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When I look into someone's eyes, my eyes open wide on their own, very

wide. Even if I look into my own eyes in a mirror.

 

I never lose when I play 'trataka' as a game with someone. When I

look into someone's eyes (or my own) soon I see just the eyes and rest

of the vision (body, background etc) is blurred. I see just the eyes.

Sometimes the other person (including myself) gets afraid.

 

Because of this, I avoid looking into people's eyes. What to do?

 

Thanks

Mani

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Try not to look into the eyes for the effect. Just have love based

intentions and look into another persons eyes without diving into

their privacy. See them as they are comfortable being seen with out

exploring further into the phenomena. Take the intention of looking

deep into someone else's eyes out of the equation.

 

It isnt so much an action of going into the other persons visual

awareness where one will experience the soul of the person. It is from

the entire presentation that the person puts out there for us to

experience that we receive those gifts. -

 

, " manig1979 "

<manigma wrote:

When I look into someone's eyes, my eyes open wide on their own, very

> wide.

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The Lord dwells in thy eyes!

 

Thanks

Mani

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Try not to look into the eyes for the effect. Just have love based

> intentions and look into another persons eyes without diving into

> their privacy. See them as they are comfortable being seen with out

> exploring further into the phenomena. Take the intention of looking

> deep into someone else's eyes out of the equation.

>

> It isnt so much an action of going into the other persons visual

> awareness where one will experience the soul of the person. It is

from

> the entire presentation that the person puts out there for us to

> experience that we receive those gifts. -

>

> , " manig1979 "

> <manigma@> wrote:

> When I look into someone's eyes, my eyes open wide on their own,

very

> > wide.

>

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And where does the heart dwell?

 

, " Chris "

<kundalini_awakening_teacher wrote:

>

> Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. - lol! -

> blessings Manny

>

> , " manig1979 "

> <manigma@> wrote:

> >

> > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!

> >

> >

>

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Mani,

The heart is the extension of the central universal sun, that radiates to our solar sun, that radiates from my heart.

 

Peering into another's eyes is most often invasive as it most often radiates the personality of the soul, not all of us wish to relate this way, feed back is sometimes like as if we put a microphone up to a speaker all that is heard is a screech. Though the character of a soul can be found by meditations of the heart. It is much more gentle.

Om mani padmi hum

John. M

 

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manig1979

Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 PM

Re: Eyes open wide

 

 

And where does the heart dwell? , "Chris" <kundalini_awakening_teacher wrote:>> Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. - lol! -> blessings Manny> > , "manig1979"> <manigma@> wrote:> >> > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!> > > >>

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Hi John

 

What you say is beyond my understadning yet :)

 

I thought the primal spirit dwells in the third eye, the true heart

of a person.

 

http://tinyurl.com/bfv4f8 - The Secret Of Secrets Vol1

http://tinyurl.com/c58t5p - The Secret Of Secrets Vol2

 

I have uploaded my photo for Shaktiapt and very curious about it.

Does this event takes place on a specific day?

 

Regards

Mani

 

, " JOHN. M "

<john.mathieson1 wrote:

>

> Mani,

> The heart is the extension of the central universal sun, that

radiates to our solar sun, that radiates from my heart.

>

> Peering into another's eyes is most often invasive as it most often

radiates the personality of the soul, not all of us wish to relate

this way, feed back is sometimes like as if we put a microphone up to

a speaker all that is heard is a screech. Though the character of a

soul can be found by meditations of the heart. It is much more gentle.

> Om mani padmi hum

> John. M

> -

> manig1979

>

> Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 PM

> Re: Eyes open wide

>

>

> And where does the heart dwell?

>

> , " Chris "

> <kundalini_awakening_teacher@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. - lol! -

> > blessings Manny

> >

> > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

1 , " manig1979 "

> > <manigma@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Mani,

Maybe though I always thought that the third eye is rtraditionally thought to be located at agna centre which is associated with the pituritary gland. Please correct me if I am incorrect

 

The primordial spirit of a mankind being to me is Shiva, father in heaven, Sarraswara, Pineal

 

The third eye centre agna is the female aspect of this the character the personality the translator and actor.

 

this two when in unison, have need to be expressive, they need to express love in and on the physical realm, and is the purpose for the extension of the physical earth water fire air and the lesser ether (throat) elements.

 

As far as I am concerned the primeval spirit relates to our early evolutionary substance that does not evolve only our understanding of ourselves have evolved, The physical substance evolved from spirit to gain conscious understanding of the universe we are a part of.

 

I believe our evolutionary process here on earth is to transmit love this is the expression that the universal creator transmitters downwards for us to come to relies and understand. This love is generally thought to be transmitted through our hearts in to others as well as all things concerning this planet we share.

 

Most humans of mankind souls do not realize this there consciousness is not with in the primeval centre mostly it is below the navel centre, there personality is located in the navel centre expression of manipura, This is the reflection of the higher self in which when the ego of the higher self is developed is of the mathuna of agni and bindu that in turn express itself through the heart.

Creation itself is not of this earth though comes though the deities of galactic space from the central sun eventually to our sun to our higher self (Primordial spirit self) that filters downwards to the gross physical.

 

When we look into the eyes of a soul who is still in the developmental stage we might quite often intrude. The lower personality is full of err as the higher I or truer ego is under developed. Human frailties are already known or senced, many people do not wish to be confronted with them, Staring into a persons eyes is quite often a confrontation, So it is I believe. To know some one it is better to look into there heart as it gives them the opportunity to rise above their lower ego.

 

Om main padmi hum, its the mantra concerning the goddess of compassion, she is the one that looks into your heart and shares her heart with you.

 

Shakti pat is by chrism it begins to take place 9 days before the equinox until 9 days after, Have fun with it.

 

In love

John .M

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

manig1979

Monday, February 16, 2009 2:42 PM

Re: Eyes open wide

 

 

Hi JohnWhat you say is beyond my understadning yet :)I thought the primal spirit dwells in the third eye, the true heart of a person.http://tinyurl.com/bfv4f8 - The Secret Of Secrets Vol1http://tinyurl.com/c58t5p - The Secret Of Secrets Vol2I have uploaded my photo for Shaktiapt and very curious about it. Does this event takes place on a specific day?RegardsMani , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1 wrote:>> Mani,> The heart is the extension of the central universal sun, that radiates to our solar sun, that radiates from my heart.> > Peering into another's eyes is most often invasive as it most often radiates the personality of the soul, not all of us wish to relate this way, feed back is sometimes like as if we put a microphone up to a speaker all that is heard is a screech. Though the character of a soul can be found by meditations of the heart. It is much more gentle.> Om mani padmi hum> John. M> - > manig1979 > > Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 PM> Re: Eyes open wide> > > And where does the heart dwell?> > , "Chris" > <kundalini_awakening_teacher@> wrote:> >> > Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. - lol! -> > blessings Manny> > > > , "manig1979"> > <manigma@> wrote:> > >> > > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!> > > > > >> >>

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Hi John

 

So the shaktipat by takes place from March 11 to 29, 2009. I

have marked this on my calendar :) Gotta be fit for the event.

 

From my own experiences, I understand that the 'third eye' is an

extension of the ajana chakra. Its the psychic seat of the soul...

the Golden Disc/Sun I saw in the dream. It is OM itself.

 

So third eye is not the Ajana/6th Chakra but its extension (like a

switch). It is located in the middle of the forehead between the

eyebrows. And from my recent experiences, it can be physically

located/felt.

 

I was not able to meditate from last few days (chilled water killed

my throat). But the kundalini was making a loud hum/vibrating sound

with my throat when I meditate. Like a loud O in OM. I sincerely

believe the sound being made is to activate / link-up with the third

eye or 6th chakra. I don't know really, Kundalini knows :)

 

I have read about the Shiva and Shakti union and what you say must be

true, but I have no experience of my own. But I do believe what Lao

Tzu says about the heart:

 

WHEN MEN ARE SET FREE FROM THE WOMB, THE PRIMAL SPIRIT DWELLS IN THE

THIRD EYE.

 

THE CONSCIOUS SPIRIT DWELLS BELOW IN THE HEART. THIS HEART IS

DEPENDENT ON THE OUTSIDE WORLD. IF A MAN DOES NOT EAT FOR ONE DAY, IT

FEELS EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. IF IT HEARS SOMETHING TERRIFYING IT

THROBS; IF IT HEARS SOMETHING ENRAGING IT STOPS; IF IT IS FACED WITH

DEATH IT BECOMES SAD; IF IT SEES SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL IT IS DAZZLED.

 

BUT THE HEAVENLY HEART IN THE HEAD, WHEN WOULD IT HAVE MOVED IN THE

LEAST? DOST THOU ASK: CAN THE HEAVENLY HEART NOT MOVE? THEN I ANSWER:

HOW COULD THE TRUE THOUGHT IN THE SQUARE (THIRD EYE) MOVE!

 

THE LOWER HEART MOVES LIKE A STRONG, POWERFUL COMMANDER WHO DESPISES

THE HEAVENLY RULER BECAUSE OF HIS WEAKNESS, AND HAS USURPED THE

LEADERSHIP IN AFFAIRS OF STATE. BUT WHEN THE PRIMAL CASTLE CAN BE

FORTIFIED AND DEFENDED, THEN IT IS AS IF A STRONG AND WISE RULER SAT

UPON THE THRONE. THE EYES START THE LIGHT CIRCULATING LIKE TWO

MINISTERS AT THE RIGHT AND LEFT WHO SUPPORT THE RULER WITH ALL THEIR

MIGHT. WHEN RULE IN THE CENTRE IS THUS IN ORDER, ALL THOSE REBELLIOUS

HEROES WILL PRESENT THEMSELVES WITH LANCES REVERSED READY TO TAKE

ORDERS.

 

Just let the chitta evolve. Yo!

 

love Om main padmi hum: http://tinyurl.com/bev2jv

Mani

 

, " JOHN. M "

<john.mathieson1 wrote:

>

> Mani,

> Maybe though I always thought that the third eye is rtraditionally

thought to be located at agna centre which is associated with the

pituritary gland. Please correct me if I am incorrect

>

> The primordial spirit of a mankind being to me is Shiva, father in

heaven, Sarraswara, Pineal

>

> The third eye centre agna is the female aspect of this the

character the personality the translator and actor.

>

> this two when in unison, have need to be expressive, they need to

express love in and on the physical realm, and is the purpose for the

extension of the physical earth water fire air and the lesser ether

(throat) elements.

>

> As far as I am concerned the primeval spirit relates to our early

evolutionary substance that does not evolve only our understanding of

ourselves have evolved, The physical substance evolved from spirit to

gain conscious understanding of the universe we are a part of.

>

> I believe our evolutionary process here on earth is to transmit

love this is the expression that the universal creator transmitters

downwards for us to come to relies and understand. This love is

generally thought to be transmitted through our hearts in to others

as well as all things concerning this planet we share.

>

> Most humans of mankind souls do not realize this there

consciousness is not with in the primeval centre mostly it is below

the navel centre, there personality is located in the navel centre

expression of manipura, This is the reflection of the higher self in

which when the ego of the higher self is developed is of the mathuna

of agni and bindu that in turn express itself through the heart.

> Creation itself is not of this earth though comes though the

deities of galactic space from the central sun eventually to our sun

to our higher self (Primordial spirit self) that filters downwards to

the gross physical.

>

> When we look into the eyes of a soul who is still in the

developmental stage we might quite often intrude. The lower

personality is full of err as the higher I or truer ego is under

developed. Human frailties are already known or senced, many people

do not wish to be confronted with them, Staring into a persons eyes

is quite often a confrontation, So it is I believe. To know some one

it is better to look into there heart as it gives them the

opportunity to rise above their lower ego.

>

> Om main padmi hum, its the mantra concerning the goddess of

compassion, she is the one that looks into your heart and shares her

heart with you.

>

> Shakti pat is by chrism it begins to take place 9 days before the

equinox until 9 days after, Have fun with it.

>

> In love

> John .M

-

> manig1979

>

> Monday, February 16, 2009 2:42 PM

> Re: Eyes open wide

>

>

> Hi John

>

> What you say is beyond my understadning yet :)

>

> I thought the primal spirit dwells in the third eye, the true

heart

> of a person.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/bfv4f8 - The Secret Of Secrets Vol1

> http://tinyurl.com/c58t5p - The Secret Of Secrets Vol2

>

> I have uploaded my photo for Shaktiapt and very curious about it.

> Does this event takes place on a specific day?

>

> Regards

> Mani

>

> , " JOHN. M "

> <john.mathieson1@> wrote:

> >

> > Mani,

> > The heart is the extension of the central universal sun, that

> radiates to our solar sun, that radiates from my heart.

> >

> > Peering into another's eyes is most often invasive as it most

often

> radiates the personality of the soul, not all of us wish to

relate

> this way, feed back is sometimes like as if we put a microphone

up to

> a speaker all that is heard is a screech. Though the character of

a

> soul can be found by meditations of the heart. It is much more

gentle.

> > Om mani padmi hum

> > John. M

> > -

> > manig1979

> >

> > Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 PM

> > Re: Eyes open wide

> >

> >

> > And where does the heart dwell?

> >

> > , " Chris "

> > <kundalini_awakening_teacher@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. - lol! -

> > > blessings Manny

> > >

> > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

> 1 , " manig1979 "

> > > <manigma@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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The mantras for the three higher centre's are said to be enteric, there beja mantras are om.

Agna is the personality of the higher self and its trigger point is between the eyebrows. though the actual centre or position is just in front of the pineal gland in the frontal lobe of the brain, The gray matter or primordial section of the brain houses the pineal gland. some refer to it as lalani chakra as it drips an intoxicant known as ambrosia sometimes bindu or the fontanel is associated to it as it is said is where the jiva of a new born enters the body through this point. it is also said when the jiva departs the body it leaves through bindu. Saraswarra the 1000 petaled lotus commonalty known as the 7th chakra is also associated to the pineal in many cases.

chidakasha to me is the viewable position of the akashic realm which is entered though though the forehead and viewed from inside out and is to me the link to the higher self during meditations, Though the higher self is in continuous meditation and yes it is I believe the 6th centre that brings the higher akashic realm down to mental understanding. Some see akasic records as a large book and so it seems some have described it as a library of books a nd such is the anomaly's that the third eye brings down to the understanding of the physical frontal lobe.

 

I believe something is happening when you feel the movements at the eye brow centre, and I have heard that in some people a pimple type eruption takes place once the third eye is open or in use. though in some people who have there third eye apparently opened it does appear to show as a brownish reddish thumb print when looking at it with peripheral vision. Though in others it does not so it might just depend upon specific sadanas and individual markups that prejudices understandings of the workings of agna.

 

Lao Tzu I have been quite un familiar with his writings though at fist to me was as clear as mud though I am finding the water is clearing as the dirt settles. Thanks for showing me this idea and sharing it with me.

om namaha shivaya

John

 

 

-

manig1979

Monday, February 16, 2009 10:39 PM

Re: Eyes open wide

 

 

Hi JohnSo the shaktipat by takes place from March 11 to 29, 2009. I have marked this on my calendar :) Gotta be fit for the event.From my own experiences, I understand that the 'third eye' is an extension of the ajana chakra. Its the psychic seat of the soul... the Golden Disc/Sun I saw in the dream. It is OM itself.So third eye is not the Ajana/6th Chakra but its extension (like a switch). It is located in the middle of the forehead between the eyebrows. And from my recent experiences, it can be physically located/felt.I was not able to meditate from last few days (chilled water killed my throat). But the kundalini was making a loud hum/vibrating sound with my throat when I meditate. Like a loud O in OM. I sincerely believe the sound being made is to activate / link-up with the third eye or 6th chakra. I don't know really, Kundalini knows :)I have read about the Shiva and Shakti union and what you say must be true, but I have no experience of my own. But I do believe what Lao Tzu says about the heart:WHEN MEN ARE SET FREE FROM THE WOMB, THE PRIMAL SPIRIT DWELLS IN THE THIRD EYE.THE CONSCIOUS SPIRIT DWELLS BELOW IN THE HEART. THIS HEART IS DEPENDENT ON THE OUTSIDE WORLD. IF A MAN DOES NOT EAT FOR ONE DAY, IT FEELS EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. IF IT HEARS SOMETHING TERRIFYING IT THROBS; IF IT HEARS SOMETHING ENRAGING IT STOPS; IF IT IS FACED WITH DEATH IT BECOMES SAD; IF IT SEES SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL IT IS DAZZLED.BUT THE HEAVENLY HEART IN THE HEAD, WHEN WOULD IT HAVE MOVED IN THE LEAST? DOST THOU ASK: CAN THE HEAVENLY HEART NOT MOVE? THEN I ANSWER: HOW COULD THE TRUE THOUGHT IN THE SQUARE (THIRD EYE) MOVE!THE LOWER HEART MOVES LIKE A STRONG, POWERFUL COMMANDER WHO DESPISES THE HEAVENLY RULER BECAUSE OF HIS WEAKNESS, AND HAS USURPED THE LEADERSHIP IN AFFAIRS OF STATE. BUT WHEN THE PRIMAL CASTLE CAN BE FORTIFIED AND DEFENDED, THEN IT IS AS IF A STRONG AND WISE RULER SAT UPON THE THRONE. THE EYES START THE LIGHT CIRCULATING LIKE TWO MINISTERS AT THE RIGHT AND LEFT WHO SUPPORT THE RULER WITH ALL THEIR MIGHT. WHEN RULE IN THE CENTRE IS THUS IN ORDER, ALL THOSE REBELLIOUS HEROES WILL PRESENT THEMSELVES WITH LANCES REVERSED READY TO TAKE ORDERS.Just let the chitta evolve. Yo!love Om main padmi hum: http://tinyurl.com/bev2jvMani--- In , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1 wrote:>> Mani,> Maybe though I always thought that the third eye is rtraditionally thought to be located at agna centre which is associated with the pituritary gland. Please correct me if I am incorrect> > The primordial spirit of a mankind being to me is Shiva, father in heaven, Sarraswara, Pineal> > The third eye centre agna is the female aspect of this the character the personality the translator and actor.> > this two when in unison, have need to be expressive, they need to express love in and on the physical realm, and is the purpose for the extension of the physical earth water fire air and the lesser ether (throat) elements.> > As far as I am concerned the primeval spirit relates to our early evolutionary substance that does not evolve only our understanding of ourselves have evolved, The physical substance evolved from spirit to gain conscious understanding of the universe we are a part of.> > I believe our evolutionary process here on earth is to transmit love this is the expression that the universal creator transmitters downwards for us to come to relies and understand. This love is generally thought to be transmitted through our hearts in to others as well as all things concerning this planet we share.> > Most humans of mankind souls do not realize this there consciousness is not with in the primeval centre mostly it is below the navel centre, there personality is located in the navel centre expression of manipura, This is the reflection of the higher self in which when the ego of the higher self is developed is of the mathuna of agni and bindu that in turn express itself through the heart.> Creation itself is not of this earth though comes though the deities of galactic space from the central sun eventually to our sun to our higher self (Primordial spirit self) that filters downwards to the gross physical.> > When we look into the eyes of a soul who is still in the developmental stage we might quite often intrude. The lower personality is full of err as the higher I or truer ego is under developed. Human frailties are already known or senced, many people do not wish to be confronted with them, Staring into a persons eyes is quite often a confrontation, So it is I believe. To know some one it is better to look into there heart as it gives them the opportunity to rise above their lower ego.> > Om main padmi hum, its the mantra concerning the goddess of compassion, she is the one that looks into your heart and shares her heart with you.> > Shakti pat is by chrism it begins to take place 9 days before the equinox until 9 days after, Have fun with it.> > In love> John .M> > > > > > > - > manig1979 > > Monday, February 16, 2009 2:42 PM> Re: Eyes open wide> > > Hi John> > What you say is beyond my understadning yet :)> > I thought the primal spirit dwells in the third eye, the true heart > of a person.> > http://tinyurl.com/bfv4f8 - The Secret Of Secrets Vol1> http://tinyurl.com/c58t5p - The Secret Of Secrets Vol2> > I have uploaded my photo for Shaktiapt and very curious about it. > Does this event takes place on a specific day?> > Regards> Mani> > , "JOHN. M" > <john.mathieson1@> wrote:> >> > Mani,> > The heart is the extension of the central universal sun, that > radiates to our solar sun, that radiates from my heart.> > > > Peering into another's eyes is most often invasive as it most often > radiates the personality of the soul, not all of us wish to relate > this way, feed back is sometimes like as if we put a microphone up to > a speaker all that is heard is a screech. Though the character of a > soul can be found by meditations of the heart. It is much more gentle.> > Om mani padmi hum> > John. M> > - > > manig1979 > > > > Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 PM> > Re: Eyes open wide> > > > > > And where does the heart dwell?> > > > , "Chris" > > <kundalini_awakening_teacher@> wrote:> > >> > > Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. - lol! -> > > blessings Manny> > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-> 1 , "manig1979"> > > <manigma@> wrote:> > > >> > > > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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, " JOHN. M "

<john.mathieson1 wrote:

>

> The mantras for the three higher centre's are said to be enteric,

there beja mantras are om.

> Agna is the personality of the higher self and its trigger point is

between the eyebrows. though the actual centre or position is just in

front of the pineal gland in the frontal lobe of the brain, The gray

matter or primordial section of the brain houses the pineal gland.

some refer to it as lalani chakra as it drips an intoxicant known as

ambrosia sometimes bindu or the fontanel is associated to it as it is

said is where the jiva of a new born enters the body through this

point. it is also said when the jiva departs the body it leaves

through bindu. Saraswarra the 1000 petaled lotus commonalty known as

the 7th chakra is also associated to the pineal in many cases.

> chidakasha to me is the viewable position of the akashic realm

which is entered though though the forehead and viewed from inside

out and is to me the link to the higher self during meditations,

Though the higher self is in continuous meditation and yes it is I

believe the 6th centre that brings the higher akashic realm down to

mental understanding. Some see akasic records as a large book and so

it seems some have described it as a library of books a nd such is

the anomaly's that the third eye brings down to the understanding of

the physical frontal lobe.

>

> I believe something is happening when you feel the movements at the

eye brow centre, and I have heard that in some people a pimple type

eruption takes place once the third eye is open or in use. though in

some people who have there third eye apparently opened it does appear

to show as a brownish reddish thumb print when looking at it with

peripheral vision. Though in others it does not so it might just

depend upon specific sadanas and individual markups that prejudices

understandings of the workings of agna.

>

> Lao Tzu I have been quite un familiar with his writings though at

fist to me was as clear as mud though I am finding the water is

clearing as the dirt settles. Thanks for showing me this idea and

sharing it with me.

> om namaha shivaya

> John

>

> -

> manig1979

>

> Monday, February 16, 2009 10:39 PM

> Re: Eyes open wide

>

>

> Hi John

>

> So the shaktipat by takes place from March 11 to 29, 2009.

I

> have marked this on my calendar :) Gotta be fit for the event.

>

> From my own experiences, I understand that the 'third eye' is an

> extension of the ajana chakra. Its the psychic seat of the

soul...

> the Golden Disc/Sun I saw in the dream. It is OM itself.

>

> So third eye is not the Ajana/6th Chakra but its extension (like

a

> switch). It is located in the middle of the forehead between the

> eyebrows. And from my recent experiences, it can be physically

> located/felt.

>

> I was not able to meditate from last few days (chilled water

killed

> my throat). But the kundalini was making a loud hum/vibrating

sound

> with my throat when I meditate. Like a loud O in OM. I sincerely

> believe the sound being made is to activate / link-up with the

third

> eye or 6th chakra. I don't know really, Kundalini knows :)

>

> I have read about the Shiva and Shakti union and what you say

must be

> true, but I have no experience of my own. But I do believe what

Lao

> Tzu says about the heart:

>

> WHEN MEN ARE SET FREE FROM THE WOMB, THE PRIMAL SPIRIT DWELLS IN

THE

> THIRD EYE.

>

> THE CONSCIOUS SPIRIT DWELLS BELOW IN THE HEART. THIS HEART IS

> DEPENDENT ON THE OUTSIDE WORLD. IF A MAN DOES NOT EAT FOR ONE

DAY, IT

> FEELS EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. IF IT HEARS SOMETHING TERRIFYING

IT

> THROBS; IF IT HEARS SOMETHING ENRAGING IT STOPS; IF IT IS FACED

WITH

> DEATH IT BECOMES SAD; IF IT SEES SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL IT IS

DAZZLED.

>

> BUT THE HEAVENLY HEART IN THE HEAD, WHEN WOULD IT HAVE MOVED IN

THE

> LEAST? DOST THOU ASK: CAN THE HEAVENLY HEART NOT MOVE? THEN I

ANSWER:

> HOW COULD THE TRUE THOUGHT IN THE SQUARE (THIRD EYE) MOVE!

>

> THE LOWER HEART MOVES LIKE A STRONG, POWERFUL COMMANDER WHO

DESPISES

> THE HEAVENLY RULER BECAUSE OF HIS WEAKNESS, AND HAS USURPED THE

> LEADERSHIP IN AFFAIRS OF STATE. BUT WHEN THE PRIMAL CASTLE CAN BE

> FORTIFIED AND DEFENDED, THEN IT IS AS IF A STRONG AND WISE RULER

SAT

> UPON THE THRONE. THE EYES START THE LIGHT CIRCULATING LIKE TWO

> MINISTERS AT THE RIGHT AND LEFT WHO SUPPORT THE RULER WITH ALL

THEIR

> MIGHT. WHEN RULE IN THE CENTRE IS THUS IN ORDER, ALL THOSE

REBELLIOUS

> HEROES WILL PRESENT THEMSELVES WITH LANCES REVERSED READY TO TAKE

> ORDERS.

>

> Just let the chitta evolve. Yo!

>

> love Om main padmi hum: http://tinyurl.com/bev2jv

> Mani

>

> , " JOHN. M "

> <john.mathieson1@> wrote:

> >

> > Mani,

> > Maybe though I always thought that the third eye is

rtraditionally

> thought to be located at agna centre which is associated with the

> pituritary gland. Please correct me if I am incorrect

> >

> > The primordial spirit of a mankind being to me is Shiva, father

in

> heaven, Sarraswara, Pineal

> >

> > The third eye centre agna is the female aspect of this the

> character the personality the translator and actor.

> >

> > this two when in unison, have need to be expressive, they need

to

> express love in and on the physical realm, and is the purpose for

the

> extension of the physical earth water fire air and the lesser

ether

> (throat) elements.

> >

> > As far as I am concerned the primeval spirit relates to our

early

> evolutionary substance that does not evolve only our

understanding of

> ourselves have evolved, The physical substance evolved from

spirit to

> gain conscious understanding of the universe we are a part of.

> >

> > I believe our evolutionary process here on earth is to transmit

> love this is the expression that the universal creator

transmitters

> downwards for us to come to relies and understand. This love is

> generally thought to be transmitted through our hearts in to

others

> as well as all things concerning this planet we share.

> >

> > Most humans of mankind souls do not realize this there

> consciousness is not with in the primeval centre mostly it is

below

> the navel centre, there personality is located in the navel

centre

> expression of manipura, This is the reflection of the higher self

in

> which when the ego of the higher self is developed is of the

mathuna

> of agni and bindu that in turn express itself through the heart.

> > Creation itself is not of this earth though comes though the

> deities of galactic space from the central sun eventually to our

sun

> to our higher self (Primordial spirit self) that filters

downwards to

> the gross physical.

> >

> > When we look into the eyes of a soul who is still in the

> developmental stage we might quite often intrude. The lower

> personality is full of err as the higher I or truer ego is under

> developed. Human frailties are already known or senced, many

people

> do not wish to be confronted with them, Staring into a persons

eyes

> is quite often a confrontation, So it is I believe. To know some

one

> it is better to look into there heart as it gives them the

> opportunity to rise above their lower ego.

> >

> > Om main padmi hum, its the mantra concerning the goddess of

> compassion, she is the one that looks into your heart and shares

her

> heart with you.

> >

> > Shakti pat is by chrism it begins to take place 9 days before

the

> equinox until 9 days after, Have fun with it.

> >

> > In love

> > John .M

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > manig1979

> >

> > Monday, February 16, 2009 2:42 PM

> > Re: Eyes open wide

> >

> >

> > Hi John

> >

> > What you say is beyond my understadning yet :)

> >

> > I thought the primal spirit dwells in the third eye, the true

> heart

> > of a person.

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/bfv4f8 - The Secret Of Secrets Vol1

> > http://tinyurl.com/c58t5p - The Secret Of Secrets Vol2

> >

> > I have uploaded my photo for Shaktiapt and very curious about

it.

> > Does this event takes place on a specific day?

> >

> > Regards

> > Mani

> >

> > , " JOHN. M "

> > <john.mathieson1@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Mani,

> > > The heart is the extension of the central universal sun, that

> > radiates to our solar sun, that radiates from my heart.

> > >

> > > Peering into another's eyes is most often invasive as it most

> often

> > radiates the personality of the soul, not all of us wish to

> relate

> > this way, feed back is sometimes like as if we put a microphone

> up to

> > a speaker all that is heard is a screech. Though the character

of

> a

> > soul can be found by meditations of the heart. It is much more

> gentle.

> > > Om mani padmi hum

> > > John. M

> > > -

> > > manig1979

> > >

> > > Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:35 PM

> > > Re: Eyes open wide

> > >

> > >

> > > And where does the heart dwell?

> > >

> > > , " Chris "

> > > <kundalini_awakening_teacher@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes but it is a mere reflection from the heart. imho. -

lol! -

> > > > blessings Manny

> > > >

> > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

> > 1 , " manig1979 "

> > > > <manigma@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The Lord dwells in thy eyes!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Namaste :)

 

But this is even worse. I can command them that way.

 

Few years ago when I was possessed, I started giving commands to other

persons by looking into their third eye, either from front or back.

They would become crazy / do stupid things. I hate it.... just hate

it and try not even think about it again.

 

Thx

Mani

 

, " jezzwhizz "

<jezzwhizz wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Look at the others forehead, the person you communicate with doesn't

> realise you are not giving them eye contact.

>

> satchitananda~jeremy

>

>

> >

> > Ommmmmmm

>

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How has your situation changed from those few years ago Mani? -

blessings and Namaste' - chrism

 

, " manig1979 "

<manigma wrote:

>Namaste :)

>But this is even worse. I can command them that way.

>Few years ago when I was possessed,

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Truth, mindfulness and bliss,

What a wonderful name, I had met Swami Satchidananda Saraswatti, (the one that conducted talks at the Woodstock Festival)

He was a wonderful soul and he presence could be felt from quite a distance. I did have an opportunity to have a one on one conversation with him, though in my youth I was much shyer than I am now. Looking back it is a disappointment and he is past on now and only on an off chance he might visit astraly.

 

Satchidananda would talk much about the Little i and the big I and would also teach that illness may come from use of the head centre's as well as the emotions though never from the heart.

 

 

In Love

John .M

 

-

jezzwhizz

Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:11 PM

Re: Eyes open wide

 

 

Namaste,Look at the others forehead, the person you communicate with doesn't realise you are not giving them eye contact.satchitananda~jeremy>> Ommmmmmm

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Swimming in the ocean

A never ending storm

Hard to meditate

 

But its easier back home :)

 

Wow... I just made a haiku myself!!! well, sort of :)

 

But I love this one:

 

Butterflies setting out

to cross the sea,

have disappeared: my self comes back to me.

 

heart

Mani

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> How has your situation changed from those few years ago Mani? -

> blessings and Namaste' - chrism

>

> , " manig1979 "

> <manigma@> wrote:

> >Namaste :)

> >But this is even worse. I can command them that way.

> >Few years ago when I was possessed,

>

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