barney Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 "TEXT 38 Thereafter, at the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respected gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn sudra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the Supreme Chastiser. The symptoms of the worst conditions of the material world, at the last stage of this life, called Kali-yuga, are stated herein. The sum and substance of such conditions is godlessness. Even the so-called saints and higher castes of the social orders, generally known as the dvija-janas or the twice-born, will become atheists. As such, all of them will practically forget even the holy name of the Lord, and what to speak of His activities. The higher castes of society, namely the intelligent class of men guiding the law and order of the society, and the productive class of men guiding the economic development of the society, must all be properly versed in knowledge of the Supreme Lord, knowing factually His name, quality, pastimes, entourage, paraphernalia and personalities. The saints and the higher castes or orders of the society are judged by their proportion of knowledge in the science of God, or tattva-jnana, and not by any kind of birthright or bodily designations. Such designations, without any knowledge of the science of God and practical knowledge of devotional service, are considered to be decorations of the dead bodies. And when there is too much inflation of these decorated dead bodies in society, there develop so many anomalies in the progressive, peaceful life of human being. Because of the lack of training or culture in the upper section of the social orders, they are no more to be designated as the dvija-janas, or twice-born. The significance of being twice-born has been explained in many places in these great literatures, and again one is reminded herewith that birth, executed by the sex life of the father and mother, is called animal birth. But such animal birth and progress of life on the animal principles of eating, sleeping, fearing and mating (without any scientific culture of spiritual life) is called the sudra life, or, to be more explicit, the uncultured life of the lower class of men. It is stated herein that the government power of society in the Kali-yuga will be passed over to the uncultured, godless laborer classes of men, and thus the nrdevas (or the ministers of the government) will be the vrsalas, or the uncultured lower-class of society. The symptoms of such uncultured social animals are already in vogue, and it is the duty of the leaders of men to take note of it and try to reform the social order by introducing the principles of twice-born men trained in the science of God consciousness. This can be done by expanding the culture of Srimad-Bhagavatam all over the world. In the degraded condition of human society, the Lord incarnates as the Kalki avatara and kills all the demonic without mercy." Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 2, Ch. 7 Text 38 (A.C. Bhaktivedanta, Srimad Bhagavatam, 1987, p. 422.) The Kalki Avatar When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law, Shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, A portion of that Divine Being who exists of his own spiritual nature, In the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, And who comprehends all things shall descend upon the earth. He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin, Of Sambhala village, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his irresistible might, He will destroy all the barbarians and thieves, And all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then reestablish righteousness upon earth; And the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age, shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time, Shall be as the seeds of human beings, And shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita Age, the Age of Purity. Vishnu Purana 4.24 Who speaks the truth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 both.. bhaktivedanta/bhagavat purana is speaking about the symptoms and characteristics of kali yuga, the vishnu purana speaks of the appearance of kalki avatara at the end of the age the comment of bhaktivedanta is echoed in: "When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law, Shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh" very nice, two different nice styles to say the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 if any difference bothers you, then find a guru and ask him. or just read gita, that is if you have interest in practicing hinduism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted February 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Hinduism does not base alone in Gita. As for your infor Gita is only part of Hinduism and there is more beyond Gita. Tell me what constitutes Hinduism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gouri Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Aum Krishna, HInduism is like a vast sea. It is hard to say what makes a sea. And different people attatch different views to it. A fisherman like his mother or way to earn.. A child to play.. A scientist , yet another one... Depending on books will prove fruitless reaching at one point since the rest can be felt ..only felt , not read. Prayers Gouri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 "Tell me what constitutes Hinduism? " hinduism is a muslim word to learn sanatana dharma you need a true bona fide guru, scriptures (bhagavad gita is essential), and tradition/acharyas shraddha = faith and rationality school, culture, training no sentimental beliefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Hare Krishna, I find myself wanting to see Kalki. One gets excited at the prospect of meeting an incarnation of God. However, knowing that the only way Kalki will show himself is when the state of this earth is so degraded makes me happy that we are not quite at the 'apocalypse' yet. Krishna is still being followed and that is all that matters. It must be strange though. The Bhavishya Purana is the history of the future - hence all of it is undoubtedly true. So, no matter what we do, the Age of Kali will continue to degrade further, and Kalki will come to save humanity. Let's hope we are all liberated before then. Haribol, Nimesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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