Overwhelming - Sal

October 29, 2008

I will suggest first that you stop using psychedelics! If you indeed

have Kundalini and continue to use them that is the core of your

problem and issues. Kundalini doesnt mix well with recreational

drugs.

Nothing owes you a living Sal. Kundalini " by itself " will not cause

you to not be able to work. I have it and I work as do the vast

majority of the membership here. I live a very austere life this is

true and yet I still must work for that austerity even with the

generous donations from some who can give.

Kundalini is a blessing but its mixture with psychedelics is not a

blessing and as soon as you realize this and discontinue your

chemical entertainments the sooner your life will start to express

the joy and love that can come from the Kundalini.

You can have a look here:

http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/the-safeties.html

Practice these daily after you are able to take the psychedelics out

of your life and a balancing will occur for you. Please have a look

at why you feel the need to use outside chemicals for inner joy and

yoga and meditation as opposed to just doing these practices with

out any kind of chemical support.

Have a look at taking complete responsibility for your life and for

your work and if you succeed taking full responsibility. As well as

if you fail you can learn from that failure and not repeat it.

You can have Kundalini and a great life! Practice the safeties

consciously without drugs and begin to embrace the process of

accepting complete responsibility for who and how and where you

are. - blessings Sal. - chrism

, " Sal "

<lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

> I'm only 19, and my Kundalini has forced me to drop out of High

School,

October 29, 2008

Thou shalt not bear false witness!

But seriously, this is an open and honest forum, so please be understanding when

I tell

you that some of the things you said really pissed me off. Now, that doesn't

mean I don't

appreciate you or your advice(s), it's simply how I feel, it is merely the

TRUTH. All that

being said, don't be offensed by or take personally what I say.

" I will suggest that you stop using psychedelics! "

Why would you suggest such a thing, and who are you to suggest it? Core of my

problems and issues? LOL, you don't know anything about me or my body, and our

problems/issues! Yes, Kundalini and RECREATIONAL drug use don't mix well, and

that's

why I prefer the meditative use of drugs over the recreational. Learn more about

psychs

before you utter such notions. (By the way, I am mostly into entheogenic drugs

like LSD,

mushrooms, and mescaline, not stuff like speed, cocaine, or heroin). I don't

have the

resources to indulge; I've hardly done enough psychs to acheive a lasting

positive

change, let alone a negative. I've got NO $$$!

" Kundalini " by itself " will not cause you to not be able to work "

I know this, but the thing is, I can't hire myself! I can't stand the insane

fakeness of the

professional world, I literally absolutely CANNOT tolerate the madness.

Employers likely

sense this of me, so they don't hire me. Plus, I have long hair that, for

spiritual reasons, I

refuse to cut, and they drug test. I don't want to surround myself with a bunch

of sober,

short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. I can't stand

that

particular vibe, you know? I just want to live off odd-jobs until I graduate

from massage

therapy school, which I have yet to attend.

I dont us psychedelics merely for entertainment purposes, how dare you daw that

conclusion on me. My " chemical entertainments " are very few (in dose and

frequency),

and are NOT for " having fun " , and I already do experience love and joy, so I

find what

you said extremely insulting and ignorant.

Whenever I do get the chance to use psychs, it balances me out and fixes my

energies,

and the change is permenant; it's a catalyst for " spiritual progression " , as

opposed to just

fasting, yoga, and meditation, and boring old time. Of course, there are those

who can't

handle the speedy progression, and to those the advice you gave me may be

suitable.

Still there are others who just plain don't react well with psychs, for whatever

reason.

Don't assume that I'm either, or anybody; just don't assume things of me, so

far, you've

assumed ALOT of things that are plain false, like that I don't or haven't

realized that I am

responsible for my life.

I'm sorry, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that you're telling me

that I feel a

NEED to use psychedelics for inner peace and yoga, etc. Again, psychs are a

catalyst, I

use them like medicine, and the only reason I would " need " them is to speed

through and

out of this painful, stiff body in as timely a manner as possible. If you burn

your arm,

wouldn't you want ice right away? Yep!

Again, I don't mean to sound like an egotistical jerk, I'm merely expressing how

I feel,

uncensored, and I hope to receive a similar minded response.

Blessings,

Sal

October 29, 2008

I only call it as I see it. No hurt intended. Do as you will do Sal. -

blessings to you.- chrism

October 29, 2008

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> I only call it as I see it. No hurt intended. Do as you will do Sal. -

> blessings to you.- chrism

>

Same here. I didn't feel hurt, nor did I intend it. I suppose any negativity

stems from the

anger I experience when confronted by ignorance about drugs, nothing personal

whatsoever.

I honestly don't want there to be any negativity or lingering issues between us,

and that's

partly why I responded as I did. If you really called it like you saw it, then

you'd've

responded to the things I said (and not just the whole message in general)

became

October 29, 2008

Kundalini is a purifying goddess. I feel is right about not

using drugs. Do you feel that using drugs is ok? Can you stop the

drugs and try to do what suggested? See how it goes. The human

body has its own opiates that it releases often when we are in pain

or euphoric, and really no one needs to use drugs. They are man made,

so not natural. Kundalini follows a more natural path. The ancient

Indian Vedas were written centuries ago and they used drugs. But then

they realised that they didnt need them and could reach the heights

without them. Drugs damage the body also. Try it,Sal, and see...

CV

, " Sal "

<lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

> Thou shalt not bear false witness!

>

> But seriously, this is an open and honest forum, so please be

understanding when I tell

> you that some of the things you said really pissed me off. Now,

that doesn't mean I don't

> appreciate you or your advice(s), it's simply how I feel, it is

merely the TRUTH. All that

> being said, don't be offensed by or take personally what I say.

>

> " I will suggest that you stop using psychedelics! "

> Why would you suggest such a thing, and who are you to suggest it?

Core of my

> problems and issues? LOL, you don't know anything about me or my

body, and our

> problems/issues! Yes, Kundalini and RECREATIONAL drug use don't mix

well, and that's

> why I prefer the meditative use of drugs over the recreational.

Learn more about psychs

> before you utter such notions. (By the way, I am mostly into

entheogenic drugs like LSD,

> mushrooms, and mescaline, not stuff like speed, cocaine, or

heroin). I don't have the

> resources to indulge; I've hardly done enough psychs to acheive a

lasting positive

> change, let alone a negative. I've got NO $$$!

>

> " Kundalini " by itself " will not cause you to not be able to work "

> I know this, but the thing is, I can't hire myself! I can't stand

the insane fakeness of the

> professional world, I literally absolutely CANNOT tolerate the

madness. Employers likely

> sense this of me, so they don't hire me. Plus, I have long hair

that, for spiritual reasons, I

> refuse to cut, and they drug test. I don't want to surround myself

with a bunch of sober,

> short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. I

can't stand that

> particular vibe, you know? I just want to live off odd-jobs until I

graduate from massage

> therapy school, which I have yet to attend.

>

> I dont us psychedelics merely for entertainment purposes, how dare

you daw that

> conclusion on me. My " chemical entertainments " are very few (in

dose and frequency),

> and are NOT for " having fun " , and I already do experience love and

joy, so I find what

> you said extremely insulting and ignorant.

>

> Whenever I do get the chance to use psychs, it balances me out and

fixes my energies,

> and the change is permenant; it's a catalyst for " spiritual

progression " , as opposed to just

> fasting, yoga, and meditation, and boring old time. Of course,

there are those who can't

> handle the speedy progression, and to those the advice you gave me

may be suitable.

> Still there are others who just plain don't react well with psychs,

for whatever reason.

> Don't assume that I'm either, or anybody; just don't assume things

of me, so far, you've

> assumed ALOT of things that are plain false, like that I don't or

haven't realized that I am

> responsible for my life.

>

> I'm sorry, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that you're

telling me that I feel a

> NEED to use psychedelics for inner peace and yoga, etc. Again,

psychs are a catalyst, I

> use them like medicine, and the only reason I would " need " them is

to speed through and

> out of this painful, stiff body in as timely a manner as possible.

If you burn your arm,

> wouldn't you want ice right away? Yep!

>

> Again, I don't mean to sound like an egotistical jerk, I'm merely

expressing how I feel,

> uncensored, and I hope to receive a similar minded response.

>

> Blessings,

> Sal

>

October 29, 2008

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> I only call it as I see it. No hurt intended. Do as you will do Sal. -

> blessings to you.- chrism

>

Same here. I didn't feel hurt, nor did I intend it. I suppose any negativity

stems from the

anger I experience when confronted by ignorance about drugs, nothing personal

whatsoever.

I honestly don't want there to be any negativity or lingering issues between us,

and that's

partly why I responded as I did. If you really called it like you saw it, then

you'd've

responded to the things I said (and not just the whole message in general)

because slot

was discussed. I replied in the way that I did to incite a discussion between

us, not so I

can pour all my negative emotions on to you, only to be quckly brushed off.

I feel you've taken what I've said personally, and, again, that was most

definitely NOT the

intention. I hope you feel like having a discussion on the topic with me later.

Blessings,

Sal

October 29, 2008

Hello Sal,

I respect your choices and your inner guidance to do

those activities that you feel compelled to do Sal. I stand by my

first message to you and as we seem to be on opposite ends of the

spectrum on this I feel that it is best to allow you to go your way

and I will go mine.

We have exchanged some words and opinions and enough has been said

to determine how we feel about those opinions. We have blessed

eachother with communication. I am good with that. I feel no need to

further extrapolate on my assessment of your situation. And you have

made it clear how you feel about my assessment! - So lots of love to

you and perhaps you will fare better with another person who may

have more sympathy towards your situation and desires. - chrism

, " Sal "

<lonelyloredbird wrote:

I hope you feel like having a discussion on the topic with me

later.Blessings,Sal

>

October 29, 2008

Sal, Not trying to be rude but you are being a hypocrite.You are saying " Dont judge because you dont know " and then you are saying " I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober,

short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. " . So all shorthaired people are insecure? All sober people are insecure?. Mike On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:

Thou shalt not bear false witness!

But seriously, this is an open and honest forum, so please be understanding when I tell

you that some of the things you said really pissed me off. Now, that doesn't mean I don't

appreciate you or your advice(s), it's simply how I feel, it is merely the TRUTH. All that

being said, don't be offensed by or take personally what I say.

" I will suggest that you stop using psychedelics! "

Why would you suggest such a thing, and who are you to suggest it? Core of my

problems and issues? LOL, you don't know anything about me or my body, and our

problems/issues! Yes, Kundalini and RECREATIONAL drug use don't mix well, and that's

why I prefer the meditative use of drugs over the recreational. Learn more about psychs

before you utter such notions. (By the way, I am mostly into entheogenic drugs like LSD,

mushrooms, and mescaline, not stuff like speed, cocaine, or heroin). I don't have the

resources to indulge; I've hardly done enough psychs to acheive a lasting positive

change, let alone a negative. I've got NO $$$!

" Kundalini " by itself " will not cause you to not be able to work "

I know this, but the thing is, I can't hire myself! I can't stand the insane fakeness of the

professional world, I literally absolutely CANNOT tolerate the madness. Employers likely

sense this of me, so they don't hire me. Plus, I have long hair that, for spiritual reasons, I

refuse to cut, and they drug test. I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober,

short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. I can't stand that

particular vibe, you know? I just want to live off odd-jobs until I graduate from massage

therapy school, which I have yet to attend.

I dont us psychedelics merely for entertainment purposes, how dare you daw that

conclusion on me. My " chemical entertainments " are very few (in dose and frequency),

and are NOT for " having fun " , and I already do experience love and joy, so I find what

you said extremely insulting and ignorant.

Whenever I do get the chance to use psychs, it balances me out and fixes my energies,

and the change is permenant; it's a catalyst for " spiritual progression " , as opposed to just

fasting, yoga, and meditation, and boring old time. Of course, there are those who can't

handle the speedy progression, and to those the advice you gave me may be suitable.

Still there are others who just plain don't react well with psychs, for whatever reason.

Don't assume that I'm either, or anybody; just don't assume things of me, so far, you've

assumed ALOT of things that are plain false, like that I don't or haven't realized that I am

responsible for my life.

I'm sorry, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that you're telling me that I feel a

NEED to use psychedelics for inner peace and yoga, etc. Again, psychs are a catalyst, I

use them like medicine, and the only reason I would " need " them is to speed through and

out of this painful, stiff body in as timely a manner as possible. If you burn your arm,

wouldn't you want ice right away? Yep!

Again, I don't mean to sound like an egotistical jerk, I'm merely expressing how I feel,

uncensored, and I hope to receive a similar minded response.

Blessings,

Sal

October 29, 2008

Sorry, that lien should read " Dont judge me because you dont know me " .On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:39 PM, JiNN <jinnproduction wrote:

Sal, Not trying to be rude but you are being a hypocrite.You are saying " Dont judge because you dont know " and then you are saying

" I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober,

short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. " . So all shorthaired people are insecure? All sober people are insecure?. Mike

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:

Thou shalt not bear false witness!

But seriously, this is an open and honest forum, so please be understanding when I tell

you that some of the things you said really pissed me off. Now, that doesn't mean I don't

appreciate you or your advice(s), it's simply how I feel, it is merely the TRUTH. All that

being said, don't be offensed by or take personally what I say.

" I will suggest that you stop using psychedelics! "

Why would you suggest such a thing, and who are you to suggest it? Core of my

problems and issues? LOL, you don't know anything about me or my body, and our

problems/issues! Yes, Kundalini and RECREATIONAL drug use don't mix well, and that's

why I prefer the meditative use of drugs over the recreational. Learn more about psychs

before you utter such notions. (By the way, I am mostly into entheogenic drugs like LSD,

mushrooms, and mescaline, not stuff like speed, cocaine, or heroin). I don't have the

resources to indulge; I've hardly done enough psychs to acheive a lasting positive

change, let alone a negative. I've got NO $$$!

" Kundalini " by itself " will not cause you to not be able to work "

I know this, but the thing is, I can't hire myself! I can't stand the insane fakeness of the

professional world, I literally absolutely CANNOT tolerate the madness. Employers likely

sense this of me, so they don't hire me. Plus, I have long hair that, for spiritual reasons, I

refuse to cut, and they drug test. I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober,

short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. I can't stand that

particular vibe, you know? I just want to live off odd-jobs until I graduate from massage

therapy school, which I have yet to attend.

I dont us psychedelics merely for entertainment purposes, how dare you daw that

conclusion on me. My " chemical entertainments " are very few (in dose and frequency),

and are NOT for " having fun " , and I already do experience love and joy, so I find what

you said extremely insulting and ignorant.

Whenever I do get the chance to use psychs, it balances me out and fixes my energies,

and the change is permenant; it's a catalyst for " spiritual progression " , as opposed to just

fasting, yoga, and meditation, and boring old time. Of course, there are those who can't

handle the speedy progression, and to those the advice you gave me may be suitable.

Still there are others who just plain don't react well with psychs, for whatever reason.

Don't assume that I'm either, or anybody; just don't assume things of me, so far, you've

assumed ALOT of things that are plain false, like that I don't or haven't realized that I am

responsible for my life.

I'm sorry, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that you're telling me that I feel a

NEED to use psychedelics for inner peace and yoga, etc. Again, psychs are a catalyst, I

use them like medicine, and the only reason I would " need " them is to speed through and

out of this painful, stiff body in as timely a manner as possible. If you burn your arm,

wouldn't you want ice right away? Yep!

Again, I don't mean to sound like an egotistical jerk, I'm merely expressing how I feel,

uncensored, and I hope to receive a similar minded response.

Blessings,

Sal

October 29, 2008

Sal, if you don't mind me saying (and this is coming from someone who

thought the same way as you when i was your age bout 5 years ago,

without the kundalini) drugs, especially psychedelic, do give you a

taste of something far vaster than " normal " reality, it frees you of

compulsive thinking and there is joy, as long as its not a bad trip.

but there's a high price to pay, you fall below thought rather than

rise above. and invariably, you will always come back down. the drugs,

no matter what type, will never provide lasting change, in fact they

will delay change (which is why there is a desire to take drugs, to

escape present reality). but anyways, i'll tell you this, i've taken

many psychedelic drugs in the past, and none of them can compare to

the sweetness of Being, Presence, kingdom of heaven, Self, the Tao

whatever you want to call it. I have gone far beyond what any drug

could ever produce and the key here is, it's lasting change. i know

you think that you are the exception to everyone else, how your

unique, how your situation is different, but the truth is is that you

just don't know how special you really are, you're identified with a

false self image, ego (i'm using ego here as how Tolle uses it, i

don't know how chrism uses it yet), that always lives with fear and

wanting. When you finally let this false mind-made self go, and it

happens gradually, you will begin to rise above thought and see that

your first step into the Truth, the Truth of who You are, makes these

drugs pale in comparison.

Craig

October 29, 2008

, JiNN <jinnproduction

wrote:

>

> Sal,

>

> Not trying to be rude but you are being a hypocrite.

> You are saying " Dont judge because you dont know " and then you are saying

> " I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober,

> short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT ALL. " . So all

> short

> haired people are insecure? All sober people are insecure?.

>

> Mike

>

No offense at all taken, this is a forum where we help each other.

That was obviously an overgeneralization, and I am using an iPhone so excuse my

laziness. But to sociological trends is not only foolish, it's naive. Employers

look for a

certain type of individual, obviously generally the type that is completely

sober and has

short hair. Now, there are sociological trends concerning short-haired sober

individuals,

and the ones that DO follow the trend, I would be incompatible with, at least in

the job

paradigm. On a personal level, however, I may still be able to get along them,

if they are

willing to relinquish their prideful ignorance about drugs. Those that aren't, I

have

absolutely no reason to covet their company. I enjoy solitude anyways, so if I'm

even to

be around a person, I'd prefer to be around someone that I don't have to

constantly

debate with, especially when I know the facts.

To think my premise was that all short haired sober people are insecure is

ridiculous, and

the accusation itself feels like an attack. In any case, global human

consciousness these

days is indefatigably insecure and self-conscious, therefore, EVERY human is,

but

obviously at varying levels, dependent upon how " spiritually advanvced " one is.

Doesn't

being in the company of " unawares " make you feel uncomfortable sometimes? The

reason I even mentioned insecurities is to demonstrate that I don't like being

around

" unawares " very much. The hair and soberness were just details, details I really

don't care

much about, depending on the reasons anyways.

October 29, 2008

Very wise words Mike!

love,nicole

, JiNN

<jinnproduction wrote:

>

> Sorry, that lien should read " Dont judge me because you dont know

me " .

>

> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:39 PM, JiNN <jinnproduction wrote:

>

> > Sal,

> >

> > Not trying to be rude but you are being a hypocrite.

> > You are saying " Dont judge because you dont know " and then you

are saying

> > " I don't want to surround myself with a bunch of sober,

> > short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT

ALL. " . So all

> > short

> > haired people are insecure? All sober people are insecure?.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Sal <lonelyloredbird wrote:

> >

> >> Thou shalt not bear false witness!

> >>

> >> But seriously, this is an open and honest forum, so please be

> >> understanding when I tell

> >> you that some of the things you said really pissed me off. Now,

that

> >> doesn't mean I don't

> >> appreciate you or your advice(s), it's simply how I feel, it is

merely the

> >> TRUTH. All that

> >> being said, don't be offensed by or take personally what I say.

> >>

> >> " I will suggest that you stop using psychedelics! "

> >> Why would you suggest such a thing, and who are you to suggest

it? Core of

> >> my

> >> problems and issues? LOL, you don't know anything about me or my

body, and

> >> our

> >> problems/issues! Yes, Kundalini and RECREATIONAL drug use don't

mix well,

> >> and that's

> >> why I prefer the meditative use of drugs over the recreational.

Learn more

> >> about psychs

> >> before you utter such notions. (By the way, I am mostly into

entheogenic

> >> drugs like LSD,

> >> mushrooms, and mescaline, not stuff like speed, cocaine, or

heroin). I

> >> don't have the

> >> resources to indulge; I've hardly done enough psychs to acheive

a lasting

> >> positive

> >> change, let alone a negative. I've got NO $$$!

> >>

> >> " Kundalini " by itself " will not cause you to not be able to work "

> >> I know this, but the thing is, I can't hire myself! I can't

stand the

> >> insane fakeness of the

> >> professional world, I literally absolutely CANNOT tolerate the

madness.

> >> Employers likely

> >> sense this of me, so they don't hire me. Plus, I have long hair

that, for

> >> spiritual reasons, I

> >> refuse to cut, and they drug test. I don't want to surround

myself with a

> >> bunch of sober,

> >> short haired inscure people, that isn't my type of person AT

ALL. I can't

> >> stand that

> >> particular vibe, you know? I just want to live off odd-jobs

until I

> >> graduate from massage

> >> therapy school, which I have yet to attend.

> >>

> >> I dont us psychedelics merely for entertainment purposes, how

dare you daw

> >> that

> >> conclusion on me. My " chemical entertainments " are very few (in

dose and

> >> frequency),

> >> and are NOT for " having fun " , and I already do experience love

and joy, so

> >> I find what

> >> you said extremely insulting and ignorant.

> >>

> >> Whenever I do get the chance to use psychs, it balances me out

and fixes

> >> my energies,

> >> and the change is permenant; it's a catalyst for " spiritual

progression " ,

> >> as opposed to just

> >> fasting, yoga, and meditation, and boring old time. Of course,

there are

> >> those who can't

> >> handle the speedy progression, and to those the advice you gave

me may be

> >> suitable.

> >> Still there are others who just plain don't react well with

psychs, for

> >> whatever reason.

> >> Don't assume that I'm either, or anybody; just don't assume

things of me,

> >> so far, you've

> >> assumed ALOT of things that are plain false, like that I don't

or haven't

> >> realized that I am

> >> responsible for my life.

> >>

> >> I'm sorry, but the thing that pissed me off the most is that

you're

> >> telling me that I feel a

> >> NEED to use psychedelics for inner peace and yoga, etc. Again,

psychs are

> >> a catalyst, I

> >> use them like medicine, and the only reason I would " need " them

is to

> >> speed through and

> >> out of this painful, stiff body in as timely a manner as

possible. If you

> >> burn your arm,

> >> wouldn't you want ice right away? Yep!

> >>

> >> Again, I don't mean to sound like an egotistical jerk, I'm merely

> >> expressing how I feel,

> >> uncensored, and I hope to receive a similar minded response.

> >>

> >> Blessings,

> >> Sal

> >>

> >

>

October 29, 2008

Part of this path is tolerance, forgiveness and love towards others. Yes, there are "unawares" as you put it. But are we to look down on them and judge them? Where would that place us in the spiritual food chain?

Being around those who are still unaware may be uncomfortable, but it is one of the challenges we must face as we grow.

I sympathize with your situation and I hope that the way smooths out for you.

Sarita

, "Sal" <lonelyloredbird wrote: > No offense at all taken, this is a forum where we help each other.> > That was obviously an overgeneralization, and I am using an iPhone so excuse my> laziness. But to sociological trends is not only foolish, it's naive. Employers look for a> certain type of individual, obviously generally the type that is completely sober and has> short hair. Now, there are sociological trends concerning short-haired sober individuals,> and the ones that DO follow the trend, I would be incompatible with, at least in the job> paradigm. On a personal level, however, I may still be able to get along them, if they are> willing to relinquish their prideful ignorance about drugs. Those that aren't, I have> absolutely no reason to covet their company. I enjoy solitude anyways, so if I'm even to> be around a person, I'd prefer to be around someone that I don't have to constantly> debate with, especially when I know the facts.> > To think my premise was that all short haired sober people are insecure is ridiculous, and> the accusation itself feels like an attack. In any case, global human consciousness these> days is indefatigably insecure and self-conscious, therefore, EVERY human is, but> obviously at varying levels, dependent upon how "spiritually advanvced" one is. Doesn't> being in the company of "unawares" make you feel uncomfortable sometimes? The> reason I even mentioned insecurities is to demonstrate that I don't like being around> "unawares" very much. The hair and soberness were just details, details I really don't care> much about, depending on the reasons anyways.>

October 29, 2008

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> Hello Sal,

> I respect your choices and your inner guidance to do

> those activities that you feel compelled to do Sal. I stand by my

> first message to you and as we seem to be on opposite ends of the

> spectrum on this I feel that it is best to allow you to go your way

> and I will go mine.

>

> We have exchanged some words and opinions and enough has been said

> to determine how we feel about those opinions. We have blessed

> eachother with communication. I am good with that. I feel no need to

> further extrapolate on my assessment of your situation. And you have

> made it clear how you feel about my assessment! - So lots of love to

> you and perhaps you will fare better with another person who may

> have more sympathy towards your situation and desires. - chrism

>

> , " Sal "

> <lonelyloredbird@> wrote:

> I hope you feel like having a discussion on the topic with me

> later.Blessings,Sal

> >

>

The only thing that has been discussed is drug use, and that was a minor part of

my post.

There's still the issue of my financial situation.

But back to drugs, you can't possibly respect my choice if you don't even fully

understand

it. Don't you get it? LSD and mushrooms are CURING my body tensions and

emotional

scars. I don't care what they do to the rest of the 7 billion on this planet.

Now either you

are accusing me of being a liar, or you just don't believe my case is geniuine,

just like the

rest who have forced me into this situation.

Whatever is going on between us, obviously it's not settled. You said WE

expressed our

opinions, when all I did was tell facts (in relation to psychedelics, anyways).

Mere

opinions cannot suffice when discussing such phenomenon.

I feel no love at all coming from you through this post. What I sense is a man

who is

having his beliefs criticized and consequently feeling threatened by this,

resulting in him

shunning others. How can you call yourself spiritual or intellectual while

exhibiting such

behavior? You, as anyone else, SHOULD be sympathetic to my situation, and my

desires

are the same as everybody else's here; to get rid of these harrowing symptoms.

October 29, 2008

This is a really good point about the spiritual food

chain Sarita. It's like if Jesus and the Buddha were

hangin' around saying " Man, look at this a$$hole. How

many times you think he's gonna get born? " LOL! Man

that would make a funny comic. And I bet Jesus and the

Buddha could still get a kick out of that kind of

humor too. That's just the kind of open minded

non-judgmental guys they probably are. Thank god

there's not a spiritual food chain because if there

were we'd all be hopelessly alone.

Love,

Travis

--- Sarita <sarita1969 wrote:

>

> Part of this path is tolerance, forgiveness and love

> towards others.

> Yes, there are " unawares " as you put it. But are we

> to look down on

> them and judge them? Where would that place us in

> the spiritual food

> chain?

>

> Being around those who are still unaware may be

> uncomfortable, but it is

> one of the challenges we must face as we grow.

>

> I sympathize with your situation and I hope that the

> way smooths out for

> you.

>

> Sarita

>

> --- In

> , " Sal "

> <lonelyloredbird wrote:

>

> > No offense at all taken, this is a forum where we

> help each other.

> >

> > That was obviously an overgeneralization, and I am

> using an iPhone so

> excuse my

> > laziness. But to sociological trends is not only

> foolish, it's naive.

> Employers look for a

> > certain type of individual, obviously generally

> the type that is

> completely sober and has

> > short hair. Now, there are sociological trends

> concerning short-haired

> sober individuals,

> > and the ones that DO follow the trend, I would be

> incompatible with,

> at least in the job

> > paradigm. On a personal level, however, I may

> still be able to get

> along them, if they are

> > willing to relinquish their prideful ignorance

> about drugs. Those that

> aren't, I have

> > absolutely no reason to covet their company. I

> enjoy solitude anyways,

> so if I'm even to

> > be around a person, I'd prefer to be around

> someone that I don't have

> to constantly

> > debate with, especially when I know the facts.

> >

> > To think my premise was that all short haired

> sober people are

> insecure is ridiculous, and

> > the accusation itself feels like an attack. In any

> case, global human

> consciousness these

> > days is indefatigably insecure and self-conscious,

> therefore, EVERY

> human is, but

> > obviously at varying levels, dependent upon how

> " spiritually

> advanvced " one is. Doesn't

> > being in the company of " unawares " make you feel

> uncomfortable

> sometimes? The

> > reason I even mentioned insecurities is to

> demonstrate that I don't

> like being around

> > " unawares " very much. The hair and soberness were

> just details,

> details I really don't care

> > much about, depending on the reasons anyways.

> >

>

October 29, 2008

You, as anyone else, SHOULD be sympathetic to my situation, and my desires

are the same as everybody else's here; to get rid of these harrowing

symptoms.The fact

that you even says that shows that you don't believe what I'm saying; so much

for trust.

Above all you are not even paying attention to the details of my post. You're

talking to me

as if the drug use is a problem, but as I said before, I have not the resouces

to make it

one. You think I don't know that drug usage, as anything else, can come with

consequences? Is there anything in my posts that led you to think this of me?

Again, you are not spiritual if you refuse to have a discussion with me based on

all this,

not in the least bit. You think I'm stupid and that I can't tell what you're

feeling? I

obviously offended you, or else we would be having a conversation to get to know

each

other better if for nothing else. Please, do the spiritual thing and stop

shunning me.

- Sal

October 29, 2008

it's a sad case, to have to fight the world like this. i understand,

it was my heroic duty too. but what i didnt realize was that what i

reacted to most in another was also in me and i was making that

perceived " error " in character of the other person into their identity

and in so doing, cutting off the depth of their being as well as my

own, for what you see in the outer world is a reflection of your inner

world. when you apply a mental label to someone and believe that to be

who they are, then you limit yourself. and let me leave you with this

quote from eckhart tolle " words reduce reality to something the human

mind can grasp, which isn't very much. language consists of five basic

sounds produced by the vocal cords. they are the vowels a, e, i, o, u.

the other sounds are consonants produced by air pressure: s, f, g, and

so forth. do you believe some combination of such basic sounds could

ever explain who you are, or the ultimate purpose of the universe, or

even what a tree or stone is in its depth? "

October 29, 2008

That would make a good comic Travis! LOL I agree that they would get a kick out it too. Humor is a huge part of the spiritual path imo.

Sarita

, travis murphy <travisnelsonmurphy wrote:>> This is a really good point about the spiritual food> chain Sarita. It's like if Jesus and the Buddha were> hangin' around saying "Man, look at this a$$hole. How> many times you think he's gonna get born?"LOL! Man> that would make a funny comic. And I bet Jesus and the> Buddha could still get a kick out of that kind of> humor too. That's just the kind of open minded> non-judgmental guys they probably are. Thank god> there's not a spiritual food chain because if there> were we'd all be hopelessly alone.> Love,> Travis> --- Sarita sarita1969 wrote:> > > > > Part of this path is tolerance, forgiveness and love> > towards others. > > Yes, there are "unawares" as you put it. But are we> > to look down on> > them and judge them? Where would that place us in> > the spiritual food> > chain?> > > > Being around those who are still unaware may be> > uncomfortable, but it is> > one of the challenges we must face as we grow.> > > > I sympathize with your situation and I hope that the> > way smooths out for> > you.> > > > Sarita

October 29, 2008

what you're not realizing is that everyone is being compassionate

toward you but you won't accept it. you feel as though you are being

attacked, but you're not, the ego's in survival mode. the body cannot

tell the difference between and actual event and your thoughts, hence

your thoughts about how you are always being attacked because of the

way you are (and other attack thoughts upon yourself) makes your body

contract and cause a build up of tension. can you become aware of your

reaction and separate it from what's happening in the " outer " world?

can you be there as the witness to both levels, inner and outer? if

you can you will have stepped out of thousands of years of human

conditioning, this is a step toward freedom. just try it, feel the

emotion fully, allow the thoughts to be there but be interested in how

the emotion feels in the body. accept that it's there, don't judge or

interpret, just allow. see what happens after that.

craig

October 29, 2008

, " kundaflame "

Everything is allright.I was being sarcastic when I replied to Mike

and I said that his words were very wise.I hope he got the message.I'm

not here to judge you Sal and neither should Mike.We all learn through

our mistakes,we struggle,we suffer,we feel so alone it hurts and here

it's the last place we want to be but there's a light at the end of the

tunnel,it always is.Bless you ,Sal.May you find what you are searching

for and don't believe that everyone out there is against you.The pain

and suffering will pass,sooner or later.

love,nicole

<kundaflame wrote:

>

> it's a sad case, to have to fight the world like this. i understand,

> it was my heroic duty too. but what i didnt realize was that what i

> reacted to most in another was also in me and i was making that

> perceived " error " in character of the other person into their identity

> and in so doing, cutting off the depth of their being as well as my

> own, for what you see in the outer world is a reflection of your inner

> world. when you apply a mental label to someone and believe that to be

> who they are, then you limit yourself. and let me leave you with this

> quote from eckhart tolle " words reduce reality to something the human

> mind can grasp, which isn't very much. language consists of five basic

> sounds produced by the vocal cords. they are the vowels a, e, i, o, u.

> the other sounds are consonants produced by air pressure: s, f, g, and

> so forth. do you believe some combination of such basic sounds could

> ever explain who you are, or the ultimate purpose of the universe, or

> even what a tree or stone is in its depth? "

>

October 29, 2008

, " celticvoice6 "

<celticvoice6 wrote:

>

> Kundalini is a purifying goddess. I feel is right about not

> using drugs. Do you feel that using drugs is ok? Can you stop the

> drugs and try to do what suggested? See how it goes.

> CV

> , " Sal "

> <

Morality and dr & g use are no more relevant to each other than, say, morality and

eating.

It's only relatively recent that human beings were brainwashed against drugs.

There's no stopping drugs if I never really started. Everyone here is ignoring

the important

fact that I am too broke to be using drugs often, or at all, so I've done more

than my fair

share of " trying it " . They're also not aknowledging that I use PS & CHEDELICS for

MEDITATIVE purposes in order to permenantly relieve myself of these body

tensions,

and it WORKS!

Nobody NEEDS drugs. But I prefer to go through this Kundalini as fast ad

possible,

because is has MAJORLY hindered my life, and psych & delics speed things up. I

care

more about & in 1aden then some illogical moral system that guides me otherwise,

and

the minor health issues that MAY (but usually don't) occur from using m & scaline

and

m & shrooms (natural) and L$D (semi-synthetic) are WELL, well worth the risk, lol.

I could reach the heights without the psyche, but it's just much better and

simpler to

employ psyched & lics in my yoga ans meditation. Ancient Vedas didn't need drugs.

I am

not yet at that level and believe me, if I didn't have LOTS to gain, I wouldn't

use them,

and in fact, that is my goal.

October 29, 2008

ok, didnt read all the post, not everyone is being compassionate but

can you forgive them, can you allow them to have reactions as you have

had your reactions, can you go beyond reactions into a state of peace?

, " kundaflame "

<kundaflame wrote:

>

> what you're not realizing is that everyone is being compassionate

> toward you but you won't accept it. you feel as though you are being

> attacked, but you're not, the ego's in survival mode. the body cannot

> tell the difference between and actual event and your thoughts, hence

> your thoughts about how you are always being attacked because of the

> way you are (and other attack thoughts upon yourself) makes your body

> contract and cause a build up of tension. can you become aware of your

> reaction and separate it from what's happening in the " outer " world?

> can you be there as the witness to both levels, inner and outer? if

> you can you will have stepped out of thousands of years of human

> conditioning, this is a step toward freedom. just try it, feel the

> emotion fully, allow the thoughts to be there but be interested in how

> the emotion feels in the body. accept that it's there, don't judge or

> interpret, just allow. see what happens after that.

> craig

>

October 29, 2008

Hello Sal,

Welcome to our Group. You've made quite an entrance!

I've read your posts about financial problems, not

fitting in to the way things are in the workplace,

and all the rest. It sounds like the way you're going

about it just isn't working for you. I know how

frustrating that can be.

The members of this Group come from so many different

backgrounds and experiences. Its a wealth of information

to draw on. But it seems that before that can be of

any use to you, you may need to see that the way you

are going may NOT be working for you. Then will you be

able to see the value in all that may be offered to

assist in finding what does work for you.

If I'm assuming I apologize. Its just the picture

your words are painting. Whatever the case, if you are

interested in growing and balancing, you will find this

to be a warm loving family to assist and travel with you.

Welcome and Love,

dhyana

> > , " Sal "

> > <lonelyloredbird@> wrote:

> There's still the issue of my financial situation.

>

> But back to drugs, you can't possibly respect my choice if you don't

even fully understand

> it.

October 29, 2008