by bards. In one mansion, He was conferring with Uddhava and other counselors, and in another sporting in water surrounded by courtesans.

 

At one place He was giving away as gifts well-adorned cows to Brahmanas and listening to the recitation of auspicious Itihasa (history) and Puranas. In one mansion He was making merry and indulging in light talk with His beloved consort, and in another He was found engaged in the careful observance of Dharma. At a third place Narada found Him engaged in devising ways and means of accumulating wealth, and at another (in) enjoying the pleasures of the senses as permitted to a householder. At one place, the Devarsi saw Him seated all by Himself contemplating on the Supreme Person beyond Prakriti and at another doing service to the elders by offering them the desired objects of enjoyment and worship. At one place, he found Sri Krishna preparing for war against some enemies, and at another discussing terms of peace. Here the Devarsi saw Him devising with Balarama (Krishna’s elder brother) the ways and means of ensuring the well being of the virtuous, and there performing with grandeur the wedding with due ceremony of sons and daughters with brides and bridegrooms worthy of them.

 

Here He found Him conducting festivities on a large scale while sending off a married girl (to her husband) and receiving another (on return from her husband’s house). People were awestruck to see these grand festal activities of Bhagavan Sri Krishna (the Lord of masters of Yoga). Somewhere he saw Him offering worship to the various gods by means of grand sacrifices, and elsewhere observing piety through the construction of wells, gardens and temples etc. for public good. Here he found Him riding on a horse born in the Indus valley, followed by prominent Yadavas, in pursuit of game and killing animals fit for sacrifice in the course of such chase. At one place he saw Sri Krishna (the Master of Yoga) moving incognito among the people as well as in the mansions of the palace etc., for ascertaining the inward feelings of their inmates as well as of the people.

 

Having witnessed the display of the wonderful powers of Yoga by Sri Krishna, though following the ways of a human being, Narada spoke to Him as though laughing heartily. O Master of Yoga, we know (the secret of) Your wonderful powers of Yoga which cannot be easily seen even by wielders of Maya (like Brahma) and which have been revealed to our mind through the worship of Your lotus feet. Pray, grant me permission to leave, O Lord, to go, so that I may move about the (fourteen) worlds flooded with Your glory, singing loudly the story of Your pastimes, which is capable of purifying the (whole) world.

 

The Lord replied: O sage, I am not only the Teacher of Dharma, but I practise it Myself, and lend countenance to (those who practise) it. Follow the path of Dharma in order to teach the world (by My example). (Therefore), do not get perplexed, My son (at the sight of this My Yogamaya).

 

Sri Suka said: Thus, they say, the Devarsi (Narada) saw one and the same Sri Krishna (present in all the mansions of His consorts) performing the pious duties of householders which lead to their purification. Seeing again and again, in vast display of the wonderful Yogic power of Sri Krishna, who had infinite prowess, the curious sage was filled with astonishment. Duly honoured by Sri Krishna who (behaved as though He) made much of the first three objects of human pursuit, viz., Dharma (virtue), Artha (wealth) and Kama (enjoyment of life), the Devarsi felt much delight and went away, constantly thinking of Him alone.

 

For the good of the world O dear one, Lord Narayana takes the help of His (inconceivable) Yogmaya and begins to sport as a human being. Greeted with their bashful looks and friendly smiles by sixteen thousand noble wives, the Lord thus delightfully spent His days at Dwarka. O Parikshit, he who for his part celebrates the inimitable exploits performed by Sri Krishna- who is the supreme cause of the evolution, continuance and dissolution of the universe- or hear of them, or views with approbation their singing and hearing, attains loving devotion to the almighty Lord, the Bestower of liberation.

 

[Thus ends the sixty-ninth discourse entitled ‘A glimpse into the household life of Sri Krishna’ in the latter half of Book Ten of the great and glorious Bhagavata-Purana, otherwise known as the Paramahansa-Samhita.]

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[Guest guest]

Vedas & sruti are first authority.

 

prove from the vedas that ur shiva is supreme. otherwise dont post.

 

[barney]

NAMAKAM CHAMAKAM

 

 

 

 

Sri Gayatri Mantra – Parama Siva its Adhi Devata

 

Savita is the Devata for Gayatri Mantra and parama Shiva is the Adhi Devata. The word ‘Bharga’ denotes Shiva only Rudrabhishekam will invariably precedes Gayatri Homam.

 

Parama Shiva is known by the names. Soma, Rudra, Tamravarna, Aruna, Shanga, Ugra, Bhima, Agnivadha, Durevadha, Haniyamsa, Tara, Shambhu, Mayobhu, Shankara, Mayaska, Kalyanarupa, Shiva tara, Teerthya, Kulya, Parya, Avaya, Uttarana, Atarya, Aladhya, Shashya, Phenya, Sikatya, Pravahya, Mahadeva, Pasupati, Mrida.

 

Rudra is also known by the names (Triyambaka), Maheswara, Ahir bhudhya, Hara, Ekapada, Aja, Pinaka, Shambhu, Aparajita, Eesana in different contexts of Rudram.

 

Certain indispensable supplement Mantras in Namakam and also Sri Madbhinava Shankara Rudra Bhasyam (Dhyana Slokas) Anuvaka wise are included for recitation.

 

Namakam and Chamakam constitute one of the most exciting and spiritually advanced Vedic prayer on Lord Shiva. These Mantras when chanted in chorus by groups of Vedic pundits during rituals at home and in temples is a feast to hear them.

 

Purusasuktam is addressed to Virat purusa and is the essence of the divine glory.

 

Shiva panchakshari Mantra is treasured in it. It is found in all the (101) Sakhas of Yajurveda. By performing Rudra Japa all the Gods are invoked and intern bestows Bhukti and Mukti. Three hundred times salutations are offered in this Rudropasana and God is always pleased with repeated namaskars. Shiva resides in all Jivas and present in the entire universe.

 

Rudram as per the Yajurveda text consists of thirty seven Rks in various chandas (metres) comprising the Anuvakams one, ten and eleven and are hundred thirty Yajus in Anuvakams two and Nine and in the last line of eleventh Anuvakam. Badarayana comments in Brahmasutra.

 

“Amsho Nanavyapadeshat Anyatha Chapi dyasakita vaditya madhiyata Eke”

 

This Shruti expresses that Brahman is manifested in different Jivas in different forms. He is the fisherman, Slave, gambler, cheater, thief, marauder both on the lowest level to the highest evolution, sometimes as dharma and other times Adharma.

 

In Katavalli upanishad says “Tatona Vijugupsate” Every thing in this world is a part of God and one’s own Self. The Atharvana Mahavakya states. The self is Brahman.

 

Sages conceived that the universe subsides in Brahman as the four .. “Prapancopashamam shantam shivam Advaitani Chaturtham Manyante”. This is auspicious, peaceful and one. In this State of attainment there is no place for (Moha) lust, Soka (misery).

 

In the third Rk of Namakam, the Abhicakacihi denote illumine thy self which has in its sense the same meaning of Gayatri to realise his self. (Brahman).

 

THE IMPORTANCE OF RUDRADHYAYAM

 

“Rudra Syedam Rudriyam” These are related to Rudra hence known as Rudriyam. Sri Rudra is self efflugent and he is Mahadeva.

 

Rudradhyaayam is the essence of Yajurveda. This is considered more eminent than Rigveda and others. Rudropanishat is very famous in shruti, Smruti, Itihasa and puranas. Hence it is excellent and considered as the most best and eminent and powerful. Shata Rudriyam is an instrument of Moksha Sadhana in the lore of upanishats. It is stated “Sarvopanisadam Saro Rudradhyaayam” The essence of all Upanishads is Rudropanishat. In Maha Bharata in Drona Anushasinika parva the Sata Rudropanishat is very much extolled.

 

“Surapa ssvarnahari Rudra Japi Yati sthatah |

Sahasra Sheersajapica Mucyate Sarva Kilbisaih” ||

(Yajnavalkya)

 

Person standing in the waters and reciting Namaka Chamaka Purasa Sukta will be absolved of all sins.

 

“Prayatah praruthaya ya dadheete vishmpate |

Pranjalih Satarudriyam Nashya kin cha na durlabham” ||

 

By Constant effort if a person standing opposite to Surya with folded hands and chants Shata Rudriyam there will be nothing impossible for him.

 

In Kurmapurana Krishna under took pasupata diksha for one year, Smearing ash on the entire body and recited Rudradhyam.

 

In Jabalopanishat yajnavalkya stated to the Brahmacharis that by performing Satarudriya Japa and also with homam all will become immortal. In Kaivalyopanishat it is stated that the person who studies Satarudriyam will be purified by Agni and in Smrutis it is stated that the person who regularly recites will obtain liberation.

 

Any one, in any State of his life, at any time if Satarudriyam is recited daily he will cross the ocean of worldly life or any time adorned with Bhasma (ash) and with great devotion recites Rudradhyanam he will get Jnana (knowledge) by the grace of Lord Shiva. For those desirous of worldly pleasures and for obtaining liberation and purification during repentance there is no refuge other than Shatarudriyam. One will get easily the knowledge of Taraka Brahma Vidya by he Japa of Rudradhyayam.

 

Rudradhyayaproktan RudraNisvara Vibhuti rupa dharan |

Namatam duritam hrtva bhadram dishato bhaje hrdaye ||

 

The persons who recite Rudradhyayam (Namakam and Chamakam), and adorns bhasma (Vibhuti on their heads, limbs and chest of the body) and absolved of all evil propensities, such pious Rudra rupa dharis are being worshipped in the heart of hearts.

 

Steyam Kritva gurudaramscha gatva madyampitva. Brahma hatyamcha kritva, Bhasmacchanno bhasma shayyashayano Rudra dhyayi muchyate sarva papaih”

 

Stealing the gold of a Brahmin and having illegal contact with the wife of his teacher (Guru) and addicted to liquor, murdered a brahmin such person if Smears Bhasma (Vibhuti) and sleeps on the bed adorned with bhasma and recites Rudradhyayanam he will be absolved of all sins and mukti (liberation) is assured.

 

“Rahasi Krutanam mahapatakanamapi Shata Rudriyam Prashchittam” (Shankha Rsi)

 

Any acts performed secretly will be absolved by reciting Shata Rudriyam. It is considered as a repenting act for purification.

 

“Ekadasha gunanvapi Rudra Navritya dharmavit,

Mahapapai rapi Sprusto muchyate naatra samshayah” (Angirasa)

 

Even a person committed grave acts of sins if he chants sri Rudram Eleven times he will be cleared of all such sins and gets purified.

 

“Yascha Rudraan, Japennityam dhyaaya maano Maheswaram, yascha Saagara paryantam Sashaila VanaKaananaam, Sarvannaadi gunopeta Suvriksha Jala Shobhitam, dadyat kaanchana Samyuktam bhumim choushadhi Samyutam, tasmadapyadhikam tasya sakru drudra Japadbhavet, mama bhavam Samutsujya yastu Rudraan Japet Sada, Sate Naiva Cha dehena Rudram Samjayate dhruvam” (Vayu Puranam).

 

One person regularly meditates on Rudra and recites his name (Rudra japa), another person gives in charity, lands full of forests, steeped with variety of crops and good trees, with Sumptuous waters, and several medicinal herbs. Such person who performs Rudrajapa is equivalent to the person who gives the entire universe. He gets punya much more than him.

 

Shiva is the Chief commander of pushti (Sumptuousness). He grants Vaakpushti (the capacity of Speech), Jnaanapushti (power of knowledge), Shareerendriya pushti (Strong and Sturdy body), Gruha kshetra pushti (Palatial Mansions and lands), Dhana dhaanya pushti (Abundant wealth and corps), Praja pushti (tremendous peoples following), Pashu pushti (cattle wealth) Gopushti (groups of Cows), Dharma Pushti (Enormous pious acts), Animaadi pushti (The eight siddhis). These pushtis are controlled by Rudra.

 

Hence we find the Namakam and Chamakam are used invariably for the Vedic and Agamic worship of Lord Shiva in all the household rituals and in the Sacred temples and also in Ayush Homa as per the Kalpa.

 

Yo Rudrou Agnou Yo Apsu ya osadhisu Yo Rudrou

Vishva bhuvana Vivesha tasmai Rudraya Namo Astu ||

 

We bow to Sri Rudra who is present in fire, in water, in trees and plants and in the entire universe, the all pervading.

 

Once the third pontiff of Sringeri Sarada Peetam Sri Narasimha Bharati Swamy during his travels of punya teerthas towards puna side was was passing through thick Jungles during night. Suddenly thieves surrounded him and his entourage. They threatened him to remove the entire Jewellery of the Deity Chandra moulisvara and hand it over to them.

 

Swamiji asked them to relieve the Jewellery if they can do it. At this instance the thieves were very happy because without any stiff encounter the Jewellery was asked to be taken away.

 

The thieves spread their black Shawl made of sheephair (Kambali) and collected all the golden ornaments on it. They caught hold of the black shawl on all the four sides, folded it and about to lift it. They found it to be extremely heavy. The shawl started giving away into several pieces and these pieces were being held by them. They found that wherever the Jewels were kept on the Shawl those places became burnt and black. They were afraid at that sight.

 

They prostrated at the feet of Acharya and begged his pardon.

 

Swamiji told them that God is also great for thieves too and stated he too is Taskaranam patih and reiterated them not to forget it and gave his protection.

 

Exactly in Namakam Taskaranam patih was told as an accomplishment and compliment to Lord Shiva while extolling in the prayer and while offering salutations.

 

Namakam is referred as Rudram.

 

Vidyasu Shruti rutkrsta Rudraikada Shini Shrtou |

Tatra panchakshari tasyam Shiva ityakshara Rudram ||

 

Vedas, the source of learning is supreme. Next is Rudra Ekadasi in Vedas. “Namashivaya” (the Shiva panchakshari in Rudram) is supreme and in this the two letter Shiva is par excellence.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

ur words clearly shows signs of pure interpolation.

 

[Guest guest]

as a vaishanava its against for me to invite dedbates. i only debate when my philospohy/sampradayam is insulted.

 

so i dont wanna debate with u

 

Jai Shri Krishna.

 

Love all.

[Guest guest]

Narad Pancharatra succinctly states:

 

Shivo Harirhariha Shakshatchiva Eva Nirupitaha |

Shivadveshi Haridrohi Vishnum Nityam Bhajanapi ||

 

Shiva is Hari and Hari is none other than Shiva. An enemy of Shiva is an enemy of Hari, even though he may daily worship Vishnu.

 

[Guest guest]

Barney,

You said, hearing is a feast to your ears.

 

I was a part of the feast on many number of occasions.

It comes automatically and spontaneous.

 

Well I used to go to Siva temples during PradoshaKalam and I used to chant along with a crowd of other people.

Another interesting thing I observed is, I used to see three christians, with lot of devotion ( I know they are Christians as their sons studied with me) walking along with the crowd and go round the temple three times.

 

One particular incident I can recall is, when in College, my professor also chants RudraPrashnah during PradoshaKalam, and we became very close and had a good rapport with him when we came to know that we shared a lot of things in common.

 

Ramakrishna Mutt has done a great service to the world by releasing a translation by "ANNA", which itself is based on the translation by Vishnusoori and Bhaskara.

 

And to add to whatever you have said, the Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra is a part of rudraprashnah. While applying the holy ash, one need to face east, and apply the ash to ones forehead, taking care, it does not fall to the ground, and recite the mantra simultaneously.

 

[barney]

You ask me to prove as so di I. Please do not be offended. That is why I said there are much much more in the Hindu scriptures than you could conceive. Learning only the Gita will not help you. Please remember that the thiru moortis [bharama, Vishnu and Sadhasiva] are one but had taken different function and they came from one source that is SAKTHI. Meaning of Sakthi is power and is defined as a female and we call it Athi Sakthi or Para Sakthi. You need to broaden your mind and learn more of the scriptures or at least do some research only than will you undersand what it is all about. Your Guru had interpreted the Gita to his knowledge to convience the west that God is one so as to let them explore his teachings but in the east it is different. We would like to probe and discover the essance of the Vedas. Sorry, if I had hurt your ego.

[Guest guest]

Dear Shaviatee,

 

I follow dwaitham. I also worship shiva because shiva is a best vaishnavaite. instead of pulling me to hinduism why dont u just study "works done by Holy Sri Sri Madhvacharya".

 

thats the problem with you guys. whenver we give hands to shake u guys thrust ur philosophy on us saying our gurus had interpoolated the scriptures. ugly suggestion. i am sure that advaite gurus had interpolated all the scriptures otherwise it wouldnt have been proved false by vishistadvaita & dwaita scholars.

 

anyway theres everything in gita. could you tell anything which is not in gita ? (dont tell that ur shaiva fanatism are not in gita).

 

anyway i just replied to ur ugly suggestion. i dont wanna pick up fight with u guys.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dont try to over smart ok. i had read bible, kuran, buddhism , mahavira & ur shiva purana , periya purana also.

 

but only vaishnavam (gita) showed me divine path & gave me "peace of mind". Moreover my community deity is "Lord Venkateswara". i am happy with dear god balaji.

 

i also goto shiva temple in shivarathri every month.

 

do u goto vishnu temple every ekadashi (ie., monthly)? im sure answer will be no. so u broaden up ur mind & respect vishnu.

 

no one has brainwashed me to vaishnavam and no guru interpolated me.

 

i picked up vaishnavam because god balaji attracted me rather than other hindu gods.

 

so its my wish.

 

i am not a orthodox iyengar aas you are thinking.

 

only it is you have to broaden ur mind instead of hurting vaishnavatees.

 

i have manu muslim friends & christian friends. i share my views with them & they also. till now everything smooth.

 

i dont have any ego. but same time i will also keep up my philosophy (dwaitham) at its superior place.

[Guest guest]

"i dont have any ego. but same time i will also keep up my philosophy (dwaitham) at its superior place."

 

Dwaitam is certainly NOT superior, it is only superior in YOUR opinion, but your opinion amounts to nothing when you consider the millions of Hindus who are tolerant of other peoples belief. Your quote above is quite amusing since you stated you have no ego, but your posts otherwise prove you to have a huge ego problem!

 

By the way, for your information, Vaishnavites have caused problems with other sects, they have fought with Shivite sadhus at the Kumbh mela in the past and even between other Vaishnava sects over their Beliefs (which should be personal opinion) such as Hare Krishnas and Swaminarayan. let's not even get into the philosophical Vedanta clash between Ramanuja's (Visishtadwaitam) and Madhva's (Dwaitam). So don't act as if all Vaishnavites are innocent.

 

Gokul, you may have read other scriptures, but from your attitude it looks as if you haven't learnt much. Vaishnavism may work for you but it doesn't work for everyone, so let them follow the path they see fit for them.

[Guest guest]

if u see me as ego, it is certain that u have ego because mind is ur mirror.

 

shaivam is also not a SUPERIOR. it may sound SUPERIOR to you. not to me or to other vaishnavas.

 

if shaivam works out for you , you join the path. dont thrust ur philosophy into others.

 

i didnt thrusted my philosphy into you. only u try to thrust ur philosophy into me.

 

dont think u are master of all scriptures.

 

path u follow reveals ur knowledge. (u may take this sentence as you like).

 

i gave my hand to shake , but u thrusted ur philosphy. thats the problem. nothing else.

 

if u dont wnna shake hand with me, then its ur wish.

 

 

Jai Shri krishna

[Guest guest]

wrong is on both sides. leave it. lets close this chapter.

 

[Guest guest]

Gokul,

 

Here is your problem...you have ASSUMED that I'm a Shivite, you also ASSUMED what philosophical school people are like Advaitist...something you detest. Because you see me in poor light you have created an imaginary enemy in your mind. This is wrong as and I want you to get something clear into your head...I'm NOT A SHIVITE!

 

Stop assuming. I don't think Shiva is superior or inferior and NOWHERE have I said so, stop putting false words in my mouth! You are trying to make out that I said things which I didn't. You're your own worse enemy.

 

From your previous post it seems you are talking about yourself that me, as you're a very poor judge of character. You do not know me, so don't think as if you do.

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

Where does it say here in either Namakam or Chamakam that Lord Rudra is supreme. Nowhere to my knowledge.

 

There is a verse(R.V. 7:40:5) that explicitly says that Lord Rudra gained His powers by worshipping Lord VISNU.

 

[Guest guest]

Do you atleat know what Rudram and Chamakam is? Dont ask childish questions. Do you know what Maha Deva means?

 

Namaste asthu Bhagavan Vishveshvaraya, Mahadevaya, thriyambakaya, thripurantakaya, thrikaagnikaalaya, kaalaagni rudraya, neelakantaya, nithyanandaya, mruthyunjaya, Sarveshvaraya, Sadhashivaya, Shreeman Rudraya, Namah.

 

Do you recognise where this is from? And try to understand the meaning of each word.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

My Namaskars to Lord Rudra, the greatest Vaishnava.

 

 

Namaste astu bhagavanh vishveshvaraya mahadevaya tryambakaya tripurantakaya trikagni kalaya kalagnirudraya nilakanthaya mrutyunjayaya sarveshvaraya sadashivaya shrimanmahadevaya namah

 

Let my salutations be to that great God who is the Lord of the universe; the great God who has three eyes and who destroys Tripura, the three Asura cities.

 

To that God who is the Dandhya time when the three sacred fires are lit; who is Rudra the fire that consumes the universe; whose throat is blue; who has conquered death; the Lord of all; the ever auspicious one; salutations to that glorious and great God.

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

For your information, the above verse is not properly part of Rudram or Shruti or Tatittiriya Samhita of Yajur Veda. I know this is repeated at the end of first anuvakam of Namakam. If you do not believe me please go and ask your AchAryA.

 

This verse is an obvious interpolation or addition of Rudram repeated by overzealous Shaivites aka Advaitists(I know most advaitists are Shaivites and I come from sucha family background).

 

So I request you to learn properly before spouting erroneous information. If you do not believe me, refer to the the following website.

 

http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/mirrors/vv/scripture/rudram/rudram1.html

 

 

I prostrate before the great Lord, the protector of the Universe,

the Supreme Lord, the three-eyed, the destroyer of the three cities of the Asuras, the personification of time when the three sacred fires are lit,who is the fire at the time of the dissolution of the Universe, who has a blue throat, who has vanquished death, who is the Lord of gods, who is always auspicious.

Note : The above sloka is not a part of the Rudram but is invaribly repeated at the end of the first anuvaka.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The only problem is you really did not Care to ask an ACHARYA or have read Rudram. You have performed a google search and pasted the contents from the link.

 

I am giving you another link, check that out ( hope you are able to read it).

 

Its kali kal that one has to beat a link with another link.

 

And if you still repeat that the mantra is repeated after each stanza, you dont have to go to an acharya ( I Know you will go to google again) just buy a Rudram Casette or Visit a Siva temple ( again thats odd, as you guys dont have the habit of accepting all gods) and listen to Rudram Chanting.

 

It is you who is spreading false information.

 

http://www.srividya.org/slokas/HTML/Rudram_Sanskrit.htm

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

Dear Sir,

 

Acting emotionally does not change anything. The truth is that particular verse of Rudram is not found in Taittiriya Samhita of Rig Veda from where Rudram mantras are recited. Those priests that follow Shaiva agamas added it to the Rudram and so it is repeated.

 

The fact still remains that the verse you quoted does not appear in Yajur Veda(Shruti) and so that verse cannot be considered authentic. Case closed.

 

Another point is the link takes you to a web version of Rudram. I do not deny that the verse is found in Rudram. What I say is the verse cannot be found in SRUTI ie Yajur Veda which gives the actual original true Rudram. Do some work before giving erroneous information and there is no need for so much emotion here.

[Guest guest]

Can you please Post the original "Yajur Veda"?

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry if I conveyed that sort of a tone.

Most tamil people cannot read Devanagiri. I guessed you shud be a tamilian.

 

Well, It is available in all the mantra books I have, and all the mantra books my grand father had ( who was a Shastri). So if you think those are not real Vedas, then how can I believe the link you have posted?

 

Do you see the point?

 

I even have the books published in from the north ( Kashi).

 

So if all that is not original? What else is original?

How do you prove the authenticity ?

 

 

 

[barney]

Well, if that is what your hear says let it be. But I do not see anything ugly in any posting here. I see views and interpretations and that is healthy to my mind and so are to others but if you feel that speaking out our mind is ugly than you should not reply to my posting. Why are you hostile? I am no here to speak evil of your Guru or your belief merely pointing out where you amy have thought wrong. Anyway, have a pleasant day.

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

 

Well, It is available in all the mantra books I have, and all the mantra books my grand father had ( who was a Shastri). So if you think those are not real Vedas, then how can I believe the link you have posted?

 

Do you see the point?

 

I even have the books published in from the north ( Kashi).

 

So if all that is not original? What else is original?

How do you prove the authenticity ?

 

 

Well what mantra are you talking here. Are you talking about original publications of Yajur Veda or that of Rudram. Mantras published as Rudram will obviously have the extra mantra not found in Yajur Veda.

 

You can check this on Taittirriya Samhita of Yajur Veda(Starts Yajur Veda 4:5:1). Starting from the verse mentioned Rudram mantras are taken. Why don't you try Svaveda website. For translation I would suggest to get help from an AchAryA of Advaita sampradaya itself.

 

I can refer you to the following website. But again you may go in denial as you will not trust the source. Anyway it's here.

 

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/yv/yv04.htm

[Guest guest]

Sarvadeva namaskaram kesavam partigachhati..

 

whom ever you pray it goes to lord vishnu.

 

Vagartha viva samprutto vagartha pratipattaye

jagata pitarou vande paravathi pa rameswaro.

 

I am praying the two fathers of the world (siva and vishnu)

who are inseperable like the voice(vakku) and and its meaning.

 

in the above poem its said (rama+ eeswara)=vishnu.

 

sivaya vishnu roopaya siva roopaya vishnave

sivacha hrudayam vishno vishniosha hrudayam sivaha

 

siva nad vishnu are same and only one.

 

So, no fight. There is only one. You are calling the same and one self with two names. No difference, He is the Self.

 

 

He is called rama in puranas, brahman in vedas, and shiva in tantras.

 

He is sat chit ananda.

 

Thanks,

Phani.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

"Vedas & sruti are first authority.

 

prove from the vedas that ur shiva is supreme. otherwise dont post."

 

From Atharvana Veda, Shivasankalpa.

 

"Paraath paratharo Brahmaa Yathparrathparatho Harih

Thathparaath Paratho Ishah Thanme Manah Shivasankalpamasthu"

 

'Brahmaa is Beyond the Para (Imperceptibles); Hari is Beyond Brahmaa. Isha (or Shiva) is Beyond Hari....'

 

So there you go.

 

This is why Pushpadanta says, with so much love:

 

"Thava Thathvam Na Jaanaamaami..."

 

'I don't understand your Thathva or Roopa, Oh Shiva, but whatever Thathva you have, salutations to that Thathva again and again'.