Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Dear Bruce and All: Would you be so kind to express further on what is meant by surrender my attachment to beauty. My brain cannot wrap itself around this. Detach from the object which encapulates the beauty, or to detach from the beauty itself? The beauty is the Divine. How does one detach from something that is One or All? Or how does one know the difference between being attached to beauty or just being of the beauty. I experience the Divine in things other than that which is " pretty " . Thank you for any " clarification " . Love: ~Danielle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Hi Danielle, The aspect of beauty you are referring is that perceived through 5 senses.This beauty  is not permanent.All that exsists in the world is matter and energy we are attracted to. They are bunch of different permutation and combination of electrons and protons.Electrons are nothing but electric charged particles.In short what we are attracted to is electrons and protons.I may have refer ed sometime back that a deer meets it's death as he is attracted to sound of flute,an elephant by rubbing his body or head against a pine tree,moth is attracted by light,fish by taste of the bait,bee by the smell of flowers.These sensuous objects are fatal than poison of a snake.These sensuous objects can kill us spiritually.By getting attracted through only one sense ie sight,sound,touch,taste,etc animals meet death.We use all 5 senses to get attracted to so called beauty.   As this is transitory, going to be destroyed by time we should not seek pleasure from these.The beauty of divine / Shiva /Shakti/ supreme soul or our soul is permanent.We should be attracted to the divine and not to objects of senses.    This is what Bruce may have to say regarding detachment  to beauty., or surrender to attachment of beauty.................shrikant ________________________________ iamwaitingmoon <iamwaitingmoon Sat, 24 April, 2010 7:35:53 PM Surrender attachment to beauty  Dear Bruce and All: Would you be so kind to express further on what is meant by surrender my attachment to beauty. My brain cannot wrap itself around this. Detach from the object which encapulates the beauty, or to detach from the beauty itself? The beauty is the Divine. How does one detach from something that is One or All? Or how does one know the difference between being attached to beauty or just being of the beauty. I experience the Divine in things other than that which is " pretty " . Thank you for any " clarification " . Love: ~Danielle H Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Hmm...I understand the non attachment to objects, but it is the divine within the object that I experience; it is the radiance,the brilliance and light that shines upon the dew drop, or the voice of the sacred within the breeze. There is not a division in such. Is that not the splendor of being human and being connected with this earth; to experience that Divine within, as well as without? I feel strongly that I am attracted to the Divine; but too I do love the beauty before me. I feel this beauty is an extension of the Divine, is it not?? Isn't that part of the balance? It makes me think of a bumper sticker I read once... " If god wanted me to be a vegetarian, then why did he make animals so tasty. " (That's a joke but what relates here). I'll have to really sit with this, and read it several times over; and permit such to penetrate and resonate from my heart center. Thank you Shrikant. Love and Blessings. ~Danielle , shrikant phule <shrikantphule wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > > The aspect of beauty you are referring is that perceived through 5 senses.This beauty  is not permanent.All that exsists in the world is matter and energy we are attracted to. They are bunch of different permutation and combination of electrons and protons.Electrons are nothing but electric charged particles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Dear Danielle, Why depend on the external objects? when one has everything within.How can a blind man enjoy sunrise or sunset ? how can a deaf enjoy music ? We should not depend for joy or pleasure by being attached to external objects.    Some school of yoga ask a student to concentrate on external object such as flowing river,beautiful flower etcThis is called Sabeeja samadhi, ie samadhi with seed (river flower is seed ).In my opinion  during meditation too one should try to concentrate within then only thoughtless condition will lead you to dawning of spiritual light, this is called nirbeeja samadhi or state of trance without concentrating on an external or internal  object................shrikant  ________________________________ iamwaitingmoon <iamwaitingmoon Sun, 25 April, 2010 10:01:52 AM Re: Surrender attachment to beauty  Hmm...I understand the non attachment to objects, but it is the divine within the object that I experience; it is the radiance,the brilliance and light that shines upon the dew drop, or the voice of the sacred within the breeze. There is not a division in such. Is that not the splendor of being human and being connected with this earth; to experience that Divine within, as well as without? I feel strongly that I am attracted to the Divine; but too I do love the beauty before me. I feel this beauty is an extension of the Divine, is it not?? Isn't that part of the balance? It makes me think of a bumper sticker I read once... " If god wanted me to be a vegetarian, then why did he make animals so tasty. " (That's a joke but what relates here). I'll have to really sit with this, and read it several times over; and permit such to penetrate and resonate from my heart center. Thank you Shrikant. Love and Blessings. ~Danielle Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Danielle, > > The aspect of beauty you are referring is that perceived through 5 senses.This beauty  is not permanent.All that exsists in the world is matter and energy we are attracted to. They are bunch of different permutation and combination of electrons and protons.Electrons are nothing but electric charged particles. Dear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 24, 2010 Hey Danielle, " God walks also among the pots and pans " . This is one of St Teresa of Avila's favourite sayings. She was very Kundalini active... Beauty lies in all things, I think it is divine! And this beauty lies within our struggles and growth as well. Divinity is in everything. be well, bradly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2010 Dear Danielle, I agree with you that beauty is within and without. I feel and experience that beauty is constant in this changeable world, that yes, beauty permeates all.... all is beauty and beauty is all. Danielle You know beauty, you express beauty, you are beauty, as are we all. Many years ago I bought a picture of a lilly flower that had these words written underneath, these words touched me then and stil do... Beauty Great indeed is the sublimity of the eternal. to which all beings owe their begining and which permeates all heaven. When I went to the philosophy school the topic of beauty was one that brought about much debate as folks defined what beauty actually was. I love reading what Kahil gibran says about everything so I am quoting him again re beauty , he reflects the aspects of beauty that were discussed in the philosophy group I attended, and how beauty is perceived in many ways.... I hope you enjoy this... lots of love, Julia. And a poet said, speak to us of Beauty. and he answered: Where shall you seek beauty, and how shall you find her unless she herself be your way and your guide? And how shall you speak of her except she be the weaver of your speech? The aggrivated and the injured say. " Beauty is kind and gentle. Like a young mother half shy of her own glory she walks among us " And the passionate say " Nay, beauty is a thing of might and dread, Like the tempest she shakes the earth beneath us and the sky above us " The tired and the weary say " Beauty is of soft whisperings, she speaks in our spirit Her voice yields to our silence like a faint light that quivers in fear of the shadow " But the restless say " We have heard her shouting among the mountains And with her cries came the sound of hoofs, and the beating of wings and the roaring of lions " At night the watchmen of the city say " Beauty shall rise with the dawn from the east And at noontide the toilers and the wayfarers say " We have seen her leaning over the earth from the windows of the sunset " In winter the snow-bound say " She shall come with the spring leaping upon the hills " And in the summer the reapers say " We have seen her dancing with the autumn leaves, and we saw a drift of snow in her hair " all these things you have said of beauty. Yet in truth you spoke not of her but of needs unsatisfied. And beauty is not a need but an ecstacy. It is not a mouth thirsting nor and empty hand stretched forth, But rather a heart inflamed and a soul enchanted. It is not the image you would see not the song you would hear. But rather an mage you see though you close your eyes and a song you hear though you shut your ears. It is not the sap within the furrowed, nor a wing attached to a claw, But rather a garden forever in bloom and a flock of angels forever in flight. People of Orphalese, beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil. Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror. ================================================================= , " iamwaitingmoon " <iamwaitingmoon wrote: > >it it is the divine within the object that I experience; it is the radiance,the brilliance and light that shines upon the dew drop, or the voice of the sacred within the breeze. There is not a division in such. Is that not the splendor of being human and being connected with this earth; to experience that Divine within, as well as without? I feel strongly that I am attracted to the Divine; but too I do love the beauty before me. I feel this beauty is an extension of the Divine, is it not?? Isn't that part of the balance? > > It makes me think of a bumper sticker I read once... " If god wanted me to be a vegetarian, then why did he make animals so tasty. " (That's a joke but what relates here). > > I'll have to really sit with this, and read it several times over; and permit such to penetrate and resonate from my heart center. > > Thank you Shrikant. > > Love and Blessings. > ~Danielle > > , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@> wrote: > > > > Hi Danielle, > > > > The aspect of beauty you are referring is that perceived through 5 senses.This beauty  is not permanent.All that exsists in the world is matter and energy we are attracted to. They are bunch of different permutation and combination of electrons and protons.Electrons are nothing but electric charged particles. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2010 Every saint's or philosopher's experiences are /her own.Master recently said everyone is unique.What applies to x may not for y or z.......................shrikant ________________________________ Julia <jajahern Sun, 25 April, 2010 11:41:34 AM Re: Surrender attachment to beauty  Dear Danielle, I agree with you that beauty is within and without. I feel and experience that beauty is constant in this changeable world, that yes, beauty permeates all.... all is beauty and beauty is all. Danielle You know beauty, you express beauty, you are beauty, as are we all. Many years ago I bought a picture of a lilly flower that had these words written underneath, these words touched me then and stil do... Beauty Great indeed is the sublimity of the eternal. to which all beings owe their begining and which permeates all heaven. When I went to the philosophy school the topic of beauty was one that brought about much debate as folks defined what beauty actually was. I love reading what Kahil gibran says about everything so I am quoting him again re beauty , he reflects the aspects of beauty that were discussed in the philosophy group I attended, and how beauty is perceived in many ways.... I hope you enjoy this... lots of love, Julia. And a poet said, speak to us of Beauty. and he answered: Where shall you seek beauty, and how shall you find her unless she herself be your way and your guide? And how shall you speak of her except she be the weaver of your speech? The aggrivated and the injured say. " Beauty is kind and gentle. Like a young mother half shy of her own glory she walks among us " And the passionate say " Nay, beauty is a thing of might and dread, Like the tempest she shakes the earth beneath us and the sky above us " The tired and the weary say " Beauty is of soft whisperings, she speaks in our spirit Her voice yields to our silence like a faint light that quivers in fear of the shadow " But the restless say " We have heard her shouting among the mountains And with her cries came the sound of hoofs, and the beating of wings and the roaring of lions " At night the watchmen of the city say " Beauty shall rise with the dawn from the east And at noontide the toilers and the wayfarers say " We have seen her leaning over the earth from the windows of the sunset " In winter the snow-bound say " She shall come with the spring leaping upon the hills " And in the summer the reapers say " We have seen her dancing with the autumn leaves, and we saw a drift of snow in her hair " all these things you have said of beauty. Yet in truth you spoke not of her but of needs unsatisfied. And beauty is not a need but an ecstacy. It is not a mouth thirsting nor and empty hand stretched forth, But rather a heart inflamed and a soul enchanted. It is not the image you would see not the song you would hear. But rather an mage you see though you close your eyes and a song you hear though you shut your ears. It is not the sap within the furrowed, nor a wing attached to a claw, But rather a garden forever in bloom and a flock of angels forever in flight. People of Orphalese, beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil. Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror. ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ======== Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " iamwaitingmoon " <iamwaitingmoon@ ...> wrote: > >it it is the divine within the object that I experience; it is the radiance,the brilliance and light that shines upon the dew drop, or the voice of the sacred within the breeze. There is not a division in such. Is that not the splendor of being human and being connected with this earth; to experience that Divine within, as well as without? I feel strongly that I am attracted to the Divine; but too I do love the beauty before me. I feel this beauty is an extension of the Divine, is it not?? Isn't that part of the balance? > > It makes me think of a bumper sticker I read once... " If god wanted me to be a vegetarian, then why did he make animals so tasty. " (That's a joke but what relates here). > > I'll have to really sit with this, and read it several times over; and permit such to penetrate and resonate from my heart center. > > Thank you Shrikant. > > Love and Blessings. > ~Danielle > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , shrikant phule <shrikantphule@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Danielle, > > > > The aspect of beauty you are referring is that perceived through 5 senses.This beauty  is not permanent.All that exsists in the world is matter and energy we are attracted to. They are bunch of different permutation and combination of electrons and protons.Electrons are nothing but electric charged particles. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2010 hi Danielle, and Bruce and Julia and Shrikant, and all old and new, forgive my injection to this very stimulating topic and posts of intrigue which has my K running through me for necessary reasons of purification....so thank you all for this pleasure these are just my K thoughts typing as i open to myself to learn what so many already `DO'.......so please forgive me.... O' K ? im seeing beauty to be a heart or venus chakra topic....venus is tricky, as love here is usually condition-all....unconditional love is rarely sustained as its from highest portion of heart chakra i realize how i see things depends on what chakra or mood that my consciousness is mostly resonating with=part of my self activated or engaged within. i as a human with form am as such will by egos throat adams apple chakra projecting outwardly and engaged in sense stimulation within 4-D experience. if i climb one chakra higher into the sun things become not as projected by ego, but rather clarity of luminosity envelops vision thus see more clearly.....it is as it is. understanding thus `that' , IT(out there) is as it IS(in here)....ahambrahmasmi principal. the object(ive) of beauty is same as object of ugly= to THINK but the beauty of beauty and the ugly of ugly is= to FEEL all matter is made of blissfully vibrating bubbles of love, just feel that, unify with that, which is all the same `thing' of everything, and harmonize in support of its existence = DO as swami nick wrote pre-autumnal-shaktipat, these three must be unified....else we are not in spiritual consciousness, or are not bearing light or fruit or real love, continually existent by choice we must seek that which K shows to our awareness when she is not there on the spot to whisper to us any fall or rise, is to move away from the mean=middle-susumna-divine consciousness-reality at its origin-all core this is why i feel my problem has always been my thinking ! its not what i think, its that thoughts interupt the deepest connections to reality, it steals attention, thus i forget = ignorance = fall again. be still my thoughts, let me re-member ! ....neti-neti-neti....return to rigpa, original consciousness, stay on channel 0m, samadhi, sun chakra this is what K helps me with most at this point in my life = she purges all of my fiction=thoughts so i can more purely feel the inner `drums of the islands' which beat in my heart. following by FEELING `ones' bliss means much more than what one may `THINK' ! if one falls into anything, it should be the original feeling of life, the river of giver. Through K, we trust. tim , " iamwaitingmoon " <iamwaitingmoon wrote: > > Hmm...I understand the non attachment to objects, but it is the divine within the object that I experience; it is the radiance,the brilliance and light that shines upon the dew drop, or the voice of the sacred within the breeze. There is not a division in such. Is that not the splendor of being human and being connected with this earth; to experience that Divine within, as well as without? I feel strongly that I am attracted to the Divine; but too I do love the beauty before me. I feel this beauty is an extension of the Divine, is it not?? Isn't that part of the balance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 25, 2010 Thank you Bradly. Yes, I experience this...though pots and pans are like tin cans and are beautiful to me. It's the dull and flat which took my breath away and caused me to say hey! It was truly a first time experience; it was like all things were beyond being lifeless (because even those things dead still have a radiance normally)...it was like what life would be like without the Divine presence (if that is possible). If there is a hell, I think that would be it. It's been very hard to place that into words. It was so much more than a contrast, it was a " without " . And what a teaching! I went to view an Ansel Adams exhibit at the art museum yesterday afternoon. When I stood before a photograph of Aspens all aglow, tears pooled in my eyes and big crocodile tears plopped on the floor. That was the Divine which I experienced. Had I stood before this without any of my 5 senses, it is the Divine which would have still been present; in me and in the trees, in the trees and in me. Divinity is in everything; isn't that just beautiful. Love and thank you: ~Danielle , " curball2002 " <curball2002 wrote: > > Hey Danielle, > > " God walks also among the pots and pans " . This is one of St Teresa of Avila's favourite sayings. She was very Kundalini active... > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
