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Hi Nina, I'm so glad that you've joined our Group and that you are now running

with the Safeties. Just a personal take on Crown pressures from me:

 

My own (possibly unique) experience is that pressures in the Crown or roving

pulsations in the scalp generally, come from shallow (almost imperceptible)

breathing from the top of the lungs.

 

This is made worse by any form of confrontational or competitive pressure

translating into anxiety that tends to express itself in a mini form of

hyperventilation, sometimes below the surface of my consciousness. In turn,

this leads to solar plexus agitation.

 

Now, the solar plexus, at least in my case, is the engine-room for spontaneous

inter-chakra energy movement and once this diaphragm area has been disturbed, a

rush of head pressure usually follows, almost as if there is some

short-circuiting of energy streams and an overload is trapped in the head with

electricity plunging and soaring in search of an escape route. This can lead to

further anxiety and a ratcheting of the cycle upward, to include an ascent of

searing heat ,irritability, lack of day-time focus and poor quality sleep.

 

In my case, strenuous forms of yoga, meditation and other " interventions " amount

(as says), to pouring petrol on a fire.

 

As you are finding also, the solutions for me are very much contained in the

Safeties in witnessing everything empathetically or without judgement,

harmonising, stretching patience intervals in convoluted conversations or in

queues, rarely saying " no " as a reflex response, abandoning fixed positions

that have come from the history of accidents that have led to my present mindset

and doing service almost as a self-cancelling antidote to worrying about " little

me "

 

Most importantly though, I set aside periods, preferably when I'm lying down, to

focus on watching the rise and fall of the breath within the diaphragm. If these

sessions are repeated many times, the breathing becomes re-harnessed to truly

rotational energy flows and, in my case, to a soothing of head pressures. Love

- John.

 

 

 

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Nina wrote:

 

" ............One of the things that brought me to this group was the amount of

pressure I was feeling in my crown. The pressure had been intensifying and

spreading to my left temple....This was before I knew of the safeties.......... "

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John, thank you for sharing your experience with me. I will keep your words in

mind the next time I am experiencing these. I have been through a fair amount

of material on the KAS 1 website, but don't recall seeing anything in regard to

" pouring petrol on fire " . Did write about this topic on the site or with

this group that you can recall?

Thanks again.

Love, N

 

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Just a personal take on Crown pressures from me:

 

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Hi there Nina, - nice to hear from you again.

 

About 14 months ago, I was experiencing some extreme symptoms including

incredible heat which, in retrospect, I attribute to not following all aspects

of the Safeties at the time of my awakening. I reported my symptoms to Chrism

in a fairly desperate email, saying that I was trying to get relief by pushing

into various self-styled yogic manoeuvres and a lot of counter-productive

repetitions of the First (spinning) Tibetan. I was also trying to visualise blue

within various chakras.

 

 

This was Chrism's reply which I hope he doesn't mind my quoting::

 

" John, the last thing you will want to do INSIDE OF YOUR PHENOMENA is spinning.

This would be like putting out the fire with gasoline. Same with any sexual

expression you have perhaps experienced. Stay well hydrated and eat as much

watermelon as you can. STOP ALL PRACTICES. Everything that is what you have

become used to doing , needs to come to a stop. You can try the left nostril

breathing but only if it makes a difference and if it doesn't or if it makes

things worse discontinue it. Do NOT go overboard by hyperventilating through the

left nostril. No blue in the chakras or anything. I know this is difficult. But

doing spiritual based practices at this time will only make it worse and longer

lasting. Regardless of what others may say to attempt to help. With the

discontinuance of your practice in place, stay with the increased hydration and

watermelon. Take cool to cold baths or showers. This will last as long as the

Kundalini in you decrees that it last. It doesn't help to do energetic

practices! There is the cold aspect of the Shakti but you may by accident

simply reverse the process and be too cold all of the time. It will come from

the first chakra and rise up the front typically. Try this if you feel up to it

- take an ice cube and place it next to the skin on the lower front abdomen. As

you feel the cold " call the cold " from the first chakra by matching that

frequency with the feeling and the summoning - understand? I did this and for me

it wasn't difficult. Be careful not to bring it on too strong John or you may

simply become way out of balance with cold. - Let me know your thoughts. -

"

 

 

 

 

Chrism makes the same warning about not using petrol (gasoline)to put

out a raging Kundalini fire in post no.s:

 

15

4899

12549

20920

34205

44223 and perhaps more recent ones that the disabled Search function

can't track.

 

Just to finish, while my extreme symptoms for the most part have now subsided or

gone, I can't stress enough to others, the importance of following the Safeties

without exception in any lead-up to an Awakening - Love John.

 

 

 

 

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Nina wrote:

 

" I have been through a fair amount of material on the KAS 1 website, but don't

recall seeing anything in regard to " pouring petrol on fire " . Did write

about this topic on the site or with this group that you can recall?... "

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Good Evening, John:

Thanks for sharing all this information. I don't even know how I am supposed to

define my state. I suppose it is " awakening " . Although, I feel like she is

already awake. I guess I am not active? in that I haven't had a mind-blowing

experience where I felt my chakras light up like a pinball machine.

 

I'm a bit confused, as I am consistently told to follow ALL of the safeties, but

it sounds like I may be aggravating some aspects of my system by doing so. I am

focusing on the safeties where I feel like I need the most work (forgiveness,

patience with people, turning around negative thoughts that occur, and food).

Some of the safeties are second nature with a newly added awareness (tongue up,

gratitude, programming, honesty, and trust in the process). The prayers as

defined on the site are difficult for me in that I have a personal problem with

the word " God " and thinking of what I believe to be energy as deities. Due to

exposures I have had, I feel the word " God " is not infinite enough to describe

what I call " Tao " and has too much baggage--wars, depicted as a white old man,

politics/money--in Western society. I know the Godheads all the same thing, but

the word " God " mostly makes me cringe and be wary of the source. Once again, I

realize that this is a problem that I have and will have to address. Also, I

wasn't certain that I wanted to evoke Shakti yet, but if she is already present,

I may as well have her helping me.:)

 

Meditation is something that I do a fair amount of, but without any discipline.

I am still getting comfortable with putting together my personal ritual of the

safeties. I suppose I should try them all for at least a week. :) I think I am

going to contact regarding some other symptoms that I am having where I

think the `eyes up' may be counterproductive. First, I will check out the post

#s you so generously provided and see if my questions are not answered there. I

will let you know what comes of this.

 

With thanks and love,

Nina

 

 

" John R " <...> wrote:

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>

>

> Hi there Nina, - nice to hear from you again.

>

> About 14 months ago, I was experiencing some extreme symptoms including

incredible heat

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Hi Nina,

 

And welcome to the group.

 

You can surrender to the Tao if that is more appealing to you. There are many

flows of energy in the universe. Tao is undifferentiated source, the same as

Nirguna Brahman in Hinduism. From the One comes the two (yin and yang=Shakti

and Shiva), and then the many. These dimensions being worlds of duality, Tao

differentiates into two, then many, streams. Yet the entire multiverse is at

the same time the flow of the Tao. (How can undifferentiated Oneness flow?

Words are insufficient.)

 

Shakti and Shiva are personifications of yin and yang energies - emanations from

wuji (undifferentiated oneness). Many other beings are also emanations. So are

you.

 

There are more beings in this multiverse than we can imagine, in all stages of

existence and many dimensions. Some of them have jobs to do keeping the worlds

running. Some of them have the job of assisting some of us back to the Source.

Throughout time, some of these beings have been named by humans as " gods " or

" goddesses " . In many cases, they simply represent a particular stream of

energy, an emanation which they carry and channel and represent in these

dimensions of duality. An energy stream manifesting a body for itself, just as

we do to fulfill our purposes in these material worlds. There are some energy

streams that manifest in form that you can ride back to the One. Hooking up

with an energy stream that leads you Home is not so bad. That's what you do

when you worship God in form.

 

At a certain point in your path, you may find yourself drawn to worship or

express devotion to one of these emanations in form. You might find Shakti in

Her outer manifestation as Kwan Yin appealing.

 

We all come to spirituality with our egos and minds, which have been conditioned

and prejudiced and filled with opinions by our experiences in this and past

lives. We mistake these things for ourselves, when in fact they are sheaths or

coverings over that which we are - soul, a spark of the Divine, Atman, pure

awareness - whichever words work for you. Don't let these outer sheaths that we

wear like so many items of clothing get in the way of worshipping the Divine.

 

Why worship the Divine? Because worship=devotion=love which leads to surrender

which leads to dissolution of that which makes you think you are separate from

the object of your devotion which leads to merging your awareness with the

Divine. Hence bhakti yoga, which could be translated as the process of yoking

your awareness to the Divine through love and devotion. And all during the

process, even before your " final dissolution " (drop of water, ocean), you get to

experience the day to day and moment to moment joy of being filled with love and

devotion, which only deepens with surrender.

 

It all sounds great until you have to do it. Then the mind and the ego rebel.

Still, it's not really that hard. Praying is a way of expressing surrender to

the Divine, as well as love and devotion. Surrender to that which is within and

without you, which is greater than your mind and your ego, who have mostly been

in charge up until now.

 

You can pray to the Tao, you can pray to Shiva, Shakti, Isis, Kwan Yin, Apollo

and Diana - the list goes on. The important thing is to appeal to the Divine

for Grace, for Love, for Surrender, etc. - to develop a personal relationship

with the Divine, in whatever form He/She/It manifests for you.

 

Use this personal relationship you are developing with the Divine in the service

of others. Pray for others in need. Ask the Divine to assist them.

 

You already have a personal relationship with the Divine. God lives within you

as Shiva and Shakti and as your own awareness.

 

You can worship and pray to your chosen gods or goddesses in their well-known

pictured forms or in their less concrete form as streams and flavors of energy

emanating from the Divine. Don't be surprised though if one or another of them

one day appears to you, real as the nose on your face, just to show you that

their forms and their formlessness are the same.

 

So pray with gusto. Feel yourself fill with longing for the Divine. Beg for

assistance from that which is greater than your mind and your ego. You will be

personally interacting with the formless Tao, the gods and the goddesses within

you and without you, your Higher Self, and all those beings, powers, and forces

that can assist you and that have assisted others throughout eternity on this

sacred journey.

 

Love,

 

David

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Nina,

 

I just read your post about your wonderful tiger dream. You can pray to the

Shakti Tiger if you wish - this will also fulfill the safety of prayer!

 

Love,

 

David

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Amen David - Thank you for this beautiful and uplifting message on prayer.

Blessings to you. Love Helen

 

 

 

, " djgottlieb "

<dgottlieb wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Nina,

>

> And welcome to the group.

>

> You can surrender to the Tao if that is more appealing to you. There are many

flows of energy in the universe. Tao is undifferentiated source, the same as

Nirguna Brahman in Hinduism. From the One comes the two (yin and yang=Shakti

and Shiva), and then the many. These dimensions being worlds of duality, Tao

differentiates into two, then many, streams. Yet the entire multiverse is at

the same time the flow of the Tao. (How can undifferentiated Oneness flow?

Words are insufficient.)

>

> Shakti and Shiva are personifications of yin and yang energies - emanations

from wuji (undifferentiated oneness). Many other beings are also emanations.

So are you.

>

> There are more beings in this multiverse than we can imagine, in all stages of

existence and many dimensions. Some of them have jobs to do keeping the worlds

running. Some of them have the job of assisting some of us back to the Source.

Throughout time, some of these beings have been named by humans as " gods " or

" goddesses " . In many cases, they simply represent a particular stream of

energy, an emanation which they carry and channel and represent in these

dimensions of duality. An energy stream manifesting a body for itself, just as

we do to fulfill our purposes in these material worlds. There are some energy

streams that manifest in form that you can ride back to the One. Hooking up

with an energy stream that leads you Home is not so bad. That's what you do

when you worship God in form.

>

> At a certain point in your path, you may find yourself drawn to worship or

express devotion to one of these emanations in form. You might find Shakti in

Her outer manifestation as Kwan Yin appealing.

>

> We all come to spirituality with our egos and minds, which have been

conditioned and prejudiced and filled with opinions by our experiences in this

and past lives. We mistake these things for ourselves, when in fact they are

sheaths or coverings over that which we are - soul, a spark of the Divine,

Atman, pure awareness - whichever words work for you. Don't let these outer

sheaths that we wear like so many items of clothing get in the way of

worshipping the Divine.

>

> Why worship the Divine? Because worship=devotion=love which leads to surrender

which leads to dissolution of that which makes you think you are separate from

the object of your devotion which leads to merging your awareness with the

Divine. Hence bhakti yoga, which could be translated as the process of yoking

your awareness to the Divine through love and devotion. And all during the

process, even before your " final dissolution " (drop of water, ocean), you get to

experience the day to day and moment to moment joy of being filled with love and

devotion, which only deepens with surrender.

>

> It all sounds great until you have to do it. Then the mind and the ego rebel.

Still, it's not really that hard. Praying is a way of expressing surrender to

the Divine, as well as love and devotion. Surrender to that which is within and

without you, which is greater than your mind and your ego, who have mostly been

in charge up until now.

>

> You can pray to the Tao, you can pray to Shiva, Shakti, Isis, Kwan Yin, Apollo

and Diana - the list goes on. The important thing is to appeal to the Divine

for Grace, for Love, for Surrender, etc. - to develop a personal relationship

with the Divine, in whatever form He/She/It manifests for you.

>

> Use this personal relationship you are developing with the Divine in the

service of others. Pray for others in need. Ask the Divine to assist them.

>

> You already have a personal relationship with the Divine. God lives within

you as Shiva and Shakti and as your own awareness.

>

> You can worship and pray to your chosen gods or goddesses in their well-known

pictured forms or in their less concrete form as streams and flavors of energy

emanating from the Divine. Don't be surprised though if one or another of them

one day appears to you, real as the nose on your face, just to show you that

their forms and their formlessness are the same.

>

> So pray with gusto. Feel yourself fill with longing for the Divine. Beg for

assistance from that which is greater than your mind and your ego. You will be

personally interacting with the formless Tao, the gods and the goddesses within

you and without you, your Higher Self, and all those beings, powers, and forces

that can assist you and that have assisted others throughout eternity on this

sacred journey.

>

> Love,

>

> David

>

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Hello David,

 

I found your message very nicely written. The sentence that I have left is the

one that I found particularly helpful in understanding `gods' personified. I

will write more when I have a chance.

 

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

 

Love,

Nina

 

 

, " djgottlieb "

<dgottlieb wrote:

>

 

> Shakti and Shiva are personifications of yin and yang energies - emanations

from wuji (undifferentiated oneness). Many other beings are also emanations.

So are you.

>

>

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