Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life

[Guest guest]

I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get

accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few

modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request.

Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as

much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting

about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We

have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

 

Denny

[Guest guest]

OMG Denny, how many posts are off topic? Singling out one person hurts

my heart.

 

dhyana

 

, " Denny "

<dennynorton wrote:

>

>

> I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get

> accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few

> modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request.

> Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as

> much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting

> about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We

> have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

>

> Denny

>

[Guest guest]

True. I don't have much to contribute about kundalini, so maybe I'll

just go to those other groups. Great attitude for a family. imho

 

Since I'm not doing well with this I will leave for a while. I don't

want to bring any negativity into the Group.

 

dhyana

 

 

> > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as

> > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting

> > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We

> > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

> >

> > Denny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The door is not closed to Paula and she can always return if she

wishes. Change can be difficult and change via the internet even more

so as it becomes more incumbant on the individual to actually make the

changes. She is welcome to come back if she wishes. - blessings all -

chrism

 

, " Denny "

<dennynorton wrote:

>I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people

get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a

few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple

request.

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps our group could use some healing and love at this particular moment.

Julie--- On Sun, 8/17/08, chrism <> wrote:

<> Re: Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:31 PM

 

 

The door is not closed to Paula and she can always return if she wishes. Change can be difficult and change via the internet even more so as it becomes more incumbant on the individual to actually make the changes. She is welcome to come back if she wishes. - blessings all - chrismKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Denny" <dennynorton@ ...> wrote:>I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. >

[Guest guest]

I wish Paula blessings, as well. Perhaps she can find a group where

she will feel more at home. Or return with greater focus on the reason

we are all here: Kundalini. I look forward to more in-depth

discussions about Kundalini issues and less of a chat-group

atmosphere. I agree with you, Denny, that it is not a lot to ask.

 

Blessings & love,

Claudia

 

, " Denny "

<dennynorton wrote:

>

>

> I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people

get

> accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a

few

> modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request.

> Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as

> much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting

> about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We

> have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

>

> Denny

>

[Guest guest]

@@@ I look forward to more in-depth

discussions about Kundalini issues and less of a chat-group

atmosphere. I agree with you, Denny, that it is not a lot to ask.@@@

 

I agree with you Claudia and Denny! It is best to stay on the

topic of Kundalini and that is why we are here. If one wants to

chat about other topics, they can go to a chat room and discuss

whatever. It is very distracting when other subjects are being

brought up all the time. Thank you for keeping the forum on track Chrism!

 

Kind regards...Angelina

 

--- " Claudia "

<newtfoodbowl wrote:

>

> I wish Paula blessings, as well. Perhaps she can find a group where

> she will feel more at home. Or return with greater focus on the reason

> we are all here: Kundalini. I look forward to more in-depth

> discussions about Kundalini issues and less of a chat-group

> atmosphere. I agree with you, Denny, that it is not a lot to ask.

>

> Blessings & love,

> Claudia

>

> --- " Denny "

> <dennynorton@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people

> get

> > accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a

> few

> > modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request.

> > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as

> > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting

> > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We

> > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

> >

> > Denny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ah...well...so much is being purged by this single event. Perhaps

because it's in such close proximity to the " smilesforme " episode. We

are being given a lesson here if we can take in the much wider

picture and see it. What is your K saying to you in all this? What is

our highest good here?

 

I share sadness at the loss of Paula. She had some brilliant insights

which made me look at things in myself differently but I do think she

was dealing with some confusion at where she was and what she wanted.

God bless her and hopefully she'll work it out and make some sense of

things. I hope she will rejoin us one day. I wish that rather than

humiliation it had just been about humility. I saw no shame or

humiliation here. Just questioning, some confusion, perhaps trouble

with expressing in words. Anyway, water under the bridge at this

point. What's done is done but not irreversible. says it's

time to heal, use the safeties. Absolutely. Into all things send your

Love.

 

And we have a conundrum with the staying on topic issue. Yes, this is

about Kundalini. But in the searching for information we also made

friends, in some cases good friends, and a sense of family has grown

here. I feel that is so rare in an internet forum! We don't have a

chat room or message board for chitchat but in any friendship or

family, daily life is discussed so it's hard to see how to get around

this issue and yet cultivate the sense that we ARE a family. Spats

also arise in families so, point noted. And yet we still love each

other. Of course! Can we accommodate both the educational as well as

the personal? Limited at least? I can't suggest anything here only

that it feels important to be more in depth in knowing people here

other than just their K experience as all things relate and are

effected by it.

 

I feel pulled by this, all of it. My little boat is rocking. I'll get

it stable again soon but writing was a part of that though I fought

it for a bit, the urge to purge was stronger. I'm feeling funny

things here right now but I know it is a lesson and this too shall

pass. Hopefully, we can see what is in it for all of us and get back

to the love and learning we came here for. Little storms, make life

interesting, keep us on our toes but not to put us off balance.

 

Forgive me if I've gone off topic or rocked the boat anymore. I

really send my love most of all, to all of you.

Valarie

[Guest guest]

Excellent points Valarie and please no worries about the off topic

issue. Yes dramatic weather makes beautiful sunsets. Storms bring

moister to plants and volcanos bring new soil to the surface. Let us

not fight the urge to purge. Let us clean ourselves inside and out

and still retain the conscious understandings and indomitable

strength of the Kundalini in process. We can adjust I feel to these

new dynamics.

 

Much of the upset is really a course in ego management. Why do we

respond angrily? What role is pride playing? How do we modulate our

responses in ways that are productive even when the ego is screaming

foul?

 

It is a good learning opportunity for all. -

 

 

 

, " Valarie

Vousden " <vjvousden wrote:

>

> Ah...well...so much is being purged by this single event.

[Guest guest]

At 08:35 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote:

Much of the upset is really a

course in ego management. Why do we

respond angrily? What role is pride playing? How do we modulate our

responses in ways that are productive even when the ego is screaming

 

foul?

Or, as my friend and mentor Ross Quinn would say - " It's not that

there are things happening that trigger me, it is that these reactions

are triggerable. " I challenge everyone who has an emotional response

- of any kind - to look at that response and ask yourself where else in

your life you react that way. Journal on it a bit. Share what comes up

for you. It could be extremely interesting.

My own reactions came and went so fast, they are hardly worth mentioning

<g> ... which is huge progress for me. I normally want to jump in

and try to " fix " everything, and recent events in my life have

brought home how this can actually be destructive - not only to my well

being, but to the one I'm trying to " save " .

Brandi

[Guest guest]

Dhyana:

What is this??? I know you feel like nothing you offer is K but step

back and take a deep breathe- you are here for a reason and your

support and encouragement means so much to so many - and the postings

that you have made are meaningful to me and others-

 

we are dealing with a difficult mode of communication- things are so

easliy misinterpreted- i am trying to learn how to stay detached as

much as possible so i do not get caught in the negative stuff -

 

i think the criteria stated for k topics has caused many of us

anxiety about posting - i already had anxiety and now i wander if

anything i have to say is k related - but you know i go back to what

chrism has said repeatedly - everything in your life now is k

related - so all that one need do is review the topic and make good

choices as to what one posts- somethings are just not going to be

appropriate - do i know what they are -NOT ---

i sometimes ask chrism if my topic is k related -

 

it seems to me there are many of us in an amplified status and this

can cause us all sorts of problems if we do not stop and look inside

 

my thoughts

e

 

 

 

 

, " novalees "

<dhyana wrote:

>

>

> True. I don't have much to contribute about kundalini, so maybe I'll

> just go to those other groups. Great attitude for a family. imho

>

> Since I'm not doing well with this I will leave for a while. I don't

> want to bring any negativity into the Group.

>

> dhyana

>

>

> > > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can

learn as

> > > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are

chatting

> > > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a

few. We

> > > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

> > >

> > > Denny

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I know you wrote this to Dhyana, but I am having a lot of

anxiety about posting right and have lots of times in the past as

well. It took me many hours last night to make a simple discision to

make a post. I have been in a state of turmoil all night and couldn't

sleep and feel sick today because of it.

 

I don't understand why chrism got on to Paula so harshly. The video

Paula was sharing was about this guys journey to enlighenment. To me

just the title of it points to K. How much more K related can that

be? There have been some videos posted here that to me didn't have

anything to do with K directly. Joseph Campbell doesn't say in words

that what he experiennced was kundalini, but anyone with any

understanding of K would see that it was what it was about.

 

I do know why this is affecting me so much and so strongly and I am

trying to work through it between the sobs. I have been very

emotional these last few days. Maybe it is just the moon. Or maybe

from having two 888 days in one month. Yesterday was considered

another 888 day by astrologers, btw.

 

Blessings & love to all,

Linda

 

 

-- In , " "

. wrote:

>

>

> Dhyana:

> What is this??? I know you feel like nothing you offer is K but

step

> back and take a deep breathe- you are here for a reason and your

> support and encouragement means so much to so many - and the

postings

> that you have made are meaningful to me and others-

>

> we are dealing with a difficult mode of communication- things are

so

> easliy misinterpreted- i am trying to learn how to stay detached as

> much as possible so i do not get caught in the negative stuff -

>

> i think the criteria stated for k topics has caused many of us

> anxiety about posting - i already had anxiety and now i wander if

> anything i have to say is k related - but you know i go back to

what

> chrism has said repeatedly - everything in your life now is k

> related - so all that one need do is review the topic and make good

> choices as to what one posts- somethings are just not going to be

> appropriate - do i know what they are -NOT ---

> i sometimes ask chrism if my topic is k related -

>

> it seems to me there are many of us in an amplified status and this

> can cause us all sorts of problems if we do not stop and look

inside

>

> my thoughts

> e

>

>

>

>

> , " novalees "

> <dhyana@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > True. I don't have much to contribute about kundalini, so maybe

I'll

> > just go to those other groups. Great attitude for a family. imho

> >

> > Since I'm not doing well with this I will leave for a while. I

don't

> > want to bring any negativity into the Group.

> >

> > dhyana

> >

> >

> > > > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can

> learn as

> > > > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are

> chatting

> > > > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a

> few. We

> > > > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula!

> > > >

> > > > Denny

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Linda,

 

I'm working on my dissertation right now and for the next few years

and I think something I'm experiencing may help here. Everything I

say in it has to be referenced to a book or journal article or

something that can be checked. It is a very unnatural way to write

and I always feel like what I want to say that comes from me gets

short shrift. Thank K we don't have the same standard to live up to here.

 

But when we talk about something here, I do think we need to tie it

back to the K, or we lose focus and the sitepat isn't built up. I

agree Campbell does talk about K and the whole mystical tradition

around it. But how many on this list have read him? If I were

talking about him I would say something from the video that connects

it to our conversation here. If I'm not familiar with it and it's not

explained then my response is to feel that a post like that is off

topic, in the same way that reading a paper without references doesn't

do much to advance scientific discussion.

 

I don't think was down on her for being off topic, so much as

he was trying to ground her enough to tie her posts into the K by

explaining what she was talking about. She has so much information

that she is trying to share, and it all connects for her, but it's

hard to follow without some kind of trail.

 

Sometimes we're all off topic, that's just part of the learning since

we don't know yet what all the connections are. I'm sure will

nudge us back in line. That's why we're students, not teachers.

 

Peter

 

 

 

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> Hi , I know you wrote this to Dhyana, but I am having a lot of

> anxiety about posting right and have lots of times in the past as

> well. It took me many hours last night to make a simple discision to

> make a post. I have been in a state of turmoil all night and couldn't

> sleep and feel sick today because of it.

[Guest guest]

Great post, Peter!

 

Claudia--- On Mon, 8/18/08, peter.nichols <peter wrote:

peter.nichols <peter Re: Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:51 PM

 

 

Hi Linda,I'm working on my dissertation right now and for the next few yearsand I think something I'm experiencing may help here. Everything Isay in it has to be referenced to a book or journal article orsomething that can be checked. It is a very unnatural way to writeand I always feel like what I want to say that comes from me getsshort shrift. Thank K we don't have the same standard to live up to here.But when we talk about something here, I do think we need to tie itback to the K, or we lose focus and the sitepat isn't built up. Iagree Campbell does talk about K and the whole mystical traditionaround it. But how many on this list have read him? If I weretalking about him I would say something from the video that connectsit to our conversation here. If I'm not familiar with it and it's notexplained then my response is to feel that a post like that is offtopic, in the same way that

reading a paper without references doesn'tdo much to advance scientific discussion.I don't think was down on her for being off topic, so much ashe was trying to ground her enough to tie her posts into the K byexplaining what she was talking about. She has so much informationthat she is trying to share, and it all connects for her, but it'shard to follow without some kind of trail.Sometimes we're all off topic, that's just part of the learning sincewe don't know yet what all the connections are. I'm sure willnudge us back in line. That's why we're students, not teachers.PeterKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Linda"<crazycats711@ ...> wrote:>> Hi , I know you wrote this to Dhyana, but I am having a lot of > anxiety about posting

right and have lots of times in the past as > well. It took me many hours last night to make a simple discision to > make a post. I have been in a state of turmoil all night and couldn't > sleep and feel sick today because of it.

[Guest guest]

I am pretty far behind on the postings, but I am sad to see all that is happening. I have a feeling that there is more going on here than some disagreements or off topic posting. Not sure what exactly, but maybe Shakti is working us as a group just as she does on us as individuals. Can we step up to the challenge?

As far as postings go, there have been a great deal of off topic postings over the past few months. It hasn't been one particular person and I don't see anything wrong with Chrism's expectation of staying on topic. I run a dream group and it got out of hand a few months ago too, with all kinds of spiritual chats that had nothing to do with dreams. As the group owner, I had to bring the group back to center and be a bit more strict about off topic posting.

My ten cents! I hope to see the family atmosphere back to being peaceful soon. Although, families go through their rough times too. It is one of the ways we show our love, by taking out the time and effort to work through our problems rather than throwing our hands up and quitting.

Sarita

 

, Julie <jewelport wrote:>> Perhaps our group could use some healing and love at this particular moment.> > > Julie> > --- On Sun, 8/17/08, chrism wrote:> > > Re: Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life> > Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:31 PM> > > > > > > The door is not closed to Paula and she can always return if she > wishes. Change can be difficult and change via the internet even more > so as it becomes more incumbant on the individual to actually make the > changes. She is welcome to come back if she wishes. - blessings all - > chrism> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Denny" > <dennynorton@ ...> wrote:> >I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people > get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a > few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple > request. > >>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps a separate chat group should be created so that those who would like to share and discuss OT things can gather?

Sarita

, "Valarie Vousden" <vjvousden wrote:> <We don't have a chat room or message board for chitchat but in any friendship or > family, daily life is discussed so it's hard to see how to get around > this issue and yet cultivate the sense that we ARE a family.

[Guest guest]

What you say here makes so much sense Peter! You really have a way of explaining things. I would like to see things tied in to the K, it is helpful for those who are not familiar with the topics to understand better.

Sarita

, "peter.nichols" <peter wrote:>> Hi Linda,> > But when we talk about something here, I do think we need to tie it> back to the K, or we lose focus and the sitepat isn't built up. I> agree Campbell does talk about K and the whole mystical tradition> around it. But how many on this list have read him? If I were> talking about him I would say something from the video that connects> it to our conversation here. If I'm not familiar with it and it's not> explained then my response is to feel that a post like that is off> topic, in the same way that reading a paper without references doesn't> do much to advance scientific discussion.>