vinay Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 “Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”. This is a line from the yajur veda. can someone translate this for me in english and explain what it means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animesh Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 It means, "Those who worship natural things enter darkness. Those who worship created things enter even deeper into darkness." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted October 13, 2001 Report Share Posted October 13, 2001 Animesh: Nice translation. How did you draw that out? 11Sep2001 certainly supports your vision. Those Twin Towers were not only New York's Deities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animesh Posted October 14, 2001 Report Share Posted October 14, 2001 Hey, I was not thinking of 11 sept. 2001. I just read the verse and made the translation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay Posted October 19, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 "Those who worship natural things enter darkness. Those who worship created things enter even deeper into darkness" if this is what the sanskrit verse means, then is it not a sin for us to worship idols in our houses and in temples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay Posted October 22, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 "Those who worship natural things enter darkness. Those who worship created things enter even deeper into darkness" if this is what the sanskrit verse means, then is it not a sin for us to worship idols in our houses and in temples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audarya lila Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 Vinay, You will have to go deeper than that. You are looking at the surface. The answer is, of course, yes it is a sin to worship any idol. But you are mistaken is you think that the acha-vigraha of Sri Krsna is an idol. I will post some words on this matter spoken by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati tonight if I get the chance. Your servant, Audarya lila dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 When ViSNujan SwAmI offered prasAd, while bowing down, forehead aground, he'd recite a special prayer aloud in English which contained the phrase: "For You can change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter as You like." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 When ViSNujan SwAmI offered prasAd, while bowing down, forehead aground, he'd recite a special prayer aloud in English which contained the phrase: "For You can change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter as You like." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted October 22, 2001 Report Share Posted October 22, 2001 When ViSNujan SwAmI offered prasAd, while bowing down, forehead aground, he'd recite a special prayer aloud in English which contained the phrase: "For You can change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter as You like." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suryaz Posted October 23, 2001 Report Share Posted October 23, 2001 Originally posted by Tarun: When ViSNujan SwAmI offered prasAd, while bowing down, forehead aground, he'd recite a special prayer aloud in English which contained the phrase: "For You can change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter as You like." So what of the argument that life cannot come from matter ???? Arguments of this kind are not consistent with the view that the Supreme "can change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter" ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay Posted October 24, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2001 Bhagavat Gita 7-23 : Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet. Bhagvad Gita 7-24:The foolish regard Me as the unmanifested coming in manifestation, knowing not My higher, immutable, unsurpassed nature. Not knowing my higher nature as the Supreme Self, the ignorant think that I have just now come into manifestation, having been unmanifested hitherto, though I am the ever luminous Lord.To what is their ignorance due The gita also suggests that it is wrong to believe that God in the manifested form can be worshipped, because if done so, then it is done by people of lesser intelligence! Further, na tasya pratima asti” (There is no image of Him) [Yajurved 32 : 3] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay Posted November 1, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 Bhagvad Gita 7:23- antavat tu phalam tesam tad bhavaty alpa-medhasam devan deva-yajo yanti mad-bhakta yanti mam api Bhagvad Gita 7:24- avyaktam vyaktim apannam manyante mam abuddhayah param bhavam ajananto mamavyayam anuttamam these are the sanskrit slokas of the above english translations of thhe gita above. ------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinay Posted November 11, 2001 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Bhagavat Gita 7-23 : Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet. Bhagvad Gita 7-24:The foolish regard Me as the unmanifested coming in manifestation, knowing not My higher, immutable, unsurpassed nature. Not knowing my higher nature as the Supreme Self, the ignorant think that I have just now come into manifestation, having been unmanifested hitherto, though I am the ever luminous Lord.To what is their ignorance due The gita also suggests that it is wrong to believe that God in the manifested form can be worshipped, because if done so, then it is done by people of lesser intelligence! Further, na tasya pratima asti” (There is no image of Him) [Yajurved 32 : 3] Bhagvad Gita 7:23- antavat tu phalam tesam tad bhavaty alpa-medhasam devan deva-yajo yanti mad-bhakta yanti mam api Bhagvad Gita 7:24- avyaktam vyaktim apannam manyante mam abuddhayah param bhavam ajananto mamavyayam anuttamam these are the sanskrit slokas of the above english translations of thhe gita above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makhanmisri Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 "Just as a spider brings forth from its heart its web and emits it through its mouth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead manifests Himself as the reverberating primeval vital air, comprising all sacred Vedic meters and full of transcendental pleasure. Thus the Lord, from the ethereal sky of His heart, creates the great and limitless Vedic sound by the agency of His mind, which conceives of variegated sounds such as the sparsas. The Vedic sound branches out in thousands of directions, adorned with the different letters expanded from the syllable om: the consonants, vowels, sibilants and semivowels. The Veda is then elaborated by many verbal varieties, expressed in different meters, each having four more syllables than the previous one. Ultimately the Lord again withdraws His manifestation of Vedic sound within Himself." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makhanmisri Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Originally posted by vinay:“Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”. Here's how Srila Prabhupada translates it in Ishopanisad 12: Those who are engaged in the worship of demigods enter into the darkest region of ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of the impersonal Absolute. cf., text 9: andham tamah pravisanti ye ’vidyam upasate | tato bhüya iva te tamo ya u vidyayam ratah || Those who engage in the culture of nescient activities shall enter into the darkest region of ignorance. Worse still are those engaged in the culture of so-called knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmisra Posted June 11, 2002 Report Share Posted June 11, 2002 Originally posted by vinay: Further, na tasya pratima asti” (There is no image of Him) [Yajurved 32 : 3] We have to be careful as to the context of the slokas. God as in Brahman is without form. So worshipping Brahman's idol would not be correct. But the supreme Godhead Krisna is with form and worshipping his idol seems fine to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarun Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 Transforming matter to spirit can be done by God, generally by injecting jIvAtma at conception time, but not confined to that. Voodoo worship includes phantoms entering & animating matter etc. Balcksmith iron kept in fire becoming red-hot like fire is another aspect of same proposal. So many devotees did so much seva for so many years, then somehow or other returned to material life. We describe them: He used to be so fired up, she used to sell so many books... Fired up means? When tamoguN passes rajoguN on up to sattvaguN we say "Fired up!" First Canto 2nd Chapter verse: "Smoke is better than wood, but fire is best, similarly..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ems Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I saw the translations. This is not correct. This verse is a difficult verse to understand. Asambhuti does means "Prakriti" and hence it means everything we see hear etc in this universe. Sambhuti means the Hiranyagarbhan (According to Adi sankara). Hiranyagarbhan is Brahma the creator or simply it means seed of creation or seed of creator or GOD. This is a strange way isavasya upanishad saying the meaning. So meaning of this verse is "Those who worship, Prakriti [ONLY] goes to darkness and those who worship creation seed (GOD?) alone , enter even more darkness. So Sambhuti and asambhuti both need to be worshipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ems Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I saw the translations. This is not correct. This verse is a difficult verse to understand. Asambhuti does means "Prakriti" and hence it means everything we see hear etc in this universe. Sambhuti means the Hiranyagarbhan (According to Adi sankara). Hiranyagarbhan is Brahma the creator or simply it means seed of creation or seed of creator or GOD. This is a strange way isavasya upanishad saying the meaning. So meaning of this verse is "Those who worship, Prakriti [ONLY] goes to darkness and those who worship creation seed (GOD?) alone , enter even more darkness. So Sambhuti and asambhuti both need to be worshipped. Again, isavasy says , Those who worship Avidya alone enter darkness and those, who worship Vidya alone enter even more darkness. Here Vidya means worship of Gods and Godesses and Avidya means performing varna asrama dharma (caste rules and rituals). The real meaning is one should both observe caste rules and also worship Gods and Godesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ems Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Also, imported vinay, tell me what do you mean by the below isavasyopanishad sentence from yajur veda? sambhutim cha vinasham cha, yastad vedo bhayam saha, vinasena mrutyum teerthua, sambhutyamruta masnutey. With vinasha (Asambhuti?) conquer death and with Sambhuti get Amrutham (moksha? godhood?).... So as per you both sambhuti and asambhuti are useless. But this sloka negetes it.... These are useful to conquer death and get godhood???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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