Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 What are the grammar rules to write a shloka? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 16, 2003 You could begin with checking out the very helpful articles here: http://www.granthamandira.org/~jagat/articles/showcatpicks.php?thiscat=9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Did you ever get the DAT tape converted? It would be nice to have the audio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Remember, before I left for India I tried getting it done with one eccentric musician hippy friend of mine. It got delayed and delayed until a few days before my departure he finally got to his studio, but then he couldn't figure out how to do it after all. I didn't have the time to pick up the tape from him prior to my departure. Now I should find his phone number and track him down from wherever he is floating around the cosmos right now. Stay tuned. I haven't had much time for that yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Some of those articels are reall nice. But I hope that the poet who wrote this dirty verse is burning in hell now. Chi Chi Chi "Sex with one's own wife is for procreation, with a prostitute to quieten one's malaise, but the congress that is the most pleasurable [and thus most worthy of the name surata], which is most difficult to obtain-- that with the wives of other men" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 This is not the teaching of our shaastras. This is the teaching of a filty person. It makes me sick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Reading those articles make me really want to puke. He Ram, how can this be possible. We should not teach this kind of bullshit to our daughters. This is worse than television. Those poets were dirty minded. I don’t hope they called themselves vaishnavas. I can say they were not hari bhaktas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Did you read the article on Sanskrit verse and meter? Madhavji, If you can't get it done, send it back. I should be able to get it transfered to CD here. Trouble is no one uses DAT any more--and hardly anyone did in the first place. It's like BETA in video--and with DVD being the current technology, who's got BETA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 This is not the teaching of our shaastras. This is the teaching of a filty person. It makes me sick. Hold on, did you understand the context at all? http://www.granthamandira.org/~jagat/articles/showarticle.php?id=20 According to your conclusion, then, the loving affairs of Sri Krishna and the maidens of Vraja are filthy. The point of the stanza is degrees of intensity of love. The wedded love (svakiya) is socially acceptable and tends to become routine-some, while the unwedded love unapproved of by the society is of a different nature. Do not be so hasty, my friend, in your incautious judgement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 <font color=#660099>That which follows the above quote:</font> Though he indicated that he did not approve of the proselytization in favour of adulterous love found in Kutt and works of that type, Rudra Bhatta seems to have been the first Sanskrit writer to find something positive to say about the paroDhA nAyikA. Rudra's main characterization of this nayika is that she is brazen, as indeed most of the examples show her to be. Though Rudra Bhatta betrays no particular interest in Krishna (his benedictory verses are Shiva-oriented), his sympathetic example of the paroDhA certainly gives a foretaste of the later Vaishnava descriptions of Radha: <blockquote>Ignoring even the advice of my friends, renouncing the shyness appropriate to my station, abandoning the burden of fear, erasing entirely all pride in my own good fortune, only taking the orders of my guru, the god of love, I have taken shelter of you, the crest-jewel amongst lovers, who have caused me to ignore all others.</blockquote>Ultimately, though, Rudra Bhatta shows favour for the kanyA over the paroDhA, though this approval is hardly based on moral grounds: <blockquote>The wife has no other choice, the wife of another must be bought with gifts, the unmarried girl has only love, and is therefore preferred by lovers.</blockquote> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Why are you trying to twist our hindu dharma? Read this now from puranas: urdhvabaahur aham vachmi shrinu me paramamvachah govindedhehi hridayam na yonau yaatanaa jushi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Did you read the article? No one is trying to "twist" anything. The above was a quotation from a Sanskrit verse by Damodara Gupta in Kuttani-matam. Damodara Gupta lived in Kashmir in the 9th or 10th century. dAra-ratiH santataye vyAdhi-prazamAya ceTikAzleSaH | tat khalu surataM surataM kRcchra-prApyaM yad anya-nArISu || (verse 811) The other two are: Sringara Tilaka by Rudra Bhatta 2.31ad: ullaGghyApi sakhI-vacaH samucitAm utsRjya lajjAm alam hitvA bhIti-bharaM nirasya ca nijaM saubhAgya-garvaM manAk | AjJAM kevalam eva manmatha-guror AdAya nUnaM mayA tvaM niHzeSa-vilAsi-varga-gaNanA-cUDAmaNe saMzritaH || Ibid. 1.61; ananya-zaraNA svIyA dhanAhAryA parAGganA | asyAs tu kevalaM prema tenaiSA rAgiNAM matA || Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Ok, I don't know what I am saying here. But i certainly don't like that Damodara Gupta. Can you give me a translation of your verses? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 After sixty, she attains good fortune, she becomes the equal of Rambha after a hundred; but Indra cedes a place on his throne to the wanton when she has known her thousandth lover. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 There are thickets nearby, the gods are hidden, there are lots of young men around; because we have given you in marriage to an old man: don't cry, my dear, for his village is a good one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 After sixty, she attains good fortune, she becomes the equal of Rambha after a hundred; but Indra cedes a place on his throne to the wanton when she has known her thousandth lover. Were did you get that filth from? Were is that written. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 There are thickets nearby, the gods are hidden, there are lots of young men around; because we have given you in marriage to an old man: don't cry, my dear, for his village is a good one. Oh yes, Hindu dharma! Praise, praise. I guess it has to be there to facilitate the scenario of secret love in Vraja. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Look in the earlier post. I am not saying "Like Damodar Gupta." I am just saying that he said this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Were did you get that filth from? Were is that written. Tone down that voice. Oh yes, and if you do wish to go on with the raised voice, come out with your name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jagat 1 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Jayavallabha's VajjA-lagga (ca. 740A.D.). It's in Prakrit. Here is the Sanskrit version: SaSThyA bhavati subhagA zatena rambhAtvaM ca prApnoti | pUrNe jAra-sahasra indro'rdhAsanaM dadAti || Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 urdhvabaahur aham vachmi shrinu me paramamvachah govindedhehi hridayam na yonau yaatanaa jushi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 urdhvabaahur aham vachmi shrinu me paramamvachah govindedhehi hridayam na yonau yaatanaa jushi Reference? I think you said, "puranas", which purana, which chapter and verse? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I don't think that. I think such a bitchy women is going to bloody hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 from padma puraana, second last chapter from swarga kanda. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raga 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2003 I don't think that. I think such a bitchy women is going to bloody hell. Apparently you lost track of the point altogether. Nobody here is advocating any particular view, especially not adultery. Jagat is examining the concepts found in the classical Sanskrit texts to gloss the way in which the extramarital love of Radha and Krishna is understood in the light of rasa-shastra. Why be so passionate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
